On the subject of Bud Lite

[impartialobserver]

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So has bud.  Both have long histories of it.  It's not the issue.

As i've said it's foolish to think given the scope of the backlash that this is really about people disliking trans people.  It just isn't for the most part.  The majority of people just don't give a crap if some he/she drinks a beer.

This is about wokeism and throwing this crap in people's face night and day. You can't go 5 mins without hearing about the poor trans people. For YEARS now. And now you can't even have a beer without it being political.

That's the backlash. If you talked that much about kittens people would be fed up about kittens. The trans political movement has gone too far and now there's a backlash.

Can't go 5 minutes without hearing about Trans-people.. quite the comedian. 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Can't go 5 minutes without hearing about Trans-people.. quite the comedian. 

Denial is the first sign you have a mental health issue.

Mind you so is thinking you're a girl when you're a boy, but i digress.....  IKIDDING!  I kid! )

It's everywhere. Every day there's a story about trans people picking fights over something. Trans story time for toddlers, or trans demanding various washrooms be changed, or trans competing in sports for women, or trans teachers with massive fake breasts, or trans wanting to shower with members of the opposite sex, or trans laws and such being debated and passed in the house, and of course... trans beer drinking.

Look at this board - there's not many days when there hasn't been a thread about trans people or issues on the go since i came here. No other topic has such constant coverage other than the war. And we've contained that to one thread.

Lying to yourself wont change anything.

[Americana Antifa]

On 4/28/2023 at 12:44 PM, impartialobserver said:

Well, Coors light is not some beacon of Conservative purity. They have been a primary sponsor of the Denver PrideFest for quite some time. 

I guess those who hate this kind of thing can always revert back to even less appealing beers such as Mickey's, Olde English, Steel Reserve 211, Old Milwaukee, or gasp! Colt 45. 

All of these companies are progressive in public but then fund right-wing parties. This is just rainbow capitalism.

[impartialobserver]

On 4/28/2023 at 5:28 PM, CdnFox said:

Denial is the first sign you have a mental health issue.

Mind you so is thinking you're a girl when you're a boy, but i digress.....  IKIDDING!  I kid! )

It's everywhere. Every day there's a story about trans people picking fights over something. Trans story time for toddlers, or trans demanding various washrooms be changed, or trans competing in sports for women, or trans teachers with massive fake breasts, or trans wanting to shower with members of the opposite sex, or trans laws and such being debated and passed in the house, and of course... trans beer drinking.

Look at this board - there's not many days when there hasn't been a thread about trans people or issues on the go since i came here. No other topic has such constant coverage other than the war. And we've contained that to one thread.

Lying to yourself wont change anything.

Hmmm... I went all weekend with the the only time that letters t-r-a-n-s coming up was when a neighbor was talking about the transmission on his car. The only time I hear about trans-people is on this board.. but I can't go 5 minutes without hearing about it. Damn, you are quite the comedian. 

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Hmmm... I went all weekend with the the only time that letters t-r-a-n-s coming up was when a neighbor was talking about the transmission on his car.

We literally talked about it right here during the weekend. If you're saying that you shut yourself in a closet and didn't turn on the tv or internet - then perhaps but - thats not the usual case for most people. Sorry.

For most of us it's a pretty regular thing. The teacher with the fake breasts was in the news for ages, we've seen a dozen stories here, it's pretty chronic.

You can lie to yourself if you like. Many do, But pretending that trans issues NEVER make it into the media as you suggest is just stupid,

You're dumb enough to be funny - yet you're not, 

[impartialobserver]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

We literally talked about it right here during the weekend. If you're saying that you shut yourself in a closet and didn't turn on the tv or internet - then perhaps but - thats not the usual case for most people. Sorry.

For most of us it's a pretty regular thing. The teacher with the fake breasts was in the news for ages, we've seen a dozen stories here, it's pretty chronic.

You can lie to yourself if you like. Many do, But pretending that trans issues NEVER make it into the media as you suggest is just stupid,

You're dumb enough to be funny - yet you're not, 

Oh.. and I was on here this weekend? Oh, I was not.. I was out having a life. What a concept. 

Do you know how I know that you are a clown? Because you exaggerate... What evidence do I have..."pretending that trans issues NEVER make"... the inclusion of that fifth word in that clause. I challenge you to show me where I said that it NEVER comes up? Yes, it does. However, I could be equally disingenuous and ask, "Does it come up in every news story?".. The answer is no.

 

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Oh.. and I was on here this weekend? Oh, I was not.. I was out having a life. What a concept. 

As i said - if you never look at a computer or news feed then sure. But that's not most people.

11 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Do you know how I know that you are a clown? Because you exaggerate... What evidence do I have..."pretending that trans issues NEVER make"... the inclusion of that fifth word in that clause. I challenge you to show me where I said that it NEVER comes up?

Ahem - YOUR words:

"The only time I hear about trans-people is on this board.."

So it NEVER comes up outside of here. NEVER in the news, NEVER in the papers, the ONLY time you hear about it is here.

What were you saying about exaggeration?

so you've admitted you'er a liar. Noted.

 

11 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Yes, it does. However, I could be equally disingenuous and ask, "Does it come up in every news story?".. The answer is no.

Yes - that would be equally as disingenuous as your claim that it NEVER comes up and the only place it gets discussed is here.

Both would be untrue. But i'm glad you recognized your dishonesty.

Do you know how i can be sure you knew i was right? because you felt the need to lie and be deceitful and attack me and not the issue.  Honest people who think they have a point don't do that.

My point remains - people are bombarded with 'trans issues' and trans politics constantly and they are sick of it. And when a company leans into those politics there is a backlash.

You obviously know that's true and just don't like it. That would be your problem.

[impartialobserver]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

As i said - if you never look at a computer or news feed then sure. But that's not most people.

Ahem - YOUR words:

"The only time I hear about trans-people is on this board.."

So it NEVER comes up outside of here. NEVER in the news, NEVER in the papers, the ONLY time you hear about it is here.

What were you saying about exaggeration?

so you've admitted you'er a liar. Noted.

 

Yes - that would be equally as disingenuous as your claim that it NEVER comes up and the only place it gets discussed is here.

Both would be untrue. But i'm glad you recognized your dishonesty.

Do you know how i can be sure you knew i was right? because you felt the need to lie and be deceitful and attack me and not the issue.  Honest people who think they have a point don't do that.

My point remains - people are bombarded with 'trans issues' and trans politics constantly and they are sick of it. And when a company leans into those politics there is a backlash.

You obviously know that's true and just don't like it. That would be your problem.

"bombarded"... more exaggeration. I just went to the local newspaper online and guess what... the topic comes up 2 or 3 times and one had to dig. But... but... that means I am bombarded. Wow, you are a funny guy. 

"The only time I hear about trans-people is on this board.."

Now show some character and tell me where I explicitly stated that it NEVER comes up outside of this forum. No interpretations  or subjective opinions. 

 

[CdnFox]

Just now, impartialobserver said:

I just went to the local newspaper online and guess what... the topic comes up 2 or 3 times and one had to dig.

two or three times in one paper.

And that's just one paper,

Well thanks for proving my poing.

Just now, impartialobserver said:

But... but... that means I am bombarded.

Yep. You can lie to your heart's content but if people hear about something pretty much every day for a few years it certainly is bombarding them.

And bud lite is the proof. Like i said you can lie to yourself - but those people are fed up.

Just now, impartialobserver said:

"The only time I hear about trans-people is on this board.."

Now show some character and tell me where I explicitly stated that it NEVER comes up outside of this forum.

You just quoted it. You literaly said it. 

Dude - you're turning into a pretty dishonest poster.

Which is fine - be dishonest to your heart's content. But - the cost will be more bud lite sorts of blowbacks and it'll get worse and worse. People are sick of the issue, and they're sick of people like you lying and trying to weasel out of what you said. Pathetic.

[impartialobserver]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

two or three times in one paper.

And that's just one paper,

Well thanks for proving my poing.

Yep. You can lie to your heart's content but if people hear about something pretty much every day for a few years it certainly is bombarding them.

And bud lite is the proof. Like i said you can lie to yourself - but those people are fed up.

You just quoted it. You literaly said it. 

Dude - you're turning into a pretty dishonest poster.

Which is fine - be dishonest to your heart's content. But - the cost will be more bud lite sorts of blowbacks and it'll get worse and worse. People are sick of the issue, and they're sick of people like you lying and trying to weasel out of what you said. Pathetic.

2 or 3 times is not bombarding. 20 to 30 times.. you have a point. 2 to 3... i think that you are just a bit too sensitive and overreact. So, in short, you can't show where I explicitly stated that it NEVER comes up outside of the forum. Yes, the only place that I see it is this place. ... but I am just one person and just because I do not see it does not mean that it does not exist. I am sure that I was obsessively watching the news, combing news sites, and such.. I would see it more often.. but I have a life.. what a concept

 

[CdnFox]

44 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

2 or 3 times is not bombarding.

 

Sure it is.  There's not many other news issues i have to spend that much time a day reading about or addressing.

Lets get real. You' know i'm right and that' why you're not addressing the issue, you're attempting to quibble over the definition of 'bombarding'.  People feel bombarded - that's why they freaked at bud lite.

So drop the cheezy act and address the issues or just admit you're a mindless troll who simply can't cope with the truth.

47 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Yes, the only place that I see it is this place. ... but I am just one person and just because I do not see it does not mean that it does not exist.

But that'd not what you said. Is it.

I can understand you trying to walk it back now. You DO look like a serious retard for accusing others of exaggerating after making an exaggeration.  And we both know you were lying as well - there's no doubt you have seen or discused a story involving trans people outside of this forum before.  So it was obvious baloney on the face of it.

And this is what makes you the dishonest poster here.

People are sick to death of being constantly bombarded by trans politics. They're fed up. And the bud lite backlash is an example of that. Even people who are just fine with trans are getting sick of it.

[impartialobserver]

Back to the topic..it appears that this is hitting inBev in the revenue dept. I do not believe that this is going to a long term phenomenon. This current wave of pro-trans promotions will stop and they move on to other things in time. 

 

https://www.outkick.com/bud-light-sales-getting-worse-by-the-week-as-miller-coors-take-off/

[CdnFox]

30 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Back to the topic..it appears that this is hitting inBev in the revenue dept. I do not believe that this is going to a long term phenomenon. This current wave of pro-trans promotions will stop and they move on to other things in time. 

 

https://www.outkick.com/bud-light-sales-getting-worse-by-the-week-as-miller-coors-take-off/

Owtch.  That is one hell of a backlash.

I think they'll eventually recover SOME of that business - but truth be told even though people will stop caring after a while people get used to things - and if they're drinking coors now they'll probably pretty quickly decide they like coors and keep going back to coors and bud will have lost that customer.

So even if they recover to their previous volume, it'll still be far below what it should have been. That might last for years to one degree or another. theyre' not like disney where they're producing something that there's really no direct competitor to.

You can bet other companies will be watching this very closely.

[Moonbox]

I think the brand is toast for the foreseeable future.  This was probably the biggest marketing faceplant I've ever witnessed and Bud Lite is a meme now.  They aren't shaking this off, I don't think, for years. 

[Michael Hardner]

44 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I think the brand is toast for the foreseeable future.  This was probably the biggest marketing faceplant I've ever witnessed and Bud Lite is a meme now.  They aren't shaking this off, I don't think, for years. 

Sure, but how forseeable was it?

 

In retrospect it seems obvious, but this new LGBTQ backlash is relatively new no?

[impartialobserver]

In a perfect world, folks would pivot from buying Bud Light to purchasing actual beer but that is not the case. 

[Moonbox]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Sure, but how forseeable was it?

The nature of this sort of conversation is always coloured by hindsight, but that's unavoidable.  It's not like I was part of the marketing team that greenlit or put this faceplant together.   

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

In retrospect it seems obvious, but this new LGBTQ backlash is relatively new no?

Doesn't matter if it's new.  It was loud and out there before the ad campaign and Bud Lite was always a blue-collar brand.  

I've said it before elsewhere, but cheap and interchangeable brands don't have the luxury of being able to safely make political statements on highly divisive issues.  If the Dallas Cowboys had used Mulvaney as their spokesman, there would have been next to no backlash.  The culture warriors would have lived with it.  

With a cheap beer with hundreds of competitors offering the exact same thing, those culture warriors can loudly repeat their statements and reverse-virtue-signal to one other at no cost.  

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

In a perfect world, folks would pivot from buying Bud Light to purchasing actual beer but that is not the case. 

Best comment of the week

[impartialobserver]

Had a Barleywine style ale from Fremont Brewing last week. 13.9% abv and oh so delicious. More flavor in that 22 oz. bottle than what you would find in a 24 pack of Bud Light if you concentrated into one can. 

[herbie]

It's 99% bullshit.
Haven't seen any women stop ordering it at the bar and guys only drank it when there was absolutely nothing else. All yap from the 'real alpha men' who never srnk it in the first place. Maybe they ordered their wives to stop drinking it?

They'll probably market a new Bud-L in a slightly different can so those offended goofs will buy that. Like Coke did with Zero, black font instead of white, adjust taste and save on the expense of sugar.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, herbie said:

It's 99% bullshit.
Haven't seen any women stop ordering it at the bar and guys only drank it when there was absolutely nothing else. All yap from the 'real alpha men' who never srnk it in the first place. Maybe they ordered their wives to stop drinking it?

They'll probably market a new Bud-L in a slightly different can so those offended goofs will buy that. Like Coke did with Zero, black font instead of white, adjust taste and save on the expense of sugar.

They have their actual sales numbers     Typical leftie - when the facts don't support your echo chamber talking points then they're not "real" facts

[herbie]

Perhaps the sales in Redneck Cracker States was 10,000 times that in BC.

They should've named it Diet Bud as that's about the only reason anyone drank such p1ss water. Thought if they drank enough they'd lose weight.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Perhaps the sales in Redneck Cracker States was 10,000 times that in BC.

You being a hypocritical !diot seems much more plausible  

[Moonbox]

18 hours ago, herbie said:

It's 99% bullshit.
Haven't seen any women stop ordering it at the bar and guys only drank it when there was absolutely nothing else. All yap from the 'real alpha men' who never srnk it in the first place. Maybe they ordered their wives to stop drinking it?

I don't think I've ever seen a woman order a Bud Lite at a bar, to be honest, but I have seen lots of cases of it brought for after hockey, at cottages, golfing, etc.  

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They have their actual sales numbers     Typical leftie - when the facts don't support your echo chamber talking points then they're not "real" facts

While you have a point about the numbers, you're hardly one to talk about echo chambers and partisanship, are you?  

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

While you have a point about the numbers, you're hardly one to talk about echo chambers and partisanship, are you?  

So your argument is that i'm right but you aren't happy about it and want me to somehow still be a bad person.

Well there you go