More leaks from CSIS on China's interference in Canada

CdnFox · May 10, 2023

3 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Maybe because it hollowed out America by sending all the manufacturing and industrial jobs to China and elsewhere? Sure, jobs flooded in, but they're knowledge jobs meant for people with IT degrees in big urban centres. Globalism has been very good for Seattle, San Francisco and New York. Not so good for Michigan, Ohio and Illinois (except for Chicago, of course). You think middle America has turned to meth because of how great globalism has been for them?

By the way, the middle class in the US has shrunk from about 61% of the population to 51% over that period.

In fact, the middle class is shrinking all across the western world, and their share of income is decreasing.

https://qz.com/1592826/the-middle-class-is-shrinking-generation-by-generation

The middle class bears most of the burden of the more 'woke' policies, Higher taxes hit the middle class hardest. Consumption taxes hit them hard, Inflation hits them hard. Bad policy hits them hard. Pretty soon they fall out of 'middle' and into 'lower'.

In canada it's happening even faster.

Nationalist · May 10, 2023

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

well not hiring the liberals to run the place would be a start

But honestly - this is a problem that spans not just the feds but the provinces. the feds could provide strong leadership but in the end everyone would have to get on board. The towns and cities and muncipalities would likely have to give up some of their power - which the provinces can take back any time but there's a political backlash to that.

And even if we did all we could right now i think it would be a decade before we could right the ship, so any political party doing the right things would pay the political price today knowing that they won't be around for the political pay off later. Just like Mulroney paid the price for the GST - and Jean Chretien took the credit when it worked.

Well I think housing may not be our biggest problem. Last night my wife and I watched a movie documentary about the declining birth rate globally.

Not good news.

Nationalist · May 10, 2023

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

You mean like Desantis would run the country while Trump would sit in the back room getting in twitter fights with celebrities? Like that kind of team?

You can characterize it any way you like. The team would sweep the election in 2024.

CdnFox · May 10, 2023

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Well I think housing may not be our biggest problem. Last night my wife and I watched a movie documentary about the declining birth rate globally.

Not good news.

Yes, that's an issue as well.

But in the medium term, housing is going to be our biggest fight. Followed closely by other infrastructure issues such as lack of medical resources and education resources.

Check this out from a lower mainland hospital by vancouver - this isn't some small town this is part of the major metro:

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/dire-and-near-catastrophic-b-c-doctor-urges-patients-to-avoid-langley-memorial-hospital-1.6389932

when the doctors are telling you to avoid the hospitals because they're a disaster and unsafe, that's bad.

So when there's no where to live, there's no medical help for your family, and you can barely afford food, how long till people start to snap?

eyeball · May 10, 2023

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Well I think housing may not be our biggest problem. Last night my wife and I watched a movie documentary about the declining birth rate globally.

Not good news.

You can bet everything else that shares our biosphere just let out a mighty cheer.

Dougie93 · May 10, 2023

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So when there's no where to live, there's no medical help for your family, and you can barely afford food, how long till people start to snap?

has that not already begun in nascent form ?

these random stranger attacks from the gutters ?

a mother and her eleven year old child were stabbed to death outside their school in Edmonton

this sort of terrifying prospect is becoming routine

breakdown of civil order in progress

https://globalnews.ca/news/9682559/police-update-woman-child-stabbed-southeast-edmonton-friday/

CdnFox · May 10, 2023

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

has that not already begun in nascent form ?

these random stranger attacks from the gutters ?

a mother and her eleven year old child were stabbed to death outside their school in Edmonton

this sort of terrifying prospect is becoming routine

breakdown of civil order in progress

https://globalnews.ca/news/9682559/police-update-woman-child-stabbed-southeast-edmonton-friday/

They are related - but different.

One is the disintegration of the social fabric. That is a result of justin spreading division and hatred as a political tool, which drives up anger and discontent in the country to record heights, combined with new laws that allow violent repeat criminals back on the streets, and a few other factors.

Police aren't enforcing the laws as much - what is the POINT in arresting a violent offender when you KNOW he'll be back on the street laughing at you that afternoon. Recruitment and retention are down in the police forces and the people who DO sign up are the kind who generally speaking aren't getting into it for the right reasons,

But the housing crisis will lead to actual organized blowback. You'll get demonstrations an eventually riots and civil unrest. You'll get people demanding that other people's property be taken away and given to them. And there just won't be solutions.

Dougie93 · May 10, 2023

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They are related - but different.

One is the disintegration of the social fabric. That is a result of justin spreading division and hatred as a political tool, which drives up anger and discontent in the country to record heights, combined with new laws that allow violent repeat criminals back on the streets, and a few other factors.

Police aren't enforcing the laws as much - what is the POINT in arresting a violent offender when you KNOW he'll be back on the street laughing at you that afternoon. Recruitment and retention are down in the police forces and the people who DO sign up are the kind who generally speaking aren't getting into it for the right reasons,

But the housing crisis will lead to actual organized blowback. You'll get demonstrations an eventually riots and civil unrest. You'll get people demanding that other people's property be taken away and given to them. And there just won't be solutions.

as I say, merely in its nascent form at this juncture

these lunatic homeless males living in tent cities are starting to come out of the woodwork

CdnFox · May 10, 2023

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

as I say, merely in its nascent form at this juncture

these lunatic homeless males living in tent cities are starting to come out of the woodwork

Well that's true

Nationalist · May 10, 2023

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yes, that's an issue as well.

But in the medium term, housing is going to be our biggest fight. Followed closely by other infrastructure issues such as lack of medical resources and education resources.

Check this out from a lower mainland hospital by vancouver - this isn't some small town this is part of the major metro:

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/dire-and-near-catastrophic-b-c-doctor-urges-patients-to-avoid-langley-memorial-hospital-1.6389932

when the doctors are telling you to avoid the hospitals because they're a disaster and unsafe, that's bad.

So when there's no where to live, there's no medical help for your family, and you can barely afford food, how long till people start to snap?

Looks like they've already begun snapping. This "New Normal" thing is creating a societal nightmare.

Nationalist · May 10, 2023

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You can bet everything else that shares our biosphere just let out a mighty cheer.

So...you do hate the human race?

Dougie93 · May 10, 2023

32 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Most of the attacks are committed by males, although there have been a few rare instances of female suspects in Toronto.

In one such incident, seven strangers met on a social media platform and stabbed a homeless man. Interestingly, in this case, the violence was also perpetrated by women who had met on social media.

The fact remains, however, that the majority of violent incidents are committed by mentally unstable men.

The question then becomes, how can individuals defend themselves in such situations when Uncle Sam via law enforcement is not always present?

It is not a matter of physical strength, as evidenced by a well-known case in Hungary that I remembered where a large Serbian handball player engaged with a homeless man at a gas station. Despite his size and strength, the handball player was caught off guard by the man's drug-induced behavior and tragically lost his life, leaving behind a young wife. I know the story well as it was trending all over Europe. So, better hope for a more innovative Uncle Sam in the future, I guess?!

well the vast majority of these attacks are occurring in major urban centres

so in a practical sense, step one would be to move out of the cities into the countryside

Nationalist · May 10, 2023

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

well the vast majority of these attacks are occurring in major urban centres

so in a practical sense, step one would be to move out of the cities into the countryside

Its called the rat theory. We begin to murder our own when there are too many in a confined space. Add in a bit of Pixie-Dust et voila...angry and violent society.

Dougie93 · May 10, 2023

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Its called the rat theory. We begin to murder our own when there are too many in a confined space. Add in a bit of Pixie-Dust et voila...angry and violent society.

I have no fear for myself

I fear no man, only God

the only preparation for doom is grace

but I still have to protect my wife

and it is simply much safer for her, here in the countryside

eyeball · May 10, 2023

25 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

So...you do hate the human race?

Not all of it, and hate is too strong a word. I mean, you don't love the libbies and tweenkies do you?

Dougie93 · May 10, 2023

16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I mean, you don't love the libbies and tweenkies do you?

love thine enemies, Jesus of Nazareth said

hatred only destroys your own soul

CdnFox · May 10, 2023

20 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

love thine enemies, Jesus of Nazareth said

hatred only destroys your own soul

If you think Eyeball has a soul you may be setting yourself up for disappointment

Dougie93 · May 10, 2023

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If you think Eyeball has a soul you may be setting yourself up for disappointment

I walk with Jesus

feel good, do good, good things happen

miraculous things

blackbird · May 10, 2023

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If you think Eyeball has a soul you may be setting yourself up for disappointment

Everyone has a soul. The question is where is it going, heaven or hell? Only Jesus saves.

In spite of all Dougie's and my warts, we believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior which means we don't have to worry what happens in this world or the next. We will not be condemned when we leave for a better place.

Edited May 10, 2023 by blackbird

Nationalist · May 10, 2023

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

I have no fear for myself

I fear no man, only God

the only preparation for doom is grace

but I still have to protect my wife

and it is simply much safer for her, here in the countryside

I completely agree with that.

Dougie93 · May 10, 2023

Just now, Nationalist said:

I completely agree with that.

we agree on most things

I am your friend

I respect you, I would defend you

I simply cannot embrace your version of "Canadian Nationalism"

as I am Loyalist of Upper Canada

God save the King

CdnFox · May 10, 2023

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Everyone has a soul.

You have absolutely no sense of humour do you. Sigh.

Dougie93 · May 10, 2023

44 minutes ago, blackbird said:

In spite of all Dougie's and my warts, we believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior which means we don't have to worry what happens in this world or the next. We will not be condemned when we leave for a better place.

we simply have the zeal of converts

you were once a Romanist

I was once an Atheist

until Jesus came, like stranger in the night

Nationalist · May 10, 2023

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Not all of it, and hate is too strong a word. I mean, you don't love the libbies and tweenkies do you?

I must be able to "appreciate" all life. If I "hate" any people, it would be ANTIFA. IMO, the vast majority of "Libbies" are simply a product of a rotting, lazy, society...to be blunt...that has lost the need or desire to progress. Instead, I think, too many people have grown up in a world of disposable everything. My own kids included. This has brought about a base idea that the world is disposable...should be torn down in favour of some "new" matrix...forsaking any and all "norms" for attempts to make everyone "happy". A fool's errand essentially.

If you really wanted to benefit humanity, you do a small number of simple things.

1. Let the African/Sub-Saharan nations have an industrial revolution.

2. Untie the fossil fuel industry.

3. Stop telling farmers to not farm.

4. Quit trying to make everyone "happy". You're making most people miserable.

Nationalist · May 10, 2023

58 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

we agree on most things

I am your friend

I respect you, I would defend you

I simply cannot embrace your version of "Canadian Nationalism"

as I am Loyalist of Upper Canada

God save the King

That's perfect 'cause I'd have your back too.