Deluge Posted April 12, 2023 Report Posted April 12, 2023 (edited) On 4/6/2023 at 5:43 PM, reason10 said: https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-declares-florida-beat-left-173208335.html DeSantis declares Florida 'beat the left,' says Sunshine State's Dem Party is 'like a dead carcass' Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis declared the Democratic Party in Florida is "like a dead carcass on the side of the road" after being "beat" by Republicans. "In what used to be a swing state, now the Democratic Party in Florida is a hollow shell. It's like a dead carcass on the side of the road," DeSantis said at a Midland County, Michigan, GOP breakfast. "I mean, we have beat the left in the state of Florida." The remarks from DeSantis, who has served as Florida's governor since 2019, come as he is widely expected to enter the growing field of Republicans seeking the GOP nomination for president in 2024 once the Florida legislature wraps up its current session this spring. DeSantis, who has touted Florida as a state where "woke goes to die," offered similar comments in a February interview with Newsweek about the Sunshine State's Democratic Party. 172 Kyle Morris Thu, April 6, 2023 at 1:32 PM EDT Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis declared the Democratic Party in Florida is "like a dead carcass on the side of the road" after being "beat" by Republicans. "In what used to be a swing state, now the Democratic Party in Florida is a hollow shell. It's like a dead carcass on the side of the road," DeSantis said at a Midland County, Michigan, GOP breakfast. "I mean, we have beat the left in the state of Florida." The remarks from DeSantis, who has served as Florida's governor since 2019, come as he is widely expected to enter the growing field of Republicans seeking the GOP nomination for president in 2024 once the Florida legislature wraps up its current session this spring. DeSantis, who has touted Florida as a state where "woke goes to die," offered similar comments in a February interview with Newsweek about the Sunshine State's Democratic Party. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis speaks during a Midland Republican Party event in Midland, Michigan, on April 6, 2023. Last November, DeSantis overwhelmingly defeated his Democratic challenger, former Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, to win a second term in the Florida governor's mansion. DeSantis earned more than 1.5 million votes more than Crist, a former Republican who represented Florida's 13th Congressional District in the House as a Democrat from 2017 to 2022. DeSantis' victory in the state's 2022 gubernatorial election was viewed by many Republicans, both locally and nationally, as a historic win. The victory marked the first time in two decades that a GOP governor had won Miami-Dade County. In 2002, then-Florida Gov. Jeb Bush became the last Republican gubernatorial candidate before DeSantis to win the heavily populated and diverse South Florida county. (You folks might be surprised, but I actually voted for Charlie Crist for Governor, when he ran against Democrat Jim Davis. It was a good call. Crist was somewhat of a centrist, but better than ANY Democrat.) "Bold leadership is rewarded by voters, and you can't win by a million and a half votes by only getting Republicans. We're winning independents, we're actually winning Democrats," DeSantis said from Michigan. Throughout his tenure as governor, DeSantis has earned national recognition by reversing course on COVID-19 lockdowns, attacking "woke" critical race theory and gender-identity content in schools, and punching back at corporations like Disney or journalists who have criticized his agenda. His impressive 19-point re-election victory last November stood out in a midterm election year when Republicans generally underperformed, propelling him to the forefront of 2024 White House speculation among political pundits — much to the chagrin of former President Donald Trump, the GOP primary front-runner. Governor DeSantis remains the BEST governor in the history of Florida and right now the BEST governor in the entire United States. Unfortunately, Florida's superior economy, superior schools and beautiful weather has become a magnet for people leaving blue states. Personally, I wish those blue staters would just move to other blue states and vote to fck up their economies, rather than bring their communist voting patterns to Florida. We don't need them here. DeSantis is the man. He should get a Nobel for flying border crossers to Martha's Vineyard, where he knew they would be loved, pampered and quickly dispatched to some other place not in Martha's Vineyard. Edited April 12, 2023 by Deluge Quote
CdnFox Posted April 12, 2023 Report Posted April 12, 2023 19 hours ago, impartialobserver said: Our last governor was a Democrat and lost. The primary reason was his flop-in-the-breeze attitude when it came to COVID. Flip flopping on covid has killed a LOT of poltiicians on both sides of the fence and border. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
impartialobserver Posted April 12, 2023 Report Posted April 12, 2023 Just now, CdnFox said: Flip flopping on covid has killed a LOT of poltiicians on both sides of the fence and border. The businesses would adapt to one way and then the next week.. would shift gears. From there, they would get warnings, fines, mandates, etc. There is more to this story but can't put it out on a public forum. Quote
CdnFox Posted April 12, 2023 Report Posted April 12, 2023 48 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: The businesses would adapt to one way and then the next week.. would shift gears. From there, they would get warnings, fines, mandates, etc. There is more to this story but can't put it out on a public forum. It was the same for many provinces, and many provincial leaders got smoked over it. I don't know how ford got through unscathed. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
impartialobserver Posted April 12, 2023 Report Posted April 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It was the same for many provinces, and many provincial leaders got smoked over it. I don't know how ford got through unscathed. I can't blame him or at least at first. The situation was so new and so unprecedented. No instruction manuals for things like this. However, after things settled down by mid-2021.. it should have been clear as to how to navigate this. We set a record for number of unemployment insurance claims at any time in US History (490K in one week) and instead of approving the funding for just a few more staff... he vetoed them all and then wondered why the backlog was so incredible. Quote
reason10 Posted April 13, 2023 Author Report Posted April 13, 2023 20 hours ago, impartialobserver said: I can't blame him or at least at first. The situation was so new and so unprecedented. No instruction manuals for things like this. However, after things settled down by mid-2021.. it should have been clear as to how to navigate this. We set a record for number of unemployment insurance claims at any time in US History (490K in one week) and instead of approving the funding for just a few more staff... he vetoed them all and then wondered why the backlog was so incredible. One thing Florida public schools proved, and conclusively. If there had been a species ending virus and IF masks were the ONLY things to prevent its spread, probably 80 percent of all the school kids in Florida, (along with maybe half the teachers) would be dead. If you're a teacher ( or a sub) who has had to fight with a student to keep the mask on covering the nose, if you hear entire classes begging for a "mask break," if you watch students push their masks down to their chins just so they can drink water in class (when they NEVER did when there was no mask mandate) then you realize just how useless masks are and how FALSE the Obama Virus scare was. If this had been a widespread African Hanta virus, airborne and incubating within hours, these kids would have been dropping dead in the halls. Covid was a hoax on the American people from the very beginning. Quote
impartialobserver Posted April 13, 2023 Report Posted April 13, 2023 51 minutes ago, reason10 said: One thing Florida public schools proved, and conclusively. If there had been a species ending virus and IF masks were the ONLY things to prevent its spread, probably 80 percent of all the school kids in Florida, (along with maybe half the teachers) would be dead. If you're a teacher ( or a sub) who has had to fight with a student to keep the mask on covering the nose, if you hear entire classes begging for a "mask break," if you watch students push their masks down to their chins just so they can drink water in class (when they NEVER did when there was no mask mandate) then you realize just how useless masks are and how FALSE the Obama Virus scare was. If this had been a widespread African Hanta virus, airborne and incubating within hours, these kids would have been dropping dead in the halls. Covid was a hoax on the American people from the very beginning. Just to clear the air.. I am mostly indifferent on the topic of COVID now that it is mostly in the past. Our last governor, Sisolak, was simply in over his head. I know that you will make it about being liberal and such. That's fine. However, the objective view (which I have because I worked for him) is that he was simply not prepared. On a day to day basis, he was largely disorganized and inconsistent. Quote
reason10 Posted April 13, 2023 Author Report Posted April 13, 2023 59 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: Just to clear the air.. I am mostly indifferent on the topic of COVID now that it is mostly in the past. Our last governor, Sisolak, was simply in over his head. I know that you will make it about being liberal and such. That's fine. However, the objective view (which I have because I worked for him) is that he was simply not prepared. On a day to day basis, he was largely disorganized and inconsistent. There are conservative politicians who are equally disorganized and inconsistent. Ideology by itself does not guarantee excellence. Ideology is just a philosophy, a title. Actions determine outcome. Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 23, 2023 Report Posted May 23, 2023 “I Can’t Teach Like This”: Florida’s Education Brain Drain Is Hitting Public Schools Hard As Florida’s culture war rages on, educators across the state—which, according to the National Education Association, ranks 48th nationally in average teacher salary—are leaving in droves, with some even retiring early. In January 2019, when DeSantis first took office, Florida had 2,217 teacher vacancies. That number has since more than doubled to 5,294 vacancies as of January 2023, according to the Florida Education Association. … In her work for the Florida Freedom to Read Project—a group combating the right-wing effort to ban books in classrooms and school libraries—Miller says she has directly spoken with a teacher who, upon discovering a banned book in their classroom library, suddenly worried they could face third-degree felony penalties. Under HB 1467, a bill that DeSantis signed into law last year, books provided to students must be selected by a school district employee who has been certified as a media specialist. There are alternative options for parents concerned by the state’s spiraling public education system, but they are limited and inaccessible to most. “I actually visited a private school that I would consider more progressive—it’s the one choice nearby, but it can only take 40 students and has 186 on the waitlist,” says Miller. “Plus, we already have public schools…and I don’t mind my kids hearing someone else’s point of view.” As Florida reels from one of the worst teacher-vacancy crises in the country, DeSantis has also moved to dismantle the unions that defend them. Last week, the governor signed into law Senate Bill 256, barring most public sector unions—excluding police unions, of course—from receiving dues directly from workers’ paychecks. Included in the bill is the requirement that non-police unions maintain a membership rate of at least 60% of eligible employees or risk losing their certification. This two-pronged attack against educators and their union advocates, argues Pringle, the NEA president, is part of an overarching plot to make public schools more and more dysfunctional—therefore eroding community trust in them—before increasingly privatizing the system. “They’re systematically trying to pollute our schools and sow division within the labor movement and within communities,” she says. “This is just a part of their playbook.” https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/05/florida-education-brain-drain-hitting-schools-hard 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted May 23, 2023 Report Posted May 23, 2023 3 hours ago, BeaverFever said: “I Can’t Teach Like This”: Florida’s Education Brain Drain Is Hitting Public Schools Hard As Florida’s culture war rages on, educators across the state—which, according to the National Education Association, ranks 48th nationally in average teacher salary—are leaving in droves, with some even retiring early. In January 2019, when DeSantis first took office, Florida had 2,217 teacher vacancies. That number has since more than doubled to 5,294 vacancies as of January 2023, according to the Florida Education Association. … In her work for the Florida Freedom to Read Project—a group combating the right-wing effort to ban books in classrooms and school libraries—Miller says she has directly spoken with a teacher who, upon discovering a banned book in their classroom library, suddenly worried they could face third-degree felony penalties. Under HB 1467, a bill that DeSantis signed into law last year, books provided to students must be selected by a school district employee who has been certified as a media specialist. There are alternative options for parents concerned by the state’s spiraling public education system, but they are limited and inaccessible to most. “I actually visited a private school that I would consider more progressive—it’s the one choice nearby, but it can only take 40 students and has 186 on the waitlist,” says Miller. “Plus, we already have public schools…and I don’t mind my kids hearing someone else’s point of view.” As Florida reels from one of the worst teacher-vacancy crises in the country, DeSantis has also moved to dismantle the unions that defend them. Last week, the governor signed into law Senate Bill 256, barring most public sector unions—excluding police unions, of course—from receiving dues directly from workers’ paychecks. Included in the bill is the requirement that non-police unions maintain a membership rate of at least 60% of eligible employees or risk losing their certification. This two-pronged attack against educators and their union advocates, argues Pringle, the NEA president, is part of an overarching plot to make public schools more and more dysfunctional—therefore eroding community trust in them—before increasingly privatizing the system. “They’re systematically trying to pollute our schools and sow division within the labor movement and within communities,” she says. “This is just a part of their playbook.” https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/05/florida-education-brain-drain-hitting-schools-hard Waaaaahhh. Yet this same person will demand books they don't like be removed. Bet she didn't complain when elemetary schools removed the now banned dr seuss books. Bet she's ok with the efforts to remove books or movies that were fine in thier day but would never be allowed now. The REAL reason they're mad is the right is using their own playbook against them. Hey - you like those books? They're not banned - they're just not being carried by school libraries. So - organize reading clubs outside of school where kids can read those books with their parents approval and teachers or other interested people can help explain the books or discuss them with the kids. Problem solved. But no - she's unable to function as a person unless the state caves to her wishes. Eff off - the more leftie freaks that quit the better. People will learn eventually if they want to work they should leave their politics at home. Get woke go broke. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Americana Antifa Posted May 23, 2023 Report Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Waaaaahhh. Yet this same person will demand books they don't like be removed. Bet she didn't complain when elemetary schools removed the now banned dr seuss books. Bet she's ok with the efforts to remove books or movies that were fine in thier day but would never be allowed now. Lot of assumptions going on here. ? Personally, I think the Dr. Seuss books were fine, but those were just five books. The DeSantis book bans are targeting so many books it's becoming impossible to teach. Literally any book could be considered "woke" since the word has become a catch-all. Quote Unsere Stadt, merk euch das, für euch ist kein Platz da. Alerta, Alerta, Antifascista!
reason10 Posted May 28, 2023 Author Report Posted May 28, 2023 (edited) On 5/23/2023 at 7:44 AM, BeaverFever said: “I Can’t Teach Like This”: Florida’s Education Brain Drain Is Hitting Public Schools Hard As Florida’s culture war rages on, educators across the state—which, according to the National Education Association, ranks 48th nationally in average teacher salary—are leaving in droves, with some even retiring early. In January 2019, when DeSantis first took office, Florida had 2,217 teacher vacancies. That number has since more than doubled to 5,294 vacancies as of January 2023, according to the Florida Education Association. … In her work for the Florida Freedom to Read Project—a group combating the right-wing effort to ban books in classrooms and school libraries—Miller says she has directly spoken with a teacher who, upon discovering a banned book in their classroom library, suddenly worried they could face third-degree felony penalties. Under HB 1467, a bill that DeSantis signed into law last year, books provided to students must be selected by a school district employee who has been certified as a media specialist. There are alternative options for parents concerned by the state’s spiraling public education system, but they are limited and inaccessible to most. “I actually visited a private school that I would consider more progressive—it’s the one choice nearby, but it can only take 40 students and has 186 on the waitlist,” says Miller. “Plus, we already have public schools…and I don’t mind my kids hearing someone else’s point of view.” As Florida reels from one of the worst teacher-vacancy crises in the country, DeSantis has also moved to dismantle the unions that defend them. Last week, the governor signed into law Senate Bill 256, barring most public sector unions—excluding police unions, of course—from receiving dues directly from workers’ paychecks. Included in the bill is the requirement that non-police unions maintain a membership rate of at least 60% of eligible employees or risk losing their certification. This two-pronged attack against educators and their union advocates, argues Pringle, the NEA president, is part of an overarching plot to make public schools more and more dysfunctional—therefore eroding community trust in them—before increasingly privatizing the system. “They’re systematically trying to pollute our schools and sow division within the labor movement and within communities,” she says. “This is just a part of their playbook.” https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/05/florida-education-brain-drain-hitting-schools-hard Vanity F@g? Seriously? Let me bring you up to speed as to the reality of Florida's public schools (which are STILL superior to the underachieving woke Blue state schools.) 1. It was Governor Jeb Bush who signed into law an educational reform bill (shortly after the turn of the century) that held teachers accountable and pulled Florida from around #48 to the top five today. Teachers back then whined and moaned but they adjusted. 2. Teacher pay in the state of Florida (and it might be the same in other state, but I only work in the Florida system so I'll only speak for Florida) is determined at the COUNTY LEVEL, and is subject to property taxes. Example: Smaller and RICHER Seminole County pays teachers more than larger and poorer Orange County. 3. The two most important reasons for teachers to leave the profession in Florida is (a) teacher pay in certain areas cannot keep up with mushrooming housing costs or (b) teachers have just HAD IT with @ss hole helicopter parents and administrators who continue to question EVERY move a teacher makes. (I shut the fck up in the teacher's lounge during lunch and listen to what the best teachers in America say.) There was an 11th grade reading class I took over from a teacher who had just passed the bar and had been hired in a law office in Orlando. Stuff like that. 4. Within the past four weeks, in those teacher's lounges, I haven't heard a SINGLE WORD about Governor DeSantis taking the PORNOGRAPHY out of public school libraries. Mostly the teachers here talk about the job, the students, etc. They don't take a break from the job, even during lunch. Oh, by the way, for those who may think Florida does not allow controversial books in either its libraries or classrooms, about a month before the OBAMA VIRUS shut down the economy in the country, I was working in a 9th grade class where they were analyzing To Kill A Mockingbird, probably the most RACIST book of all time. It's near the top on left wing book burning lists. (Oh, and for Harper Lee fans, the sequel to Mockingbird--"Go Set A Watchman"--reads like a typical Democrat KKK screed, where the legendary Atticus Finch joins the Ku Klux Klan. It was as lamely written as Mockingbird.) Edited May 28, 2023 by reason10 Quote
reason10 Posted May 28, 2023 Author Report Posted May 28, 2023 On 5/23/2023 at 12:51 PM, Americana Antifa said: Lot of assumptions going on here. ? Personally, I think the Dr. Seuss books were fine, but those were just five books. The DeSantis book bans are targeting so many books it's becoming impossible to teach. Literally any book could be considered "woke" since the word has become a catch-all. NAME the books Governor DeSantis banned. Name even FIVE of them. Quote
CdnFox Posted May 28, 2023 Report Posted May 28, 2023 On 5/23/2023 at 9:51 AM, Americana Antifa said: Lot of assumptions going on here. ? That's what the left calls facts they don' t like. Assumptions. (get back here with those goalposts! reeeeeeeee) On 5/23/2023 at 9:51 AM, Americana Antifa said: Personally, I think the Dr. Seuss books were fine, but those were just five books. Oh i see - book bans are perfectly fine with you as long as we keep it to a certain number! Gotcha - so what exactly is the maximum number of books each side is allowed to ban? Exactly? On 5/23/2023 at 9:51 AM, Americana Antifa said: The DeSantis book bans are targeting so many books it's becoming impossible to teach. Literally any book could be considered "woke" since the word has become a catch-all. Haven't banned a single book. Not one. They simply decide which books are age appropriate for the school libraries. Any single one of those books is still sold, is still widely available. And NONE of them are part of the curriculum. So there are no book bans. Dr Seuss on the other hand is gone everywhere. No new sales and gone from all libraries unless the librarians get tricky about reclassifying it. So - ban. As to teaching - these are not curriculum books. So in fact it doesn't make it harder to teach in the slightest. All it really does is make it harder to teach a woke agenda. And teachers really shouldn't have been doing that in the first place. Let the kids grow up. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Americana Antifa Posted May 28, 2023 Report Posted May 28, 2023 1 hour ago, reason10 said: NAME the books Governor DeSantis banned. Name even FIVE of them. Nice try, but this is strawmanning. DeSantis himself isn't banning books. What he did was change the laws so that local politicians can very easily ban books considered "woke" in their district. It's a classic fascist move. Pretend you're giving the power to local communities, but really you're just allowing local fascists to ban "subversive" material. Quote Unsere Stadt, merk euch das, für euch ist kein Platz da. Alerta, Alerta, Antifascista!
Americana Antifa Posted May 28, 2023 Report Posted May 28, 2023 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: So there are no book bans. Dr Seuss on the other hand is gone everywhere. No new sales and gone from all libraries unless the librarians get tricky about reclassifying it. So - ban. Nope. The government has not banned those Dr. Seuss books. It's perfectly legal for libraries and stores to carry them. All that happened is that the company chose to stop publishing them. If you have a problem with it, then you have a problem with private companies. You ain't a commie, are you? Quote Unsere Stadt, merk euch das, für euch ist kein Platz da. Alerta, Alerta, Antifascista!
reason10 Posted May 28, 2023 Author Report Posted May 28, 2023 Just now, Americana Antifa said: Nice try, but this is strawmanning. DeSantis himself isn't banning books. What he did was change the laws so that local politicians can very easily ban books considered "woke" in their district. It's a classic fascist move. Pretend you're giving the power to local communities, but really you're just allowing local fascists to ban "subversive" material. Excuse me, BAT GUANO FOR BRAINS. YOU GOOSE STEPPERS ARE THE ONES WHO ORIGINALLY ACCUSED GOVERNOR DESANTIS OF BANNING BOOKS. Are you ready to admit YOU WERE LYING? Since you think banning books is fascist, your wonderful schithole of a blue state must indeed be fascist. https://www.newsweek.com/kill-mockingbird-other-books-banned-california-schools-over-racism-concerns-1547241 Until further notice, teachers in the area will not be able to include on their curriculum Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, Mark Twain's The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, Theodore Taylor's The Cay and Mildred D. Taylor's Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry. Using your definition, THE ENTIRE STATE OF CALIF@GULA IS FASCIST. Funny. I had to take over a 9th grade reading class in a FLORIDA RED STATS PUBLIC SCHOOL where we were analyzing TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD (shortly before the Obama virus shut all the schools down.) I had to try to keep that class awake because Mockingbird was so poorly written. (One of the few instances where the movie was more intelligent than the book.) Quote
CdnFox Posted May 28, 2023 Report Posted May 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said: Nice try, but this is strawmanning. DeSantis himself isn't banning books. What he did was change the laws so that local politicians can very easily ban books considered "woke" in their district. It's a classic fascist move. Pretend you're giving the power to local communities, but really you're just allowing local fascists to ban "subversive" material. Oh - so no book bans. Imagine. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
CdnFox Posted May 28, 2023 Report Posted May 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said: Nope. The government has not banned those Dr. Seuss books. It's perfectly legal for libraries and stores to carry them. Didn't say the gov't did. Yet another example of "So what you're REALLY saying is... " You have to lie and pretend i said something i didn't to make your point. What have i told you about needing to lie to make your point? 10 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said: All that happened is that the company chose to stop publishing them. Was forced to by a far left "commitee' of gov't workers and woke folk. If you preferred the term 'cancelled' thats fine- but the left really does get rid of books while the right does not. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Americana Antifa Posted May 28, 2023 Report Posted May 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, reason10 said: Excuse me, BAT GUANO FOR BRAINS. YOU GOOSE STEPPERS ARE THE ONES WHO ORIGINALLY ACCUSED GOVERNOR DESANTIS OF BANNING BOOKS. Are you ready to admit YOU WERE LYING? No, I accused DeSantis of allowing local fascists to ban books through his "stop woke" bullshit. I never said he was banning individual books himself. Quote Since you think banning books is fascist, your wonderful schithole of a blue state must indeed be fascist. https://www.newsweek.com/kill-mockingbird-other-books-banned-california-schools-over-racism-concerns-1547241 Until further notice, teachers in the area will not be able to include on their curriculum Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, Mark Twain's The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, Theodore Taylor's The Cay and Mildred D. Taylor's Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry. So I totally disagree with this decision. I've read those books, I don't think they're racist, I don't see anything inappropriate in them. However, this was a case of schools putting books on hold because parents were complaining. This is not the same as the district banning books because the government finds them objectionable. Quote Using your definition, THE ENTIRE STATE OF CALIF@GULA IS FASCIST. Even if this was fascist, this was just one district, not the entire state of California. Quote Unsere Stadt, merk euch das, für euch ist kein Platz da. Alerta, Alerta, Antifascista!
CdnFox Posted May 28, 2023 Report Posted May 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said: However, this was a case of schools putting books on hold because parents were complaining. This is not the same as the district banning books because the government finds them objectionable. It is precisely the same. There is no difference in the slightest. No books were banned. Name ONE book that the gov't will not allow you to buy or own that's got anything to do with desantis's law. Just one. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
CdnFox Posted May 28, 2023 Report Posted May 28, 2023 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
WestCanMan Posted May 28, 2023 Report Posted May 28, 2023 @reason10 Trump or DeSantis? Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
reason10 Posted June 22, 2023 Author Report Posted June 22, 2023 On 5/23/2023 at 7:44 AM, BeaverFever said: “I Can’t Teach Like This”: Florida’s Education Brain Drain Is Hitting Public Schools Hard As Florida’s culture war rages on, educators across the state—which, according to the National Education Association, ranks 48th nationally in average teacher salary—are leaving in droves, with some even retiring early. In January 2019, when DeSantis first took office, Florida had 2,217 teacher vacancies. That number has since more than doubled to 5,294 vacancies as of January 2023, according to the Florida Education Association. … In her work for the Florida Freedom to Read Project—a group combating the right-wing effort to ban books in classrooms and school libraries—Miller says she has directly spoken with a teacher who, upon discovering a banned book in their classroom library, suddenly worried they could face third-degree felony penalties. Under HB 1467, a bill that DeSantis signed into law last year, books provided to students must be selected by a school district employee who has been certified as a media specialist. There are alternative options for parents concerned by the state’s spiraling public education system, but they are limited and inaccessible to most. “I actually visited a private school that I would consider more progressive—it’s the one choice nearby, but it can only take 40 students and has 186 on the waitlist,” says Miller. “Plus, we already have public schools…and I don’t mind my kids hearing someone else’s point of view.” As Florida reels from one of the worst teacher-vacancy crises in the country, DeSantis has also moved to dismantle the unions that defend them. Last week, the governor signed into law Senate Bill 256, barring most public sector unions—excluding police unions, of course—from receiving dues directly from workers’ paychecks. Included in the bill is the requirement that non-police unions maintain a membership rate of at least 60% of eligible employees or risk losing their certification. This two-pronged attack against educators and their union advocates, argues Pringle, the NEA president, is part of an overarching plot to make public schools more and more dysfunctional—therefore eroding community trust in them—before increasingly privatizing the system. “They’re systematically trying to pollute our schools and sow division within the labor movement and within communities,” she says. “This is just a part of their playbook.” https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/05/florida-education-brain-drain-hitting-schools-hard Seriously? Vanity F@g? What's next? THE VIEW? 1. Florida banned GAY PORN books in public school libraries. California banned TO KILL A MOCKING BIRD, HUCKLEBERRY FINN and OF MICE AND MEN (which are American literature classics.) So you GOOSE STEPPERS have no fcking room to talk. 2. Teacher pay in Florida is by the county. It varies from county to county, which obviously Vanity F@g knows nothing about. The reason teachers are leaving the profession is because the skyrocketing HOUSING prices, thanks to BLUE STATERS wanting to leave those shitholes. They sell houses that cost a lot more and come down here and pay CASH for houses, bidding up the price. 3. Senate Bill 256: https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/256/?Tab=BillText (b)1. Beginning July 1, 2023, a public employee who desires 77 to be a member of an employee organization must sign and date a 78 membership authorization form, as prescribed by the commission, 79 with the bargaining agent. 80 2. The membership authorization form must identify the name 81 of the bargaining agent, the name of the employee, the class 82 code and class title of the employee, the name of the public 83 employer and employing agency, if applicable, and the amount of 84 the initiation fee and of the monthly dues which the member must 85 pay. 86 3. The membership authorization form must contain the 87 following statement in 14-point type: 88 89 The State of Florida is a right-to-work state. 90 Membership or non-membership in a labor union is not 91 required as a condition of employment, and union 92 membership and payment of union dues and assessments 93 are voluntary. Each person has the right to join and 94 pay dues to a labor union or to refrain from joining 95 and paying dues to a labor union. No employee may be 96 discriminated against in any manner for joining and 97 financially supporting a labor union or for refusing 98 to join or financially support a labor union. 99 100 4. A public employee may revoke membership in the employee 101 organization at any time of the year. Upon receipt of the 102 employee’s written revocation of membership, the employee 103 organization must revoke a public employee’s membership. The 104 employee organization may not limit an employee’s right to 105 revoke membership to certain dates. If a public employee must 106 complete a form to revoke membership in the employee 107 organization, the form may not require a reason for the public 108 employee’s decision to revoke his or her membership. 109 5. An employee organization must retain for inspection by 110 the commission such membership authorization forms and any 111 revocations. 112 6. This paragraph does not apply to members of an employee 113 organization that has been certified as a bargaining agent to 114 represent law enforcement officers, correctional officers, or 115 correctional probation officers as those terms are defined in s. 116 943.10(1), (2), or (3), respectively, or firefighters as defined 117 in s. 633.102. 118 7. The commission may adopt rules to implement this 119 paragraph. 120 Section 2. Effective July 1, 2023, section 447.303, Florida 121 Statutes, is amended to read: 122 447.303 Dues; deduction and collection.— 123 (1) Except as authorized in subsection (2), an employee 124 organization that has been certified as a bargaining agent may 125 not have its dues and uniform assessments deducted and collected 126 by the employer from the salaries of those employees in the 127 unit. A public employee may pay dues and uniform assessments 128 directly to the employee organization that has been certified as 129 the bargaining agent. 130 (2)(a) An Any employee organization that which has been 131 certified as a bargaining agent to represent law enforcement 132 officers, correctional officers, or correctional probation 133 officers as those terms are defined in s. 943.10(1), (2), or Not even close to what Vanity F@g says. This why no one with an education takes those fake news rags seriously. Quote
reason10 Posted June 22, 2023 Author Report Posted June 22, 2023 No, I accused DeSantis of allowing local fascists to ban books through his "stop woke" bullshit. I never said he was banning individual books himself. Fascists are in blue states. And if you think a Fascist wants to ban GAY PORN, there's something SERIOUSLY wrong with you. But you are more than welcome to come down here, go to a few school districts and find out EXACTLY what books are being banned. Until then, you are just repeating what a lying IDI0T is spewing. However, this was a case of schools putting books on hold because parents were complaining. This is not the same as the district banning books because the government finds them objectionable. How do you know the parents weren't complaining? Calif@gula has some screwed up left wing parents, who sleep with THe COMMUNIST MANIFESTO under their pillow, and find racism EVERYWHERE. Thing is, comparing American literature classics to PORN of any type is ludicrous. In Florida, students are protected from grooming, either from underachieving f@g teachers or Gay Porn books in libraries. We'd like our kids to grow up, maybe make it to the age of 18 before turning into f@gs or getting sex change operations. There's plenty of time for self mutilation later in life. We just believe a child should be allowed to be a child and that the PEDOPHILES should not be allowed anywhere near children. Quote
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