Budweiser hires trans spokesperson and the right loses their mind

[CrakHoBarbie]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

LOL...so you concur with my statement. Good.

A "normal" person would of outgrown their "masklophobia"..... Your fears are child like. You respond as if you were a child. I do like that youve been man enough to admit that you're a bigot and that you fear people in dresses. That's a lot more than I can say for some of the more ons here.

Edited April 25, 2023 by CrakHoBarbie

[CrakHoBarbie]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They tried to drag beer into the culture wars and identity politics and their consumers are sick of that crap.

that was a pretty big F__k up.

So alcohol was a bridge too far? 

The Jethro's certainly have taken offense.

That explains a lot.

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

So alcohol was a bridge too far? 

At this point, just about everything is a bridge too far.  When people become fed up with hearing about something then it's irritating no matter what the context.  But - when that context is something that people reasonably expect to be 'politik free' like beer or disney children's movies or mundane things like soap - doesn't matter, they're going to get pissed.

It's not the item. It's the politics. People have had enough of the fighting.

21 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

The Jethro's certainly have taken offense.

The people have taken offense. Everyone's sick of it. And getting sicker by the day. So the backlashes will tend to become more and more significant over time until things change.

21 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

That explains a lot.

Yeah. It does.  Glad you're finally getting it. If you take ANYTHING and bug people about it enough they'll get sick of it. And when they do there's pushback.

People are sick of trans issues at this point. They've pushed too hard and too far and instead of selling their message they're driving people to anger.

 

[Army Guy]

11 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

How did they f__k up?

We both know the answer to that question, i mean does one really have to ask why beer and stock prices took a dive...and as i said before the consumers of this product are not as accepting as everyone thinks they are, in this case the consumer spoke by boycotting beer sales...which was not anticipated... hence totally misread their consumer base or fuc* it up...which is why we now see a new Head of marketing, and a formal apology from the CEO, as they are trying to gain back lost consumers, and have placed their allegiance to the LGBTQ community on the back burner, in favor of the all o mighty dollar.  

[CrakHoBarbie]

5 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

We both know the answer to that question, i mean does one really have to ask why beer and stock prices took a dive...and as i said before the consumers of this product are not as accepting as everyone thinks they are, in this case the consumer spoke by boycotting beer sales...which was not anticipated... hence totally misread their consumer base or fuc* it up...which is why we now see a new Head of marketing, and a formal apology from the CEO, as they are trying to gain back lost consumers, and have placed their allegiance to the LGBTQ community on the back burner, in favor of the all o mighty dollar.  

It was bad fallout. My guess is the heads at InBev were unaware of the number of transphobic bigots in America. And although I applaud their efforts, I don't drink their beer.

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

I didn't say most Americans are leftists. I said most Americans are closer to Bernie than they are to Biden. Most Americans are liberals, they don't want to abolish capitalism like I do, but they do want more welfare programs like the Nordic countries have.

As for Trump, he only won because of our weird electoral college system. Trump never had majority support and most Americans voted against him in both elections.

you'll have to walk me through this, Biden represents the left side of the scale in politics.... and Bernie is further left than Biden ...would that not make the majority leftists...

Abolish capitalism, OK i just have to ask why, has that system not given you everything you have today, Not sure what form of government you want to replace it with , I'm assuming Communism... you must be a university student or someone that just completed higher education, the reason i ask , is because that is a common opinion and a product of our current education system...

 

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

It was bad fallout. My guess is the heads at InBev were unaware of the number of transphobic bigots in America. And although I applaud their efforts, I don't drink their beer.

Then appealing to you would be stupid for them wouldn't it.   IF they do things that appeal to you and you wont'  drink their product - that's a waste of money.

So what you're saying is that companies should be appealing to the transphobic bigots, because they're SOOOO many of them that it will guaranteed sell their product.

 

[Army Guy]

1 minute ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

It was bad fallout. My guess is the heads at InBev were unaware of the number of transphobic bigots in America. And although I applaud their efforts, I don't drink their beer.

The media is saying that the heads of inBev were not aware of what the marketing was doing....so they are shifting the blame on her...thats what big business does shift the blame...but one would think, that a huge global company as this one is, they would know exactly what the consumer bases likes or dislikes...

Do i applaud their efforts, not sure, they were trying to capitalize on the latest fad and craze, and this time it did not work out, i think their effort or intention is clearly shown how fast they dumped the whole idea when it came down continuing their support for the LGBTQ community or making money...

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

they were trying to capitalize on the latest fad and craze, and this time it did not work out,

I think this is the bottom line. People saw it as insincere, as dragging identity politics into a simple product, and virtue signalling and they got pissed off.

Honestly - i don't care if some tranny somewhere drinks something.  I really don't think the majority of people do either. Despite barbie's claims, there's just not that many people who 'hate' trans.

But when it's in teh paper every day, you're being bombarded with trans story time, and giant fake breast teachers and kids being thrown out of school for saying maybe males should stay out of girls bathrooms, and now even school shootings - you're going to get damn sick of it.

And i think they tapped into that anger and it just blew up on them. I mean they've done stuff with gays and lesbians and stuff for years. Spuds mackenzie was a girl   Nobody cared.  But its' just getting to be too much.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

A "normal" person would of outgrown their "masklophobia"..... Your fears are child like. You respond as if you were a child. I do like that youve been man enough to admit that you're a bigot and that you fear women in dresses. That's a lot more than I can say for some of the more ons here.

A "normal" person? Barb...all humans have similar instincts. Even you. Now, judging from the reaction to and the results of various SJW acts, railing against instinct is what we could classify as a "bad" idea. Humans call themselves "civilized". A term which, among other things, means we have learned to manage our instincts.

Example: You're in a bar with buddies. An obvious trannie walks in and sits at the table next to you. Your reaction, I'm venturing to guess, would be to think, 'Huh...a trannie.' and go on with your visiting. You've now identified that which is not normal for yourself, and managed your instinct to shun the person. But you will have identified the person as different and will be aware of the person's doings in that bar, more than you would the average Jill.

Edited April 25, 2023 by Nationalist

[Americana Antifa]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You're full of it.

Try to dispute any of those points.

Pick any topic, you'll find that most Americans are left-of-center on it. Conservatives hate this, because their whole narrative is that they're the "real Americans" battling a minority that's trying to change the country. The truth is, conservatives are the minority. That's why they can't win a presidential election with the popular vote. That's why they need to gerrymander to win local elections.

[Americana Antifa]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

you'll have to walk me through this, Biden represents the left side of the scale in politics.... and Bernie is further left than Biden ...would that not make the majority leftists...

Oh dear. Well, this is what the mainstream media wants people to think.

So Biden is actually in the Center. He's a liberal, which means he's pro-democracy and pro-capitalism. Leftists are pro-democracy and anti-capitalism.

Like I said, most Americans are liberals, but they also want more welfare policies like they have in the Nordic countries.

Basically, Americans are left-leaning liberals. Whereas Biden is a centrist liberal.

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Abolish capitalism, OK i just have to ask why, has that system not given you everything you have today, Not sure what form of government you want to replace it with , I'm assuming Communism... you must be a university student or someone that just completed higher education, the reason i ask , is because that is a common opinion and a product of our current education system...

 

I'm a socialist, not a communist.

And no, our education system doesn't promote socialism or communism. It actually does the opposite in many ways by equating socialism and communism with fascism and nazism, which is completely ridiculous. Not just that, but people have been saying since the sixties that colleges are turning the youth into communists. If that was true, wouldn't commies be running America by now?

[CrakHoBarbie]

47 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

.all humans have similar instincts. 

I'm a human. I do not instinctively find people wearing dresses disgusting. So, there goes your theory. You were raised to be a bigot, that's why you're one now. You're just trying to remove the blame of your bigotry from yourself and place the blame on "instinct".

 

[Zeitgeist]

39 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Try to dispute any of those points.

Pick any topic, you'll find that most Americans are left-of-center on it. Conservatives hate this, because their whole narrative is that they're the "real Americans" battling a minority that's trying to change the country. The truth is, conservatives are the minority. That's why they can't win a presidential election with the popular vote. That's why they need to gerrymander to win local elections.

I think you’re very wrong on this. The last election was won on defeating Trump, not conservatism itself.  In fact, I have a feeling that the left is going to face a backlash soon that might bury them, at least the more radical elements on subjects like “trans rights” and eliminating capitalism, for a generation.  We should hope so, because if not we can look forward to the collapse of family, human rights, and liberal democracy in general.  Why? Transhumanism will lead to the granting of rights to A. I. and upend biological genders and the rights of men, women, and children.  It’s already underway and it may be too late.

The only hope is the fact that generally the irresponsible and reckless people are not the ones who can afford the products that maintain our industries, including products like beer.  The capitalist free market of goods and ideas might save us, as long as the free market and rights like free speech are maintained.

Edited April 25, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Pick any topic, you'll find that most Americans are left-of-center on it.

Ok - gun control.

Most people in the us are right of center.  They want reasonable laws to help prevent abuse but they're not big on gun bans or the like.  Center-right.  Center left would be ban everything but hunting rifles, as we've seen in canada and australia. Far left is just ban everything.

Abortion.  Most americans favor some restrictions on abortion and they don't favor abortions 4 seconds from birth. Right of center. Left is unrestricted abortion.

voting laws.  Most americans agree that voter fraud is bad and reasonable steps should be made to avoid it.  Right of center.  left of center and left is "being asked to carry id is suprression".

I mean we could keep going.

What YOU would like to see is that what is NOW left of center be considered 'far right, which would therefore make your own radical left wing views seem more moderate.

They're not.  And if you believed a quarter of what you're saying, you wouldn't need to lie so much to try to sell it.

 

[Americana Antifa]

24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Ok - gun control.

Most people in the us are right of center.  They want reasonable laws to help prevent abuse but they're not big on gun bans or the like.

That's the left of center position. The Right doesn't want ANY gun control. They don't even want red flag laws.

Leftists are gun nuts too, but even we want red flag laws and the closing of loopholes.

[Americana Antifa]

48 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think you’re very wrong on this. The last election was won on defeating Trump, not conservatism itself.  

True. But when was the last time a Republican became president with the popular vote?

If most Americans are right-leaning, why do Republicans need the electoral college to win? Why do they need gerrymandering?

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In fact, I have a feeling that the left is going to face a backlash soon that might bury them, at least the more radical elements on subjects like “trans rights” and eliminating capitalism, for a generation.  We should hope so, because if not we can look forward to the collapse of family, human rights, and liberal democracy in general.

Conservatives have been saying this for generations. It's always "this new generation is TOO FAR LEFT!" and "they're destroying the family!"

Something I find fascinating about history is how it repeats itself. Everything the Right is saying about trans people is just recycled from their attacks on gay people. Before that, it was the feminists who were destroying the family and harming children. It's the same shit over and over.

Thankfully, you're probably wrong. Conservatives have always been wrong on moral panics.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

Try to dispute any of those points.

Pick any topic, you'll find that most Americans are left-of-center on it. Conservatives hate this, because their whole narrative is that they're the "real Americans" battling a minority that's trying to change the country. The truth is, conservatives are the minority. That's why they can't win a presidential election with the popular vote. That's why they need to gerrymander to win local elections.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

I'm a human. I do not instinctively find people wearing dresses disgusting. So, there goes your theory. You were raised to be a bigot, that's why you're one now. You're just trying to remove the blame of your bigotry from yourself and place the blame on "instinct".

 

You instinctively identify the person and will take special note of the person. You can't hide from instinct Barb. No matter what you do, it will always be there. It has nothing to do with finding anything "disgusting". Are you this thin-minded? Try to think at a collage level at least please.

I was raised by honourable parents who raised me and my siblings to be honourable, and honest people. I don't "blame" instinct. I acknowledge it. You need to find a way to grow up a tad Barb.

[CrakHoBarbie]

32 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

. You can't hide from instinct Barb. 

Funny how I'm not instinctively a bigot, but you are.

What's the determining factor?

You're just someone who wants to blame their bigoted behavior on "instinct" when in reality It's just the way you were brought up.

 

Edited April 25, 2023 by CrakHoBarbie

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

That's the left of center position. The Right doesn't want ANY gun control. They don't even want red flag laws.

Leftists are gun nuts too, but even we want red flag laws and the closing of loopholes.

 

Nope. Lefties want bans.  It's a right of center position. While i'm sure there's left wing gun owners - the majority of left wingers favour bans, not just a few more laws.  Biden - whom you refer to as being almost CENTRIST for god's sake, is pushing for bans RIGHT NOW on behalf of the left.

 

[Americana Antifa]

37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

Nope. Lefties want bans.  It's a right of center position. While i'm sure there's left wing gun owners - the majority of left wingers favour bans, not just a few more laws.  Biden - whom you refer to as being almost CENTRIST for god's sake, is pushing for bans RIGHT NOW on behalf of the left.

 

I asked for examples of leftists who wanted bans. All you could come up with was Biden, who is a centrist liberal, and even he doesn't want to ban all guns, just assault weapons.

Do you want to try this again or do you want to quit before you embarrass yourself again?

[Americana Antifa]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Look at the year. This was back in 2021. Since then, the Republicans got their cheeks clapped in the midterms. The over-the-top transphobia and the revelation that Republicans still want a national abortion ban has woken a lot of people up.

Again, look at the individual issues. Even a lot of Americans who consider themselves Republican are centrist or left-leaning on the actual issues.

[CdnFox]

52 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

True. But when was the last time a Republican became president with the popular vote?

If most Americans are right-leaning, why do Republicans need the electoral college to win? Why do they need gerrymandering?

What are you talking about? BUSH won with a strong majority in the popular vote. Regan did. They pretty much ALL did. Trump was the exception and that's ONE TERM.

Again - she has to lie to make her point.

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

I asked for examples of leftists who wanted bans. All you could come up with was Biden, who is a centrist liberal, and even he doesn't want to ban all guns, just assault weapons.

Actually i could come up wiht a lot more -but as you just noted there was no point because all you do is pretend the person isn't on the left or there's some other problem.

Biden is strongly left wing. Not psychotically far left as you are but left.  And he's demanding gun bans right now, and the democrats seem to agree with him on that.

Can you point to any democrats who are DISAGREEING with him? No? Hmmm.

25 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Do you want to try this again or do you want to quit before you embarrass yourself again?

LOL - you were the one who wound up having other people laughing at you last time, you totally hung yourself You want to do it again, bring it   - show me an example of someone you consider to be left wing who's saying we don't need to ban any guns, we'll start there