How Chrétien’s gutsy call on Iraq put him on the right side of history

[Dougie93]

Just now, Nationalist said:

You are the dirt you came from.

like I'm an uber Chimpanzee from Africa ?

[Dougie93]

37 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I can't deny our military is a mess.

the only men in Canada who ever cared about me

the only men in Canada who ever sacrificed for me

we're Canadian infantrymen

and Canada threw them to the wolves

the military is not a mess

Canada is a mess

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

the only men in Canada who ever cared about me

the only men in Canada who ever sacrificed for me

we're Canadian infantrymen

and Canada threw them to the wolves

the military is not a mess

Canada is a mess

Then it's time to fight soldier!

This nation has huge potential. It's time we unleashed it. Canada will never be a military power. But we should be an economic power.

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Then it's time to fight soldier!

I can't fight against Canada

I'm a Lowland Scot

we defend & uphold the British Crown

Canadians enjoy the protection of HM King Charles III therein

Parliamentary Supremacy gives Canadians the right to destroy their own military

it's like Army Guy says "Canada eats its own, our role is to be cannon fodder"

that is what it means to be just another face in the ranks of the thin red line

Cuidich 'n Righ

Edited May 2, 2023 by Dougie93

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

I can't fight against Canada

I'm a Lowland Scot

we defend & uphold the British Crown

Canadians enjoy the protection of HM King Charles III therein

Parliamentary Supremacy gives Canadians the right to destroy their own military

it's like Army Guy says "Canada eats its own, our role is to be cannon fodder"

that is what it means to be just another face in the ranks of the thin red line

Cuidich 'n Righ

Whatever. As a full blooded Canuck...I am Canadian. 

[Dougie93]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Whatever. As a full blooded Canuck...I am Canadian. 

there's no such thing as a "full blooded Canadian"

Canadian is not a race

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Whatever. As a full blooded Canuck...I am Canadian. 

Canada is nothing more than a war prize of the British Crown

Canada is a French country founded on 22 June 1603

which was taken by force of arms by the House of Hanover at Quebec

Canada is not a race, Canada is not a place

Canada is simply a system of governance

and an agreement therein

to keep the French in, the Americans out, and the Indians down

[Dougie93]

31 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

 But we should be an economic power.

that's not going to happen neither

because Canada is a failed state

the provinces do not trade with each other

the provinces only trade with America

the whole purpose of Canada being the opposite of that

it's not one big country, that failed to launch

instead, you have ten tiny countries all cutting their own deals with America

not to mention the terrian

Canada is too widely separated by the Canadian Shield

the logistics of Canada is never going to work

if you want to get from Ontario to BC, you don't go through Canada

you go through America

in 150 years Canada has only managed to build one thin road from Ontario to BC

if there is a mudslide, Canada is literally cut off from itself

the vast majority of Canada is uninhabitable wilderness

you're never going to develop that, because nobody is ever going to live there 

the Northwest Territories are never going to become Colorado nor California

and as a result, Canada's population is actually collapsing

Canada is not going forwards, Canada is going backwards already

Edited May 2, 2023 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

43 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

This nation has huge potential. It's time we unleashed it. Canada will never be a military power.

I do not advocate for more Canadian military power

eyeball has said it all :

the Canadian doctrine is to cripple its own military in order to sabotage America

thus, I would prefer to just disband the Canadian military

since Canada is only using it to nefarious purposes

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

I do not advocate for more Canadian military power

eyeball has said it all :

the Canadian doctrine is to cripple its own military in order to sabotage America

thus, I would prefer to just disband the Canadian military

since Canada is only using it to nefarious purposes

You believe eyeball? Oh you're worse off than I thought.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You believe eyeball? Oh you're worse off than I thought.

it's true tho

this is what Jean Chretien did

and it was wildly popular in Canada

I have no desire to join Canadians in being America's secret enemy

I don't identify with that, I'm with the Americans

not just morally

but since Ontario only trades with America, being with the Americans is my highest economic interest

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it's true tho

this is what Jean Chretien did

and it was wildly popular in Canada

I have no desire to join Canadians in being America's secret enemy

I don't identify with that, I'm with the Americans

not just morally

but since Ontario only trades with America, being with the Americans is my highest economic interest

Canada has to be autonomous. Perhaps a PM with a backbone will do better than this twit we have frolicking in the Parliament now?

[Dougie93]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Canada has to be autonomous.

that would be suicidal

Canada couldn't run a gangbang in a whorehouse without America planning,  executing and funding it

Canadian Confederation is too inherently dysfunctional to be autonomous

hence why Canada has never been autonmous

Canada was a collection of British colonies

which have made themselves into American colonies, just to survive

[Dougie93]

18 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

 Perhaps a PM with a backbone will do better than this twit we have frolicking in the Parliament now?

see, it's not so much that I am "down" on Canada

I simply recognize & acknowledge Canada for what it is

and frankly, dysfunctional Canadian Confederation simply does not inspire patriotic fervour

I didn't join the Canadian military to fight for Canada, I joined to fight for my British Queen

yet, I'm not interested in fighting against Canada, I'm not trying to force Canada to be something that it is not

whereas you are trying to make Canada into something that it cannot be

thus Canada will never give you satisfaction

I am perfectly content to be a former British colony now colony of America

because I'm British, and I love America, and the Americans pay well

I am living the American dream, the dream home on the dream property

and that's all being paid for by the Americans

being an American colony is actually a great deal, best of both worlds

it is literally the entire economy of Ontario

and I don't see many Ontarians saying that they want out

pretty much every company I work for, 80% of our customers are Americans

that's the Canadian way, that is the only way how Canada functions

Edited May 2, 2023 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

29 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Canada has to be autonomous.

it's like the Freedom Convoy

I supported them, Canadian decorated veterans calling for my assistance, stand to

but as soon as they tried to block the border ?

I knew it was over then

I knew martial law would be coming next, stand by for the Mountie convoy

I think they made their point

none the less, if you're going to try to block the border ?

you'd have to go all the way, overthrow the government itself

and I knew Canadian decorated veterans were not going to do that

there is no autonomous, Canada is totally dependant on access to America

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

 Canada will never be a military power.

there's a saying that goes "only the Hegemons have foreign policies"

what it means is, only great military powers are autonomous

everybody else must render unto Caesar

so Canada got away with avoiding the initial invasion of Iraq

and really, I think Washington realized that Canada didn't have anything to contribute anyways

but Canada could not defy American foreign policy itself

Canada had to go to Afghanistan, no questions asked

but ultimately. Canada ended up in Iraq too

the longest sniper kill in history, JTF-2 in Mosul Iraq

Canada did not avoid Iraq, Canada only deferred its entry temporarily

basically, Canada could do Afghanistan or Iraq, but not both at the same time

everything else was just anti-American grandstanding

Chretien pandering to the Liberal base

the idea that it was some moral legalistic stand is complete & total bullshit

since Chretien had been perfectly willing to bomb Kosovo without an UNSC resolution

the idea that Chretien was trying to save Canada from a quagmire ?

also bullshit, since he had Canada deep into the worse quagmire in Afghanistan already

the Iraq War was the successful war;  Iraq is a functioning democracy holding elections

Afghanistan was the massive failure with the catastrophic ending

Edited May 2, 2023 by Dougie93

[Nationalist]

19 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

there's a saying that goes "only the Hegemons have foreign policies"

what it means is, only great military powers are autonomous

everybody else must render unto Caesar

so Canada got away with avoiding the initial invasion of Iraq

and really, I think Washington realized that Canada didn't have anything to contribute anyways

but Canada could not defy American foreign policy itself

Canada had to go to Afghanistan, no questions asked

but ultimately. Canada ended up in Iraq too

the longest sniper kill in history, JTF-2 in Mosul Iraq

Canada did not avoid Iraq, Canada only deferred its entry temporarily

basically, Canada could do Afghanistan or Iraq, but not both at the same time

everything else was just anti-American grandsatnding

Chretien pandering to the Liberal base

the idea that it was some moral legalistic stand is complete & total bullshit

since Chretien had been perfectly willing to bomb Kosovo without an UNSC resolution

the idea that Chretien was trying to save Canada from a quagmire ?

also bullshit, since he had Canada deep into the worse quagmire in Afghanistan already

the Iraq War was the successful war;  Iraq is a functioning democracy holding elections

Afghanistan was the massive failure with the catastrophic ending

I really am sorry you feel this way. Canada will never have a powerful military. We simply don't have the need for one. What we need, is for Pixie-Dust to be removed from power and someone with a brain to take the reigns and unleash Canadian natural resources.

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I really am sorry you feel this way.

why ?

what bother is it to you ?

I can't be a pro-America British North American in Ontario ?

whats the harm ?

 

[Dougie93]

20 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

 take the reigns and unleash Canadian natural resources.

but Canada has the Dutch Disease

massive resource development in the West is not in Ontario's interests

we are industrial exporters to the USA

so a high petro dollar doesn't benefit us, it harms Ontario's economy

again, the provinces don't trade with each other

we don't work for Alberta, we work for the Americans

Alberta's oil is not coming to Ontario, it's going to America

Alberta doesn't work for us, Alberta works for the Americans

when the petro dollar is up, Alberta is booming, Ontario stagnates

when the petro dollar goes down, Ontario booms, Alberta busts

Canada can never be what you want it to be, because Canada is in conflict with itself

what is good for the East is bad for the West

what is good for the West is bad for the East

Edited May 2, 2023 by Dougie93

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

eyeball literally just stated Canada's actual doctrine

which is that Canada starves its own troops of support

in the hopes of sabotaging the Americans somehow

that is the true & twisted face of Canada

Well hold on now. In the case of Iran it was Britain that talked America into becoming a twisted caricature of the face it was presenting to the world. I simply said it was our good fortune that we didn't have the wherewithal to squander our own good face and follow them.

[Nationalist]

15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

why ?

what bother is it to you ?

I can't be a pro-America British North American in Ontario ?

whats the harm ?

 

No harm really. I just think its sad.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

No harm really. I just think its sad.

don't get too emotionally attached to Canada

it's not a metaphysical thing, Canada is not an idea, Canada is not a religion

Canada is just an agreement, a business arrangement in fact

and that arrangement is not between the provinces

the arrangement is with the Americans, each province cutting its own deal

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Well hold on now. In the case of Iran it was Britain that talked America into becoming a twisted caricature of the face it was presenting to the world. I simply said it was our good fortune that we didn't have the wherewithal to squander our own good face and follow them.

what good face ?

Canada itself has officially declared Canada to be a "genocidal white supremacist" enterprise

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

don't get too emotionally attached to Canada

it's not a metaphysical thing, Canada is not an idea, Canada is not a religion

Canada is just an agreement, a business arrangement in fact

and that arrangement is not between the provinces

the arrangement is with the Americans, each province cutting its own deal

Geez...you sure you wouldn't be happier living in the USA?

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

British is not a race, British is not a place

It was a mess that spilled around the globe and left a stubborn stain that is proving hard to remove.

We're obviously going to have to live with it now but that shouldn't come at the expense of creating new messes.