Army Guy Posted April 4, 2023 Report Posted April 4, 2023 Yes , this is another great example of how our military is so supported by it's citizens and this liberal government. We have NEVER been that patriotic to our nation , let alone have had pride in our soldiers and Veterans, it should make your chest heave up filled with pride, and honor to think while these soldiers are serving our nations interest, Canadians are back here , living the life of riley, drinking beers and watching all the hockey games...And our men and women overseas can't afford to feed themselves or their families.. due to our government inability to feed them... Don't worry this will be buried in tomorrows paper and we will never hear about it again...and life will go on for our nations soldiers they will struggle and you will continue to drink your beer and watch the game... THIS should be a warning to new recruits why in the blazing blue balls would you want to serve this ungrateful nation, who treat you like a ball of sh!t ... I hang my head in shame and disgust... why don't one of you liberal voters explain this one... And those in DND that are in charge of this mission you should be fired everyone of you ...wrapped in your own shit and put on a boat to now where...and good on the soldier that leaked this to the media you deserve a medal...my only hope is someone steps up and does something to solve this mess. GUNTER: Military starves while federal bureaucracy feasts (msn.com) Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted April 4, 2023 Report Posted April 4, 2023 Military pay https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/benefits-military/pay-pension-benefits/pay/non-commissioned.html Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
WestCanMan Posted April 4, 2023 Report Posted April 4, 2023 Quote Our soldiers were told to eat out at local restaurants and turn in their receipts to be paid back. Except they aren’t being reimbursed. Like seemingly everything else in the federal government, there is a months-long backlog in processing their expense claims. Some are now thousands of dollars in debt. The more you contribute to this country, the less you get back. It's a sucker's game. 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
TreeBeard Posted April 5, 2023 Report Posted April 5, 2023 No one in the military is starving. 1 Quote
Aristides Posted April 5, 2023 Report Posted April 5, 2023 29 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: No one in the military is starving. You sure about that? Our second largest naval base is located in the second most expensive city in the country. Quote
TreeBeard Posted April 5, 2023 Report Posted April 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Aristides said: You sure about that? Our second largest naval base is located in the second most expensive city in the country. https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/benefits-military/military-housing/locations/esquimalt.html 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted April 5, 2023 Author Report Posted April 5, 2023 18 hours ago, TreeBeard said: No one in the military is starving. Ya, now that is perhaps the stupidest thing you said here... nobody said our military is starving... the article was about how grossly the Government, and those in DND are managing this entire file, and the extra cost being passed on to the soldiers and their families who in my opinion have sacrificed enough already, now we are expecting them to pick up the tab for feeding themselves. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted April 5, 2023 Author Report Posted April 5, 2023 21 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Military pay https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/benefits-military/pay-pension-benefits/pay/non-commissioned.html Not sure what your suggesting here ? Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted April 5, 2023 Author Report Posted April 5, 2023 16 hours ago, TreeBeard said: https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/benefits-military/military-housing/locations/esquimalt.html You might have a point if there was enough housing for all military members posted to that base, and i take it you have never seen PMQ's on any base, built in the 50's, meant for families in the 50's, they are very small, not built to todays building codes, not very well insulated, which means you'll pay an arm and a leg for heat and electricity. and most are still heated with home heating oil, not all of them have been upgrade. Due to huge upkeep costs DND has decided to take down lots of PMQ's turning them into empty lots. Housing rates are supposed to be based on the average home in the area, and vary across the country, (DND has just recently cut extra funding to those soldiers that may not be able to afford rent downtown).....some soldiers are paid more to help but it does not cover all the costs (THOSE SOLDIERS IN LOWER PAY CLASSES)... a good portion of the members will live downtown for better accommodations, due to housing (PMQ) shortage, condition of PMQ's. There is a long waiting list to get into PMQ's, waiting times vary on each base some can be over a few years long just to get one. So you PMQ rent source does not tell the whole story, many members are forced to pay rent downtown becasue there simply not enough. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted April 5, 2023 Report Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Not sure what your suggesting here ? Suggesting Military pay is not so bad. They also get additional for being overseas. If I remember correctly, back when we had military in Afghanistan, we got over $800 per month special duty pay (taxable 0f course). Not implying they are not having difficulty but, they were sent to train and probably do not have the admin support they are used to. I know when I was posted to Cacina Costa Italy (Agusta Helicopter), my support was in Geilenkirchen Germany and it took a long time to get get claims and paperwork done. Edited April 5, 2023 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Army Guy Posted April 5, 2023 Author Report Posted April 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Suggesting Military pay is not so bad. They also get additional for being overseas. So because the money is not so bad we don't have to feed soldiers? Have you ever planned an exercise, or event and not included a meal plan to feed your troops, lets not forget this event is 6 to 8 months long... Yes, since there is no danger pay, over seas pay is what 300.00 extra dollars a day, depending on how many tours you have completed... you'd pay more for smokes and the occasional beer in a month... Not every soldier is finical responsible, how many troops did you have to council about money issues, married or single. adding extra finances to their existing problems is not good planning, you as the RSM, what do you do when a kid can not afford to feed themselves... Sorry son, i guess your on a diet...here is a piece of cardboard... Point is soldiers expected to be atleast feed, I have never gone any where in the world for anything in the military and had to buy my own food, shit in Somalia in the middle of no where ,we atleast had Hard rations. Every where else we arranged with other allied in the area to use their facilities... here we just dropped them off and said good luck, see you in 8 months... and to make matters worse everyone knew about this shortfall since January and did nothing to solve it... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted April 5, 2023 Report Posted April 5, 2023 If things are so great why are we so short of people in spite of offering up to 20K in bonuses to join? Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 5, 2023 Report Posted April 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: So because the money is not so bad we don't have to feed soldiers? Have you ever planned an exercise, or event and not included a meal plan to feed your troops, lets not forget this event is 6 to 8 months long... Yes, since there is no danger pay, over seas pay is what 300.00 extra dollars a day, depending on how many tours you have completed... you'd pay more for smokes and the occasional beer in a month... Not every soldier is finical responsible, how many troops did you have to council about money issues, married or single. adding extra finances to their existing problems is not good planning, you as the RSM, what do you do when a kid can not afford to feed themselves... Sorry son, i guess your on a diet...here is a piece of cardboard... Point is soldiers expected to be atleast feed, I have never gone any where in the world for anything in the military and had to buy my own food, shit in Somalia in the middle of no where ,we atleast had Hard rations. Every where else we arranged with other allied in the area to use their facilities... here we just dropped them off and said good luck, see you in 8 months... and to make matters worse everyone knew about this shortfall since January and did nothing to solve it... Not arguing with you. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
TreeBeard Posted April 5, 2023 Report Posted April 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: Ya, now that is perhaps the stupidest thing you said here... nobody said our military is starving... the article was about how grossly the Government, and those in DND are managing this entire file, and the extra cost being passed on to the soldiers and their families who in my opinion have sacrificed enough already, now we are expecting them to pick up the tab for feeding themselves. We all have to buy our own food. They get paid to voluntarily do a job. No one is forcing them. Quote
TreeBeard Posted April 5, 2023 Report Posted April 5, 2023 Army Guy: 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: nobody said our military is starving... Also Army Guy: On 4/4/2023 at 2:56 PM, Army Guy said: our men and women overseas can't afford to feed themselves or their families 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted April 5, 2023 Author Report Posted April 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: We all have to buy our own food. They get paid to voluntarily do a job. No one is forcing them. Yes , most of us do, except prisoners, fire fighters, military on deployments, and while serving your nation in a foreign country, the military 99.99 percent of the time makes food available to troops, for many reasons, soldiers hours are not 8 to 5, they can work 24 hours a day for days at a time, not many polish restaurants open for those hours. Meals times are not regimented, nor are you even guaranteed to get all the meals in one day do to the job, try doing that on civy street...... they are when ever you have time to eat, sometimes that is not for a day or 2..... soldiers work is very physically demanding, and needs a high caloric intake. hence why most Ration packs are 4000 calories per meal. military cooks know this and cook accordingly, So comparing the 2 is not possible...you can't walk off the job, and say going to get something to eat... Yes they do voluntarily do a the job, just like every other Canadian, only this job has each member sign on to unlimited liability, meaning you could be ordered to give up your life or risk your life at any time. And like any job has it's benefits and distractors, being a soldier means working long hours, working 3 or 4 days , 24 hours a day are common, try driving a 25 ton LAV with only 3 hours sleep in the last 7 days.... with out compensation for over time, being called on to risk your life at any time, being away for extended times from family and friends. And the benefits. Well it used to be getting feed, getting to do cool stuff, listening to liberals chirp about how they do the same things as the military does... Canadian citizens are suppose to have an unwritten contract with the military, they defend the country with their life's, while it's citizens ensure they defend the soldiers ensuring they have the right equipment to do the job, and in this case make sure they have simple access to food. And in Canada's case they failed big time... at all levels, government , DND, and you and i... I get it your a a liberal and don't understand or don't want to understand what it is our military does for you and the rest of Canada everyday... Sorry if that is asking to much... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted April 6, 2023 Report Posted April 6, 2023 33 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Canadian citizens are suppose to have an unwritten contract with the military, they defend the country with their life's, while it's citizens ensure they defend the soldiers ensuring they have the right equipment to do the job, and in this case make sure they have simple access to food. I don't think that is actually the case Canada is not a republic, there is no public rule in Canada Canadians are only responsible for selecting MP's to represent them on behalf of the Crown those MP's then swear an oath to the King to bear true & faithful allegiance at which point those MP's are totally responsible for the state of HM Canadian Armed Forces therein Quote
Army Guy Posted April 6, 2023 Author Report Posted April 6, 2023 18 hours ago, Dougie93 said: I don't think that is actually the case Canada is not a republic, there is no public rule in Canada Canadians are only responsible for selecting MP's to represent them on behalf of the Crown those MP's then swear an oath to the King to bear true & faithful allegiance at which point those MP's are totally responsible for the state of HM Canadian Armed Forces therein The voice of the Canadian public has been used many times to make changes not only in the political realm , but in the justice realm as well. remember that women charged with murder, was being transferred to a healing ranch, media got a hold of that and it was public outcry that started the ball rolling to make that change, with out it that women would have been enjoying her steak next to a open fire pit, instead of in her cell. Canada's citizens have the control, that is needed to make change, we just don't use it very well.. and NOTHING about our military is going to change without public input...But they would rather sit on the side lines and watch, So yes they do deserve the blame that has been put on them. I wonder how long it would take to make changes in health care/ education, our security services, immigration, border services, passport offices, if Canadians got up and started protesting like what is happening in France... The government of the day has also a role to play, it is after all them that need to upkeep certain responsibility's like our national security being one...but it is the people that need to hold them accountable when they stop doing the basic functions. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted April 6, 2023 Report Posted April 6, 2023 12 minutes ago, Army Guy said: The voice of the Canadian public has been used many times to make changes not only in the political realm , but in the justice realm as well. remember that women charged with murder, was being transferred to a healing ranch, media got a hold of that and it was public outcry that started the ball rolling to make that change, with out it that women would have been enjoying her steak next to a open fire pit, instead of in her cell. Canada's citizens have the control, that is needed to make change, we just don't use it very well.. and NOTHING about our military is going to change without public input...But they would rather sit on the side lines and watch, So yes they do deserve the blame that has been put on them. I wonder how long it would take to make changes in health care/ education, our security services, immigration, border services, passport offices, if Canadians got up and started protesting like what is happening in France... The government of the day has also a role to play, it is after all them that need to upkeep certain responsibility's like our national security being one...but it is the people that need to hold them accountable when they stop doing the basic functions. there's no such thing as an unwritten contract unwritten & contract are contradictory contracts are by their very nature written that contract is the constitution that constitution says that Canada is a constitutional monarchy and the MP's are responsible it's not a direct democracy where Canadians can vote on defence policy or lack thereof they are bound to sit on the sidelines and watch, other than electing an MP the government at this point is cracking down on protests with martial law so that avenue is blocked to Canadians now as well the healthcare, education, immigration, border & security services are all just as dysfunctional as the military Canada has a political class, and they rule with indifference to the population so I can't blame the Canadian public, since I know they are not in control I'm the Canadian public, and I have no control over it whatsoever, so how can anyone else be responsible ? Quote
Army Guy Posted April 6, 2023 Author Report Posted April 6, 2023 23 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: there's no such thing as an unwritten contract unwritten & contract are contradictory contracts are by their very nature written that contract is the constitution that constitution says that Canada is a constitutional monarchy and the MP's are responsible it's not a direct democracy where Canadians can vote on defence policy or lack thereof they are bound to sit on the sidelines and watch, other than electing an MP the government at this point is cracking down on protests with martial law so that avenue is blocked to Canadians now as well the healthcare, education, immigration, border & security services are all just as dysfunctional as the military Canada has a political class, and they rule with indifference to the population so I can't blame the Canadian public, since I know they are not in control I'm the Canadian public, and I have no control over it whatsoever, so how can anyone else be responsible ? Thats your point i choose the incorrect term or word... According to you Canadians are nothing more than a blob of shit watching from the side lines as life passes them by, that only power is on voting day. and yet history has shown us many examples of when Canadians ban together they become the driving force behind political statements, or actions. Much like the one example i gave you when Canadians stood up and put a halt to the justice system transferring Goldie locks to a healing ranch... Most politicians are driven by PUBLIC opinion, meaning what Canadians want and think... their entire goal in life is to get reelected, and you can't do that by pissing off the people or doing what ever they want...hence why this liberal government is polling on different topics right now i think the poll is about defense. Canadians can make any subject rise to the top of agendas just by speaking out , that includes defense, or any topic... There has been no martial law, no soldiers in the streets... Canadians have every right to protests that law has not been changed or redacted. You have a voice, use it as you did during the convoy, believe or not that event did make changes not only here in Canada but across the globe... The Canadian public own this country, and they can control it's direction through their voices, many people can't see that becasue they can't fathom anything outside of their own little world, but every voice matters... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted April 6, 2023 Report Posted April 6, 2023 18 minutes ago, Army Guy said: The Canadian public own this country, no they don't it literally says in the constitution in black & white, that the King owns all the lands in Canada and there are no property rights in the Charter of Rights & Freedoms being a monarchy means that there is no public rule in Canada the Canadian public is not actually in charge all the Canadian public can do is elect an MP and then hope that said MP bears true & faithful allegiance to the King by these means, the King protects our rights but if the MP doesn't uphold their oath, there is no recourse other than declining to vote for them again Quote
Dougie93 Posted April 6, 2023 Report Posted April 6, 2023 24 minutes ago, Army Guy said: but every voice matters... I would just tell the troops to get out at this point just look at JTF2 Sniper Dallas Alexander one of the best soldiers Canada has ever produced and JTF2 threw him under the bus without a second thought if that is what JTF2 would do to their own world record holding Sniper ? then the rest of the troops are nothing but cannon fodder no doubt so just vote with your feet, get out now, because its only going to get worse just get on with your life, don't look back Quote
Dougie93 Posted April 6, 2023 Report Posted April 6, 2023 39 minutes ago, Army Guy said: According to you Canadians are nothing more than a blob of shit watching from the side lines as life passes them by if you really want to defend the free world with the tools to do the job if you are determined to be a warfighter at the tip of the spear I would look into emigrating to America enlist in the United States Army 75th Ranger Regiment ( Airborne ) Sua Sponte Quote
Dougie93 Posted April 6, 2023 Report Posted April 6, 2023 50 minutes ago, Army Guy said: and yet history has shown us many examples of when Canadians ban together they become the driving force behind political statements, or actions. never in Canadian history has their been a protest movement on behalf of the Canadian troops not even in the First World War not even when the troops were being decimated on the Western Front from Ypres to the Somme the Canadian pubic instead elected the lunatic Sam Hughes to be in charge it wasn't the Canadian public whom saved the Canadian troops to make the Canadian Corps it was a British Aristocrat who did that it was a British Aristocrat, personal friend to King George V, who came to the rescue of the Canadian soldier Field Marshall Julian Byng, 1st Viscount of Vimy General Byng told the King that if he was not put in charge, without interference by the Canadian government then Byng would resign the British High Command then fired the Canadian government, and put Byng in charge of the Canadian Corps Victoria Regina Imperatrix Quote
Army Guy Posted April 6, 2023 Author Report Posted April 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I would just tell the troops to get out at this point just look at JTF2 Sniper Dallas Alexander one of the best soldiers Canada has ever produced and JTF2 threw him under the bus without a second thought if that is what JTF2 would do to their own world record holding Sniper ? then the rest of the troops are nothing but cannon fodder no doubt so just vote with your feet, get out now, because its only going to get worse just get on with your life, don't look back Military has always eaten it's own, ring knockers make the rules, and tilt the tables to suit them...Snipers have always been on the outside it is a trade made up of Non comms, Officers can be in charge of the platoon but they will never hold the qualification. This pisses them off, take a look at the PPCLI snipers on Operation Anaconda, Chain of command refused to allow the US Army to award silver stars and other awards for bravery, becasue someone stuck a smoke in some dead Taliban's mouth and put the sniper platoons calling card in his hands then took a photo...for that it cost some of them their careers, sent to the rear never to sniper again forced to quit... This has always been a source of conflict between ring knockers and non comms , shit ring knockers don't fully except a non comm when they take their commission... It is all part of the brotherhood we joined back in the day, i stay loyal to my comrades in the Bn becasue i felt it is the only people other than my family that i can trust and depend on, they have earned that trust many times over, and we have shared some pretty shitty times together.. And i would serve once again, for those comrades and family if call upon. ..as for Canada or it's people not so much. We knew we were cannon fodder from the start, it was part of the job, to go over the top, to face enemy fire, to close with and destroy the enemy...it was this knowledge that forged that deep bond between all of us, we were going to face mankind at it's worse, kick it in the nuts , take it's life and move on... until it was our time to leave the battle field in a body bag or in some cases sandwich bag. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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