How to defeat the Federal Liberals so Poilievre can become PM

[August1991]

On 4/22/2023 at 8:15 AM, myata said:

Canada is heading for a public budget crunch and that's a fact and only a matter of time. Now, when it happens not if there will the be time for austerity and tightening the belts, for the common betterment.

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Disagree very strongly. We are not in debt.

The US? Look at the monetary history of the two countries.

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In ethical affairs, Canada is largely a Catholic country - I'm a victim. The US is Protestant - it's my fault.

Protestants speak directly to God. Catholics speak through their Priest.

[August1991]

On 4/22/2023 at 3:30 AM, CdnFox said:

"Ahhh" said the Sun, "this morning i was in the east.  This evening I'm in the west."

Pierre Trudeau was a federalist.

Like Elizabeth II, he married and had children with a woman from western Canada.

[August1991]

But to get back to my point:

Justin Trudeau is a hypocrite. This is how Poilievre will defeat him.

[Dougie93]

21 minutes ago, August1991 said:

In ethical affairs, Canada is largely a Catholic country - I'm a victim. The US is Protestant - it's my fault.

Protestants speak directly to God. Catholics speak through their Priest.

Canada is not just Protestant, Canada is Ulster Scots Protestant

the Supremacy of God & the rule of law by a Westminster Parliament

founded by William Prince of Orange on the banks of the Boyne River, 1 July 1690

then onto the Plains of Abraham, 13 September 1759

then the Fenians are repulsed, 2 June 1866

leading to Confederation, 1 July 1867

no man nor office between Canadians & the Almighty

Glorious Revolution

Je me souviens

[Dougie93]

On 4/21/2023 at 9:17 PM, August1991 said:

Strongly disagree.

The federal Liberals - Canada - have preserved a greater concept: a federal civilized State.

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Make no mistake: we Canadians get along.

 

that's not the Liberals anymore

that's just a facade for Xi Jinping & the Red Chinese in Beijing

Potemkin Village

come all ye bold Canadians

rally to the Colours

[August1991]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Canada is not just Protestant, Canada is Ulster Scots Protestant

Disagree very, very strongly.

True, French Canada is Catholic. But even English Canada is Catholic.

The first premier of Ontario was Catholic.

And, the first federal Catholic PM was Conservative - elected in 1893 - John Thompson.

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We Canadians have a long history of voting outside our tribe.

  

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Disagree very, very strongly.

True, French Canada is Catholic. But even English Canada is Catholic.

The first premier of Ontario was Catholic.

And, the first federal Catholic PM was Conservative - elected in 1893 - John Thompson.

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We Canadians have a long history of voting outside our tribe.

  

French Canada is not even Catholic anymore

the Revolution Tranquille overthrew Papist rule in Quebec

French Canada has no fealty to the Pope in Rome

the only thing empowering the Quebecois is the British North America Act 1867

that separate relationship with the British Crown is their bulwark against Federalism

provided by the Lowland Scots Protestants, led by General Wolfe against the Romanist tyrant Bourbon

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Disagree very, very strongly.

led by General Wolfe to Acadia

to make it Nova Scotia

led by General Wolfe to Nouvelle France

to make it British North America

Treaty of Paris 1763

the birth of the British Empire, at Quebec

Victoria Patricia

[August1991]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

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Treaty of Paris 1763

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Dougie.

Disagree, strongly.

There were two treaties to end the Seven Years War:

The Treaty of Hubertusberg: An intriguing hunting palace now in once was East Germany. I have seen.

The Treaty of Fontainebleau: I have never been to it.

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This war was between Prussia and Austria.  

[August1991]

We were collateral damage.

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Dougie.

Disagree, strongly.

There were two treaties to end the Seven Years War:

The Treaty of Hubertusberg: An intriguing hunting palace now in once was East Germany. I have seen.

The Treaty of Fontainebleau: I have never been to it.

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This war was between Prussia and Austria.  

Treaty of Paris 1763 leads to the Royal Proclamation of 1763, which leads to the Quebec Act 1774

then the House of Bourbon itself is overthrown in 1789

meaning that French Canada has only existed ever since

as an institution of the Ulster Scots Protestant House of Orange

[Dougie93]

13 minutes ago, August1991 said:

We were collateral damage.

you are not the French Republic and never were

Quebec is British and only British

the most British place in Canada in fact

still governed by the British North America Act

birthplace of the British Empire itself, upon the Plains of Abraham

[August1991]

Dougie,

We people in Canada?

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Like you Americans, we people in Canada have found a different way for people to live together.  

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Dougie,

We people in Canada?

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Like you Americans, we people in Canada have found a different way for people to live together.  

nobody in Canada reports to the people in Canada

like some immigrant who just fell off the cabbage boat and got handed a passport

I don't report to him

as Canada is a monarchy under the rule of the British Crown

I only report to Regiment, Colours & Commander-in-Chief

Victoria Regina Imperatrix : Pro Patria

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Like you Americans, we people in Canada have found a different way for people to live together.  

"we the people" is the American paradigm

that is fundamentally un-Canadian therein

Canada is the bulwark against such American republicanism

Canada is inherently the rejection of said public rule, in the foundation of the Constitution Act, to include 1982

[Zeitgeist]

This is the heart of the problem now: The Canadian government has turned on Canada, decrying it as colonial-genocidal-patriarchal-racist.  There’s almost an elitist contempt in Ottawa towards Canadian blue collar workers and farmers, as we saw when the Emergencies Act was declared last year. Only America seems willing to protect Canada now.  In fact only a faction of the US is willing to fend off the communists and nihilists.  I’d say it’s the Republicans and not the Democrats, but that’s an oversimplification, as many of the Republicans are also selling out the US and Canada to internationalist interests.

I think it’s more about the grassroots versus the deep state-globalists.  The grassroots are most rural folk and immigrants who came here for freedom and to work hard to have a better life. They’re family-oriented and generally more conservative, though progressive in the important ways, such as being tolerant and community-oriented.

The spirits of Canada and America are alive in them. There’s even a segment of the Democrats who genuinely stand up for the workers, probably most common now among the RFK Jr. supporters and some of the former Bernie supporters.

I’m not sure if there will be a political breakthrough in Canada against the Liberal-NDP.  Canadians have been conditioned into fearing political alternatives to the “natural ruling party”, which by and large renders Canada a de facto one party system that’s anti-democratic.

Edited April 26, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[OftenWrong]

The federalis assume they are going to be replaced sooner or later, so now they are starting to really milk the system dry before they go. You're going to see more and more drastic things come out, as progressive Justin wants to impress the world. And a little payola to some of his friends in high places is a pretty good thing too. 

There's nothing you can do, since he can hold off on the election until the law demands it, which is technically never as far as I know. There is no law. (?) Just a tradition. Canada's democrazy...   But with the support of Jagmeet Singh he can hold off for a long, long time.

Canadians might shitcan Trudeau, but maybe not. He should have went the last time, after those scandals came out and yet here he still is.

Next up legalize drugs, prostitution, and all the young guys will love you forever baby. They know they're gettin Trudeau pussay.

[myata]

4 hours ago, August1991 said:

We are not in debt.

Whoa! Talk about blindness and the deeper you get the better it works!

"The total stock of market debt is projected to reach $1,319 billion by the end of 2023-24 (Table A2. 3). Sources: Bank of Canada; Department of Finance Canada calculations. Note: Numbers may not add due to rounding"

[CdnFox]

Just now, myata said:

Whoa! Talk about blindness and the deeper you get the better it works!

"The total stock of market debt is projected to reach $1,319 billion by the end of 2023-24 (Table A2. 3). Sources: Bank of Canada; Department of Finance Canada calculations. Note: Numbers may not add due to rounding"

That's federal.  You forgot the provincial debts too. There's only one taxpayer so we're on the hook for both. so you can double that again.

For 2021 (the fiscal year ending 31 March 2022), the market value of gross debt was $2,942 billion ($76,135 per capita) for the consolidated Canadian general government – federal, plus provincial, territorial and local governments (PTLGs) combined.^[3] As a ratio of GDP, gross debt was 117.2% (GDP was $2,510 billion in 2021^[4]), down from 130.0% in 2020, the highest level ever recorded, but significantly above the pre-pandemic level (105.6% in 2019).^[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_public_debt

[Zeitgeist]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That's federal.  You forgot the provincial debts too. There's only one taxpayer so we're on the hook for both. so you can double that again.

For 2021 (the fiscal year ending 31 March 2022), the market value of gross debt was $2,942 billion ($76,135 per capita) for the consolidated Canadian general government – federal, plus provincial, territorial and local governments (PTLGs) combined.^[3] As a ratio of GDP, gross debt was 117.2% (GDP was $2,510 billion in 2021^[4]), down from 130.0% in 2020, the highest level ever recorded, but significantly above the pre-pandemic level (105.6% in 2019).^[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_public_debt

Canada always justifies its mismanagement by pointing at US debt levels, but we forget that the US dollar, as the international reserve currency, is a huge safeguard for commodity and other prices for Americans.  Their military can also tilt geopolitical affairs in their own favour.  Canada is utterly dependent on the US for defence and for the US market for its economy.

The big hard truth is that all Western governments must follow the IMF and Bank of Settlements’ script on a range of issues, from public health to economic development. The range of choices is narrow. Any country that steps too far outside the lines is turned into Venezuela.

Edited April 26, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Canada always justifies its mismanagement by pointing at US debt levels, but we forget that the US dollar, as the international reserve currency, is a huge safeguard for commodity and other prices for Americans.  Their military can also tilt geopolitical affairs in their own favour.  Canada is utterly dependent on the US for defence and for the US market for its economy.

The big hard truth is that all Western governments must follow the IMF and Bank of Settlements’ script on a range of issues, from public health to economic development.  The range of choices is narrow.  Any country that steps too far outside the lines is turned into Venezuela.

There's truth in that to a degree but at the end of the day there is no justification for our current debt levels.  As you note the US can get away with their psychotic debt to gdp because they have an anchor currency. We do not. And our debt to gdp has almost doubled - going from a low that was the envy of the world to an upper middle thats'  dangerous and which will hold us back significnatly. And we're not done yet - trudeau is still borrowing.  He's hoping flooding the country wiht immigrants will keep ahead of that but that's a pyramid scheme. It fails eventually.

[Zeitgeist]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There's truth in that to a degree but at the end of the day there is no justification for our current debt levels.  As you note the US can get away with their psychotic debt to gdp because they have an anchor currency. We do not. And our debt to gdp has almost doubled - going from a low that was the envy of the world to an upper middle thats'  dangerous and which will hold us back significnatly. And we're not done yet - trudeau is still borrowing.  He's hoping flooding the country wiht immigrants will keep ahead of that but that's a pyramid scheme. It fails eventually.

Yup, and “targeted spending” is just more spending    

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yup, and “targeted spending” is just more spending    

True. It's the economic equivalent of 'just the tip, i promise'.

[August1991]

On 4/25/2023 at 9:10 PM, Dougie93 said:

Canada is not just Protestant, Canada is Ulster Scots Protestant

America is largely Lutheran Protestant. But Canada is largely Catholic - or Presbyterian.

I generalise. 

[August1991]

On 4/25/2023 at 11:57 PM, Zeitgeist said:

This is the heart of the problem now: The Canadian government has turned on Canada, decrying it as colonial-genocidal-patriarchal-racist.  There’s almost an elitist contempt in Ottawa towards...

Canadian government? Canada's federal government? 

Well said. This is my point.

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This geographic place called Canada will exist for thousands of years.

This federal State has only existed for 150 years.