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A Study of the CURRENT State of Liberal and Conservative Ideologies


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1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Jeebus. It's not a conspiracy. The courts and the media are not in cahoots. They are just not gullible lunatics.

Kari Lake's case is the dumbest of all. Republicans did not steal the election from Republicans. There is no issue to debate. There are just sore losers willing to sacrifice anything for their egos -- including the people they claim to want to serve.

And if you hadn't noticed, election denialism isn't an appealing strategy. You will continue to lose (and then pretend you didn't) until you reconnect with reality where the bulk of the electorate live 

 

 

 

It is a conspiracy and it's larger than just the courts. It's in education, religion, technology, media anywhere administrative structure can be invaded and hijacked by a pernicious ideology. 

The evidence is available to the eyes. It is is openly available to anybody who wants to look around and consider it. We used to call it cultural Marxism but others such as Globalists seem to have adopted its strategies.

If your ideological mindset doesn't allow you to observe the obvious then no, you won't see it and you're trained to cry conspiracy against those who do.

As far as the blatantly, sore thumb, obvious election thefts from Arizona candidates including Kari Lake you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Don't feel bad. I've seen your media. You can't be expected to.

And "denialism" is just the new term for heresy against the new "Progressive" religion. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

It is a conspiracy and it's larger than just the courts. It's in education, religion, technology, media anywhere administrative structure can be invaded and hijacked by a pernicious ideology. 

The evidence is available to the eyes. It is is openly available to anybody who wants to look around and consider it. We used to call it cultural Marxism but others such as Globalists seem to have adopted its strategies.

If your ideological mindset doesn't allow you to observe the obvious then no, you won't see it and you're trained to cry conspiracy against those who do.

As far as the blatantly, sore thumb, obvious election thefts from Arizona candidates including Kari Lake you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Don't feel bad. I've seen your media. You can't be expected to.

And "denialism" is just the new term for heresy against the new "Progressive" religion. 

 

Dude, if you actually want to convince anyone of anything you might try facts and evidence. The real kind, objective and verifiable.

Until then, enjoy existing in your be strange conspiracy world of fictional grievances. You may be entertained, but you'll never be relevant.  You should be very grateful for the Internet, because it's a lot more comfortable to stay home in the winter than to stand on a street corner ranting and handing out pamphlets.

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1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Dude, if you actually want to convince anyone of anything you might try facts and evidence. The real kind, objective and verifiable.

 

I might say the same to you. 

But I don't need to. The people I'm talking to are already open to the rational and obvious.

I'll give you some examples. The problem with say, "Equity, diversity, and inclusion" is that it requires control. The decision on what is equal, diverse and inclusive must come from an authority above. They'll need power above the populace to enforce it. They need authority to say, equify (my word, spelling Nazis) and include a new diversity by say opening the border to let 7 million invaders enrich their new society. That is not equal opportunity. It is not choice for American citizens. It is enforced equity of outcome.

Here's another one:

The people I'm talking to (sometimes called the silent majority) don't need data to know Rachel Levine and Sam Brinton are ostensibly abnormal. The American Constitution allows Sam and Rachel to be weird, so that's OK to the average guy or gal. However, if you tell these average people you're going to stuff these weirdos into positions of authority and that openly appears to be based on nothing more than not just normalizing their weirdness but by prioritizing it the average person immediately rejects that. Inductive reasoning tells them that is a bad hiring practice and suggests no good can come of it.

Some of us wonder why such a ludicrous thing would even be proposed, much less enacted. Deductive reasoning tells us the most likely answer when you consider the overwhelming evidence of not just this but similar nutty policies would be a strategy coming from somewhere that some sort of hopeful PTB force wishes to tear down 'what is' followed by the mistaken belief they can "build back better."

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29 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

I might say the same to you. 

But I don't need to. The people I'm talking to are already open to the rational and obvious.

I'll give you some examples. The problem with say, "Equity, diversity, and inclusion" is that it requires control. The decision on what is equal, diverse and inclusive must come from an authority above. They'll need power above the populace to enforce it. They need authority to say, equify (my word, spelling Nazis) and include a new diversity by say opening the border to let 7 million invaders enrich their new society. That is not equal opportunity. It is not choice for American citizens. It is enforced equity of outcome.

Here's another one:

The people I'm talking to (sometimes called the silent majority) don't need data to know Rachel Levine and Sam Brinton are ostensibly abnormal. The American Constitution allows Sam and Rachel to be weird, so that's OK to the average guy or gal. However, if you tell these average people you're going to stuff these weirdos into positions of authority and that openly appears to be based on nothing more than not just normalizing their weirdness but by prioritizing it the average person immediately rejects that. Inductive reasoning tells them that is a bad hiring practice and suggests no good can come of it.

Some of us wonder why such a ludicrous thing would even be proposed, much less enacted. Deductive reasoning tells us the most likely answer when you consider the overwhelming evidence of not just this but similar nutty policies would be a strategy coming from somewhere that some sort of hopeful PTB force wishes to tear down 'what is' followed by the mistaken belief they can "build back better."

I'm sure it makes you feel better to imagine you are part of some silent majority, but the facts don't support that. And the facts do not support your wild conspiracy theories. That's why your can't present facts and evidence in support of your arguments.

Now, a normal, healthy person upon discovering that the facts do not align with their beliefs can adjust their belief to align with facts. Learning. However, the disordered mind turns to paranoia and delusion to protect and preserve the belief. The sky really is green, there's just a conspiracy to call it blue!

Now sure, we all do this in little ways (often when we look in the mirror!) but when you start making big decisions in this state and it negatively impacts your life, and the lives of others, it's time to seek help.

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13 hours ago, Hodad said:

I'm sure it makes you feel better to imagine you are part of some silent majority, but the facts don't support that. And the facts do not support your wild conspiracy theories. That's why your can't present facts and evidence in support of your arguments.

Now, a normal, healthy person upon discovering that the facts do not align with their beliefs can adjust their belief to align with facts. Learning. However, the disordered mind turns to paranoia and delusion to protect and preserve the belief. The sky really is green, there's just a conspiracy to call it blue!

Now sure, we all do this in little ways (often when we look in the mirror!) but when you start making big decisions in this state and it negatively impacts your life, and the lives of others, it's time to seek help.

Interesting.

Does the decision to open the border make a positive or negative impact?

Does trampling on the fossil fuel industry make a positive or negative impact?

How about the vaxx mandates? Did they produce positive or negative effects?

Blowing up Nordstream? All the deficit spending? Anything?

The naked truth is, since the day that blithering, blubbering ijit Biden took power, not a single thing he's done has resulted in a net positive impact on society.

This is Biden's America. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/dfw/news/carrollton-son-fentanyl-poisoning/

Isn't this wonderful?

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7 pages of this study and these are my findings.

1. It is Liberals who turn discussions to mud-slinging contests. It is quite evident that today's Liberal is on a mission to radically change society and any opposing views they feel, must be met with anger.

2. To this very day, Liberals are willing to promote insane ideas like "walls don't work". 

3. This policy of "equity" is destructive. 

4. Liberals are perfectly willing to ignore the death of thousands to the drugs pouring over the southern border.

5. The Liberal mind used to be anti-war. Today's Liberal mind screams for WWIII.

There is an infection being propagated by the modern Liberal. An infection of the soul and of society. It's called "The Great Reset". Nothing about this reset has been a benefit to the population. Yet they push on at the expense of everyone...including themselves.

This is madness. A mania. Up is down and down is up. And the cost...

Mounts.

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18 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

So in another words, is very uncomfortable for you to keep discussions with the opposite side so @Nationalist solution is: 

---> Back to mob politics. Is more comfortable with the herd:

Liberals bad, Populists good. I won. 

- Nationalist

Can you dispute any of my findings?

Or did you simply post this as an attack on me?

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17 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Dispute what? The Arizona Democrats happen to be more conservative than their party members from New York or other areas. 

That's mob politics assuming the Liberal block thinks one way. The Liberal and Conservative block does not think like that.

Us vs Them thinking is brought to you by the social media machine and Television Tribalism. Fox vs MSNBC type of thing. 

  • A true liberal can sit any day with a true conservative and discuss ideas. 
  • The ones, that can not, are called populists in my book, the Mob, group think, lack of reason. 

OK...do it. Discuss the ideas. Dispute my findings. Go ahead...I'm listening.

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2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Interesting.

Does the decision to open the border make a positive or negative impact?

Does trampling on the fossil fuel industry make a positive or negative impact?

How about the vaxx mandates? Did they produce positive or negative effects?

Blowing up Nordstream? All the deficit spending? Anything?

The naked truth is, since the day that blithering, blubbering ijit Biden took power, not a single thing he's done has resulted in a net positive impact on society.

This is Biden's America. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/dfw/news/carrollton-son-fentanyl-poisoning/

Isn't this wonderful?

Right, the media is not talking about the terrible mistakes being made under the Joe Biden regime. Probably because most of the mainstream media is in the hands of just a few, left leaning billionaires who deem themselves activists in shaping world change.

That's why we have WW3 now, but Don Trump was completely unacceptable on every level. He belongs to a different cabal, I would guess.

So the CURRENT state of liberal and conservative ideologies is
- Liberals are progressives who have changed the world from a stable agrarian society that lasted centuries, into the doomed technological shithole we have today. As socialist progs they seek to change it ever further in that direction.
- Conservatives who defend tradition and stability were hijacked by a cabal of religious Alberta preacher-men, whose ideology Canadian liberal society generally rejects, and they can't shake these people off. That's why they cannot hold power. All Poiliever can do is throw a blanket over their heads.

Only this one has a hole in it, for some reason. It could be from Saskatchewan...

;)

Let's hope it all ends quickly...

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How to assume control:

It occurs to some, that the reason elderly folks tend to be "conservative" is that the elderly have 2 qualities the young don't have in any abundance.

Experience and Widsom.

Thus, if one...or let's say 7 ones...want to assume control, the only way to achieve that would be to eliminate experience and wisdom.

In the last decade we've seen a youthful POTUS, deep social divisions, economic chaos, military foolishness, a designer bug that attacked the elderly, and now we stare WWIII in the face.

So...Young Liberals...if you ever succeed in this Great Reset you've all taken to heart. Remember that your new masters...

Will be elderly.

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14 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Your moronic speculations have been duly noted hundreds of times. And your excuse this week Is hunters laptop. So pathetic and weak.

 

You can call it whatever you like.

The fact happens to be that the American people went to the polls believing a lie.

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8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Interesting.

Does the decision to open the border make a positive or negative impact?

Does trampling on the fossil fuel industry make a positive or negative impact?

How about the vaxx mandates? Did they produce positive or negative effects?

Blowing up Nordstream? All the deficit spending? Anything?

The naked truth is, since the day that blithering, blubbering ijit Biden took power, not a single thing he's done has resulted in a net positive impact on society.

This is Biden's America. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/dfw/news/carrollton-son-fentanyl-poisoning/

Isn't this wonderful?

This is a good example. You are listing fiction. The border has not been opened. Never happened. The fossil fuel industry is thriving--for both good and ill. What vaxx mandates? And I still can't tell if you think that the US government physically sabotaged a pipeline, because that's really far down the conspiracy rabbit hole. 

Deficit spending to stave off crisis (as in times of war etc.) is fine and strategically sound. But if you're not a fan of deficit spending you'll surely appreciate that deficits have come down from Trump levels under the Biden administration. 

Lemme know if you want to talk about facts and evidence rather than what's happening in your imagination. 

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9 minutes ago, Hodad said:

The border has not been opened. Never happened.

Our PM sure made it sound like our border was open. -

Trudeau’s viral tweet – sent out shortly after Donald Trump moved to ban travellers from several Muslim-majority countries last January – read: “To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada.”

He had to recant this open invitation six months later, after a lot of damage was done.

“Our system now is in shambles, and I think a lot of this has to do with the messaging — the inconsistent messaging — that has been coming out of Justin Trudeau’s personal communication shop,” said MP Michelle Rempel,

It's unsafe for the migrants, too if all we can offer them and their families when they come here is to live in a ghetto. You better join the gang, little homie.

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14 minutes ago, Hodad said:

This is a good example. You are listing fiction. The border has not been opened. Never happened. The fossil fuel industry is thriving--for both good and ill. What vaxx mandates? And I still can't tell if you think that the US government physically sabotaged a pipeline, because that's really far down the conspiracy rabbit hole. 

Deficit spending to stave off crisis (as in times of war etc.) is fine and strategically sound. But if you're not a fan of deficit spending you'll surely appreciate that deficits have come down from Trump levels under the Biden administration. 

Lemme know if you want to talk about facts and evidence rather than what's happening in your imagination. 

Incredible.

You can actually say the border is not open and expect respectful discussion? You hide behind the word "refugee" knowing over 2,000,000 assorted people simply walked across the border and give themselves up. And let's not forget all the "got-aways" that can only be guessed at.

The fossil fuel industry is thriving...which is a major reason for all the inflation. No kidding man. Are you this blind? Or are you simply being stubborn?

The vaxx mandates that forced thousands from their jobs. 

And yes. I'm afraid Biden had those pipelines blown up.

It's concerning that you apparently live in this cozy little reality you've concocted. 

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22 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Incredible.

You can actually say the border is not open and expect respectful discussion? You hide behind the word "refugee" knowing over 2,000,000 assorted people simply walked across the border and give themselves up. And let's not forget all the "got-aways" that can only be guessed at.

The fossil fuel industry is thriving...which is a major reason for all the inflation. No kidding man. Are you this blind? Or are you simply being stubborn?

The vaxx mandates that forced thousands from their jobs. 

And yes. I'm afraid Biden had those pipelines blown up.

It's concerning that you apparently live in this cozy little reality you've concocted. 

Is there a border? Is there a border patrol? Is there fencing and gates etc? Are some people being tuned back? Are the people meet the standards for asylum seekers being properly and legally processed? If yes to the above, the border is not farking open.

Just one post ago you said the fossil fuel industry was trampled. Now you agree that it's thriving. Can you have a talk with yourself and then get back to me after you two have worked out your differences?

Link to a federal US vax mandate, please? Happy to address on a case by case basis when you identify something real and specific..

As for your pipeline sabotage conspiracy theory, there's not really anything to discuss there. Let me know when you have more than just your vivid imagination to debate.

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23 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Is there a border? Is there a border patrol? Is there fencing and gates etc? Are some people being tuned back? Are the people meet the standards for asylum seekers being properly and legally processed? If yes to the above, the border is not farking open.

Just one post ago you said the fossil fuel industry was trampled. Now you agree that it's thriving. Can you have a talk with yourself and then get back to me after you two have worked out your differences?

Link to a federal US vax mandate, please? Happy to address on a case by case basis when you identify something real and specific..

As for your pipeline sabotage conspiracy theory, there's not really anything to discuss there. Let me know when you have more than just your vivid imagination to debate.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/health-care-vaccine-mandate-remains-push-end-97317120

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/us-vaccine-mandate-military_n_63a62926e4b0cbfd55dbc65a

No I agree they made money. That does not mean the industry isn't being squelched by the government policies. You should really stop this line of argument. You're embarrassing yourself.

And...you can deny that Biden had those pipelines sabatoged, but again...you just embarass yourself.

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48 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/health-care-vaccine-mandate-remains-push-end-97317120

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/us-vaccine-mandate-military_n_63a62926e4b0cbfd55dbc65a

No I agree they made money. That does not mean the industry isn't being squelched by the government policies. You should really stop this line of argument. You're embarrassing yourself.

And...you can deny that Biden had those pipelines sabatoged, but again...you just embarass yourself.

Yes, both of those mandates seem to be smart and helpful. Thanks for identifying what you were referring to.

Oh, this conversation about oil seems familiar. I assume you still have no facts to support your argument that an industry has been "squelched" to near-record domestic production and record profits? Meanwhile, the facts contradict every claim you make. We should all be so lucky to enjoy such a squelching.

And a totally unsubstantiated claim about international sabotage, without even a smidgen of evidence Wheeee!

You've invented your own little reality. 

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28 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Yes, both of those mandates seem to be smart and helpful. Thanks for identifying what you were referring to.

Oh, this conversation about oil seems familiar. I assume you still have no facts to support your argument that an industry has been "squelched" to near-record domestic production and record profits? Meanwhile, the facts contradict every claim you make. We should all be so lucky to enjoy such a squelching.

And a totally unsubstantiated claim about international sabotage, without even a smidgen of evidence Wheeee!

You've invented your own little reality. 

The facts are in you heating bill, your electricity bill, your gas tank, the cost of pretty much everything you buy.

Gawd what's wrong with some people?

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14 hours ago, Nationalist said:

The facts are in you heating bill, your electricity bill, your gas tank, the cost of pretty much everything you buy.

Gawd what's wrong with some people?

Good question. What IS wrong with some people? How, after pages and pages of spoon-feeding might a person still not understand that prices for a global commodity are dictated by a global marketplace? One would have to be pretty farking dense, no?

We are a net energy exporter. We are producing more than we use. Prices aren't high because of lack of domestic production. That is simply NOT how supply and demand works. Those are facts. 

Given those facts, how the hell are you STILL trying to blame Biden? Is he an all powerful wizard who can control supply in other countries or set prices in a global market? And to add insult to ignorance, you mock him for diplomatic efforts to lower prices. 

You don't even have the beginning of a plausible explanation for a mechanism by which he is responsible, let alone data to back it up, so you just keep repeating the same dumb statements over and over. Trolltastic!

 

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6 hours ago, Hodad said:

Good question. What IS wrong with some people? How, after pages and pages of spoon-feeding might a person still not understand that prices for a global commodity are dictated by a global marketplace? One would have to be pretty farking dense, no?

We are a net energy exporter. We are producing more than we use. Prices aren't high because of lack of domestic production. That is simply NOT how supply and demand works. Those are facts. 

Given those facts, how the hell are you STILL trying to blame Biden? Is he an all powerful wizard who can control supply in other countries or set prices in a global market? And to add insult to ignorance, you mock him for diplomatic efforts to lower prices. 

You don't even have the beginning of a plausible explanation for a mechanism by which he is responsible, let alone days to back it up, so you just keep repeating the same dumb statements over and over. Trolltastic!

 

And...this is another major hurdle I now understand. 

Liberals, too many of them, will actually deny reality, in order to "defend the faith".

Exhibit A: This exchange with Hodad. This twisted soul will likely go to his grave believing the nonsense he's shoveling. No danger here...

https://dailycaller.com/2023/02/14/biden-admin-strategic-oil-lowest-level-decades/

It's one thing to argue for political preferences. It's quite another to willingly lie in order to argue a point that isn't even political, simply for the sake of "defending the faith".

Exhibit B: "Walls don't work." This has to be the dumbest thing I've heard in years. Say it with me...

"Walls don't work."

Feels pretty Gawd Damn stupid, doesn't it.

So I guess the next logical question has to be...How can a rational person come to any sort of reasonable conclusion, with people who are perfectly willing to deny reality?

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8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And...this is another major hurdle I now understand. 

Liberals, too many of them, will actually deny reality, in order to "defend the faith".

Exhibit A: This exchange with Hodad. This twisted soul will likely go to his grave believing the nonsense he's shoveling. No danger here...

https://dailycaller.com/2023/02/14/biden-admin-strategic-oil-lowest-level-decades/

It's one thing to argue for political preferences. It's quite another to willingly lie in order to argue a point that isn't even political, simply for the sake of "defending the faith".

Exhibit B: "Walls don't work." This has to be the dumbest thing I've heard in years. Say it with me...

"Walls don't work."

Feels pretty Gawd Damn stupid, doesn't it.

So I guess the next logical question has to be...How can a rational person come to any sort of reasonable conclusion, with people who are perfectly willing to deny reality?

That is some first rate projection. When the data contradicts your claims entirely, you simply repeat your unsubstantiated claims. Literally, denying and ignoring reality.

Are you not aware of this? Or is this simply more trolling? 

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1 minute ago, Hodad said:

That is some first rate projection. When the data contradicts your claims entirely, you simply repeat your unsubstantiated claims. Literally, denying and ignoring reality.

Are you not aware of this? Or is this simply more trolling? 

Ya ya yaaa...like I said, you'll go to your grave believing this garbage. More's the pity.

In the meantime...the public knows...

https://heavy.com/news/i-did-that-biden-stickers-gas-stations-video-meaning/

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ya ya yaaa...like I said, you'll go to your grave believing this garbage. More's the pity.

In the meantime...the public knows...

https://heavy.com/news/i-did-that-biden-stickers-gas-stations-video-meaning/

 

 

What is the point of that link? Remedial vandalism appeals to bog stupid people?

But you do make a good point. I will go to my grave believing well researched and reasoned arguments supported by data. While you'll go to your grave believing a "bumper" sticker. That surely sums up the difference between us.

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