How Chrétien’s gutsy call on Iraq put him on the right side of history

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

History is still unfolding, it's not static.

yeah, like Jean Chretien selling Canada down the river to the Chinese Communists

that's coming home to roost now

[Dougie93]

not to mention Jean Chretien's other great contribution to Canada

which was to break the Canadian Forces beyond repair

Jean Chretien attacking the Canadian Forces with the intention to destroy it

that's working out great now, Canadians can be so proud

[Dougie93]

oh and don't forget how Jean Chretien brought Canada to the brink of Quebec separation in 1995

to the point where they were flying the CF-18's out of Quebec on the assumption that the PQ was going to win

literally anything the Liberals did that made sense in the 1990s ?

that was Paul Martin

Jean Chretien was a disaster for Canada

[Dougie93]

the stupidest most ineffective yet draconian gun control

where the gangsters are all armed to the teeth, but law abiding Canadians are persecuted ?

that was Jean Chretien

speaking of the wrong side of history ?

the Somalia Inquiry

where the chain of command was not held responsible for ordering the troops to commit war crimes ?

that was Jean Chretien too

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

yeah, like Jean Chretien selling Canada down the river to the Chinese Communists

that's coming home to roost now

The Dark Side of the Force isn't stronger, it's easier, so it's no wonder most governments sell out to or cozy up to dictators, especially since the shiniest beacon on the planet for knowing better made it so acceptable to do so.  Again I have to say it's a real spectacle watching conservatives get all woke up to how bad dictators are for everything.  You people still haven't grasped just how pivotally disastrous Operation Ajax was in terms of influencing which path the world has chosen to follow ever since however.  Maybe you'll even wince when you do.

Truman appears to have had a real sense of how getting involved with interfering in Iran in such as cynical and hypocritical manner would bite America on the ass. Chretien appears to have had the same sense with regards to Iraq and fortunately for Canada he was able to act on it.

 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The Dark Side of the Force isn't stronger, it's easier, so it's no wonder most governments sell out to or cozy up to dictators, especially since the shiniest beacon on the planet for knowing better made it so acceptable to do so.  Again I have to say it's a real spectacle watching conservatives get all woke up to how bad dictators are for everything.  You people still haven't grasped just how pivotally disastrous Operation Ajax was in terms of influencing which path the world has chosen to follow ever since however.  Maybe you'll even wince when you do.

Truman appears to have had a real sense of how getting involved with interfering in Iran in such as cynical and hypocritical manner would bite America on the ass. Chretien appears to have had the same sense with regards to Iraq and fortunately for Canada he was able to act on it.

all Canadian patriotism is just thinly veiled self righteous anti-Americanism

Jean Chretien had no qualms about getting Canada into Yugoslavia

23 Canadians killed there

more than would have been killed in Iraq

since Canada didn't actually have any troops to send to Iraq

[eyeball]

27 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

not to mention Jean Chretien's other great contribution to Canada

which was to break the Canadian Forces beyond repair

Jean Chretien attacking the Canadian Forces with the intention to destroy it

that's working out great now, Canadians can be so proud

And thankful that we didn't have a military to join in on our allie's troublemaking efforts around the planet.

But now that conservatives are getting woke to how bad cultivating dictators is I eagerly await their plans for funding a couple of carrier strike groups so we can help rid the world of them.

[Dougie93]

Just now, eyeball said:

And thankful that we didn't have a military to join in on our allie's troublemaking efforts around the planet.

thankfully Canada still has enough Mounties to beat Canadians up in the streets for protesting

the purpose of the Canadian security state being to prevent any Liberal in Canada from being held accountable

 

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

But now that conservatives are getting woke to how bad cultivating dictators is I eagerly await their plans for funding a couple of carrier strike groups so we can help rid the world of them.

Canadian Carrier Strike Group is an oxymoron

[Dougie93]

don't forget Jean Chretien sending the CF-18's to bomb Kosovo in 1999

oh wait, NATO didn't have an UNSC Resolution for that

technically illegal, according to Jean Chretien 

Jean Chretien was the most totally full of shit Canadian in full of shit Canada

until Justin Trudeau came along that is

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Jean Chretien was the most totally full of shit Canadian in full of shit Canada

until Justin Trudeau came along that is

And I'm sure there'll be more to follow.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

And I'm sure there'll be more to follow.

I don't think even Canada could find anybody as stupid and dishonest as Justin Trudeau

simply saying that he is the worst PM in Canadian history doesn't even scratch the surface

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

no single Canadian has done more damage to the Canadian Forces than Jean Chretien

Jean Chretien was the Decade of Darkness

so by 2003, Canada didn't have anything left to send to the Coalition of the Willing anyways

It seems we help our own in Afghanistan. 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

It seems we help our own in Afghanistan. 

please

nobody throws its own troops under the bus like Canada does

the Americans lavish their troops with support while the Canadians are used as cannon fodder

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

It seems we help our own in Afghanistan. 

eyeball literally just stated Canada's actual doctrine

which is that Canada starves its own troops of support

in the hopes of sabotaging the Americans somehow

that is the true & twisted face of Canada

[Nationalist]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

eyeball literally just stated Canada's actual doctrine

which is that Canada's starves its own troops of support

in the hopes of sabotaging the Americans somehow

that is the true & twisted face of Canada

Doug...I know you're down on Canada, and I'm sorry you feel that way. But I can't.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

It seems we help our own in Afghanistan

I heard on TV that some Canadian troops were probably killed by roadside bombs because they had to travel in motorized vehicles instead of being transported by helicopter.  By far the most Canadian soldiers were killed by explosives (97) according to Wikipedia.  It doesn't say how many were by roadside bombs.  We don't know how many could have been avoided if they had been transported by helicopter instead.  It seems reasonable to assume a shortage of helicopters makes their job more hazardous.

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Doug...I know you're down on Canada, and I'm sorry you feel that way. But I can't.

bro, I'm just speaking the truth of it

my Canadian brothers are dead

simply because Canada sent them into high intensity combat, in jeeps

[Dougie93]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

. But I can't.

I'm not letting Canada off the hook

I'm not going to blow sunshine up Canada's ass

Jean Chretien said that all Canada does is "Peacekeeping"

therefore all Canada needs is some armoured cars & jeeps

then they sent just three rifle companies with those jeeps

into the heartland of the Muj, where the Soviet Army was decimated

[Dougie93]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Doug...I know you're down on Canada, and I'm sorry you feel that way.

of the 150 Canadians killed in Afghanistan

the vast vast majority were killed simply because they were poorly equipped

they lacked the armoured vehicles, they lacked the organic fire support

and Canada voted for that, over & over

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I'm not letting Canada off the hook

I'm not going to blow sunshine up Canada's ass

Jean Chretien said that all Canada does is "Peacekeeping"

therefore all Canada needs is some armoured cars & jeeps

then they sent just three rifle companies with those jeeps

into the heartland of the Muj, where the Soviet Army was decimated

I can't deny our military is a mess. But you are the dirt you came from and I came from the dirt of Canada.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

I can't deny our military is a mess. But you are the dirt you came from and I came from the dirt of Canada.

no

I don't believe in that

that is called "blood & soil"

that is the doctrine of the Nazis

I'm British

British is not a race, British is not a place

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I can't deny our military is a mess.

that is not an accident. that is not a mistake

that is the nature of Canada

Canada's fear & loathing of America

Canada's pathological self righteousness

creates the "Peacekeepers" myth

which then destroys the Canadian military

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

 But you are the dirt you came from and I came from the dirt of Canada.

even if I embraced "Blood & Soil"

that doesn't make me Canadian

ethnically, historically, I'm a Lowland Scot

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

even if I embraced "Blood & Soil"

that doesn't make me Canadian

ethnically, historically, I'm a Lowland Scot

You are the dirt you came from.