Risk your life by breaking into someone's home?

[reason10]

Points are numbered, mostly for discussion by what few educated (read, CONSERVATIVES) there are here.

1. A burglary with people inside the home is different from a burglary where the family is away on vacation. (Gee, Batman. I could tell that by just looking at the lights on at night and the cars in the driveway.) That kind of burglary suggests the animal is only after property.

2. A home invasion should ALWAYS be considered a threat to life, even if some punk's dumb ass mother thinks the brat needed robbery to be able to afford shoes and school supplies. Most home invasions involve either a murder or a rape. Certainly the animals will not allow the innocent victims to live to identify them in court.

3. A home owner facing a home invasion is ALWAYS afraid and will be shooting totally out of fear. He/she will be lucky to hit ANYTHING with that gun. The LAST thing he/she will be thinking is whether or not the animal trying to break in is in fact just a high school boy who wants to go to college but can't afford school supplies. That animal coming through the window is a dangerous human being who probably will commit murder.

4. For some reason, (at least here in Florida) you don't see that many home invasions in homes of competition shooters. I've known a few of these fellows, (back when guns were my hobby as well.) They have expensive handguns and rifles. They have ammunition reloading equipment in their homes. Some of them even have shooting galleries in the home. They are well known in their small towns, and for some reason the animals steer clear of their homes. In one of these counties, a Sheriff even had the balls to get up and warn the animals that gun owners who blow their sorry asses away would not face prosecution for legally defending their homes. Some might even have signs at their front doors at night.

5. A home (in ANY PART of the state or city) SHOULD be considered a true safe space, safe from weather and from predators. Since there are more predators, (thanks to Democrats passing no cash bail laws and letting in illegal alien animals from every shee ite hole in the world) a home is not always a safe space.

6. A home should NEVER be a safe space for a scumbag.  Anyone who tries to break into a home at night, knowing there are people inside, has forfeited his right to life and deserves whatever he gets, simple as that.

7. If you don't want to DIE, don't break into homes. There is no excuse. And if you do, YOU DESERVE TO DIE. Horribly.

Edited January 4, 2023 by reason10

[TreeBeard]

2 hours ago, reason10 said:

you don't see that many home invasions in homes of competition shooters.

How does a burglar tell that a competition shooter owns a particular home so they can avoid it?

[herbie]

Ranting psychopath starts another thread on same subject....

[reason10]

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

How does a burglar tell that a competition shooter owns a particular home so they can avoid it?

Here's a novel solution for the burglar: GET A REAL JOB. Assume ALL homes are populated with competition shooters who will kill you if you try to break in.

Abandoning a life of crime (whether to commit rape or just to steal jewelry to sell in order to pay college tuition) is always the wise choice.

[reason10]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Ranting psychopath starts another thread on same subject....

Ignorant uneducated TROLL can't stand this thing called FREE SPEECH.

And Earth to Individual who resembles the unwashed anus of a  mule, if I want to create a HUNDRED threads on the same subject, there's not a fcking thing you or your fellow NAZIS can do to stop me. Sieg Heil, bee itch.

Edited January 4, 2023 by reason10

[TreeBeard]

37 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Here's a novel solution for the burglar: GET A REAL JOB. Assume ALL homes are populated with competition shooters who will kill you if you try to break in.

Abandoning a life of crime (whether to commit rape or just to steal jewelry to sell in order to pay college tuition) is always the wise choice.

You said competition shooters don’t get robbed…. How does the burglar know where competition shooters live?  Simple question….  Stay focused…. Try not to go off on a loony ranting tangent. 

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

How does a burglar tell that a competition shooter owns a particular home so they can avoid it?

Thats easy listen to the person making the 911 call..... It's all in the way you phone 911, in a Canadian home it would be my home is being broken into please send the police please hurry...I'm scared...

A shooters home ya, in the USA,  i got some dead guy on my front steps can you send someone over to pick it up, it's starting to attract wild life...no hurry.

[reason10]

13 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

You said competition shooters don’t get robbed…. How does the burglar know where competition shooters live?  Simple question….  Stay focused…. Try not to go off on a loony ranting tangent. 

Oh, it doesn't matter if the animal knows or doesn't know about competition shooters. If the animal tries to do a home invasion, that animal is room temperature. So whether or not the animal is smart enough to know where the competition shooter is, that animal's criminal career ends the first time he thinks he is surprising a competition shooter in his own home at night. (Oh, and competition shooters might as well be Harvard lawyers when it comes to local gun laws and how to defend themselves in court.)

In the small Florida county I had referred to, it's kind of like Mayberry. Everybody knows everybody. And a LOT of good ole boys are competition shooters. Rumor mills are pretty active in small towns. I've been to some of these gatherings at gun ranges, where you pretty much need to just leave the headphones on all day, the sounds are so loud.

These small towns have these quaint politically incorrect buildings called CHURCHES (and I don't mean the fried chicken franchise) where family men with jobs show up once a week to give thanks for their good fortune) and a lot of rumors are bandied about. For some reason, scumbags don't seem to wind up in family friendly situations.

There are a few subtle hints, though, (for the scumbag who would like to see his 25th birthday.) Things like NRA stickers on the owner's car; beware of dog signs (to accompany the barking of German shepherds and pit bulls inside; maybe an engine block that is suspended from a large tree with ropes; subtle little hints like that.

(I have given you complete details. If you think it is a rant, then you've never attended a public school past the third grade.

[reason10]

13 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Thats easy listen to the person making the 911 call..... It's all in the way you phone 911, in a Canadian home it would be my home is being broken into please send the police please hurry...I'm scared...

A shooters home ya, in the USA,  i got some dead guy on my front steps can you send someone over to pick it up, it's starting to attract wild life...no hurry.

Even in America, it is always wise to call 911, especially in urban areas where a gun owner might have to waste several animals just to get from his car to his front door. The police are very useful in all of this. Besides documenting that the dead animal was a criminal with several warrants out for his arrest, the cops also are able to remove the carcass thus saving the shooter the task.

[TreeBeard]

More often than shooting robbers, gun owners end up dead themselves.  Or their family members.
 

 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/
 

[TreeBeard]

https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/news/2022/12/younger-brother-fired-gun-in-tragic-accidental-shooting-of-11-year-old-boy-in-allentown-da-says.html

An 11-year-old boy was fatally shot Tuesday night by his younger brother, after the family unexpectedly stopped to see relatives in Allentown, the Lehigh County district attorney announced Wednesday.

District Attorney Jim Martin said the victim’s 10-year-old brother accidentally shot him with a gun owned by a relative who lived at the home in the 600 block of North Front Street in the city.

Martin said the 10-year-old boy and the relative, a 24-year-old man that lives in the home, will not be prosecuted; no one has been identified by authorities.

[reason10]

20 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

More often than shooting robbers, gun owners end up dead themselves.  Or their family members.
 

 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/
 

Your left wing OPINION piece is wrong. It shows no actual statistics. I on the other hand have RELIABLE sources which show the opposite.

https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm/

A. Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict

* Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year — or about 6,850 times a day. [1] This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives. [2]

* Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.[3]

* As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.[4]

* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of “Guns in America” — a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.[5]

* Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).[6] And readers of Newsweek learned that “only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The ‘error rate’ for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high.”[7]

* Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use handguns to protect themselves over 1.9 million times a year. [8] Many of these self-defense handguns could be labeled as “Saturday Night Specials.”

B. Concealed carry laws help reduce crime

* Nationwide: one-half million self-defense uses. Every year, as many as one-half million citizens defend themselves with a firearm away from home. [9] * Concealed carry laws are dropping crime rates across the country. A comprehensive national study determined in 1996 that violent crime fell after states made it legal to carry concealed firearms. The results of the study showed:

* States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder rate by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%; [10] and * If those states not having concealed carry laws had adopted such laws in 1992, then approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated assaults and over 11,000 robberies would have been avoided yearly.[11]

* Vermont: one of the safest five states in the country. In Vermont, citizens can carry a firearm without getting permission… without paying a fee… or without going through any kind of government-imposed waiting period. And yet for ten years in a row, Vermont has remained one of the top-five, safest states in the union — having three times received the “Safest State Award.”[12]

Gee! Speaking of Florida...

* Florida: concealed carry helps slash the murder rates in the state. In the fifteen years following the passage of Florida’s concealed carry law in 1987, over 800,000 permits to carry firearms were issued to people in the state. [13] FBI reports show that the homicide rate in Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell 52% during that 15-year period — thus putting the Florida rate below the national average. [14]

* Do firearms carry laws result in chaos? No. Consider the case of Florida. A citizen in the Sunshine State is far more likely to be attacked by an alligator than to be assaulted by a concealed carry holder.

1. During the first fifteen years that the Florida law was in effect, alligator attacks outpaced the number of crimes committed by carry holders by a 229 to 155 margin.

2. And even the 155 “crimes” committed by concealed carry permit holders are somewhat misleading as most of these infractions resulted from Floridians who accidentally carried their firearms into restricted areas, such as an airport. [15]

 

[TreeBeard]

4 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Florida: concealed carry helps slash the murder rates in the state. In the fifteen years following the passage of Florida’s concealed carry law in 1987

So what dropped California’s murder rate by more than half for the same time period?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_California#State_statistics

Edited January 5, 2023 by TreeBeard

[reason10]

26 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

More often than shooting robbers, gun owners end up dead themselves.  Or their family members.
 

 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/
 

Yes, we figured out out. UnScientific American is a left wing gun grabbing rag. The facts, (from reliable sources) are different from USAM's opinions.

https://www.uslawshield.com/has-gun-control-saved-lives/

In 2016, the U.S. Department of Justice released a survey of prison inmates detailing how they got their hands on the guns they used in crimes or had on them during the commission of crimes. The survey was done on a national level of both state and federal prisons.

Of those who possessed firearms in the crimes they were currently doing time for, nearly 90 percent got their guns in ways that didn’t involve retail sales. The remaining 10 percent obtained guns through various other methods and “about 1.3% of prisoners obtained a gun from a retail source and used it during their offense.” Frequently, criminals admitted getting their guns by stealing them, with some claiming to have found the guns at the scene of the crime. Many also got their guns off the street in the form of an underground market. As for the so-called “gun show loophole,” only 0.8 percent reported getting their guns from gun shows.

Takeaway: criminals do criminal acts to get their hands on guns. Hence, implementing further gun control laws seems unlikely to help matters.

Gee! Speaking of heavy gun contolled states...

States with strict gun control laws in place don’t necessarily have lower overall crime rates. For example, the state with the most school shootings is California, which, while it is the most populous state, has some of the most restrictive firearms laws in the country.

Oh, I have even MORE scientific and reliable sources here:

https://www.heritage.org/firearms/commentary/11-more-examples-how-firearms-save-gun-owners-lives-property

Every month this year, we have highlighted just some of the many times law-abiding citizens used their firearms to defend themselves or others. (You can read past articles here: January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, and October). Unsurprisingly, November was also replete with similar stories of Americans using guns to save lives and livelihoods.

• Nov. 2, Everett, Washington: A concealed-carry permit holder intervened to stop a mentally disturbed man who was endangering drivers by throwing chunks of concrete and metal pipes at cars passing by on the interstate. The man had damaged almost a dozen cars and was holding a large piece of metal when the permit holder drew his handgun and detained the man until police could arrive. One of the drivers whose car was damaged told reporters that she was thankful the permit holder saved her and other drivers from further harm. 
• Nov. 5, Genesee County, New York: A 76-year-old man used his shotgun to fend off an armed home intruder, potentially saving both his life and the life of his wife. The man responded to a knock on his door during the night, only to have the intruder force his way inside at gunpoint and tell the couple to give him all their money or else he would kill them. The intruder then ordered the couple to go into the basement, where the man thought the intruder was going to kill them. Instead, the man was able to grab his loaded shotgun and shoot the intruder in the hip, then held him at gunpoint for 15 minutes until police could arrive. 
• Nov. 7, Glen Burnie, Maryland: A man was feeding chickens in his yard when his bulldog began frantically barking, and he heard commotion from inside his home. He walked inside to find two acquaintances had broken in and, armed with a gun and a knife, were assaulting his girlfriend. The man grabbed an antique shotgun that he kept loaded “in case anything ever happens,” and fired at the attackers, injuring one and causing the other to run away. The man told reporters: “They could have shot and killed both of us, and then what? The guys could have got away scot-free. But no, I am an American. I’m going to have my gun, and I’m going to shoot [intruders] when they enter my house.”
• Nov. 10, Atascocita, Texas: A group of four masked would-be robbers charged into a jewelry store and began using hammers to smash into glass cases and grab expensive items. The storeowner saw the thieves from behind the one-way mirror in his office, grabbed his gun, and fired several rounds that wounded two thieves and sent all of them running. The four thieves were later arrested by law enforcement, and all of the stolen items were recovered. 
• Nov. 14, Port Charlotte, Florida: A disabled New York City firefighter recovering from serious injuries relied on his handgun for protection against a masked woman who broke into his home and assaulted him. The firefighter, suffering from a herniated disc in his back and a broken pelvis, warned the woman he was armed, but she punched his jaw and throat, and attempted to gouge his eyes. As the struggle continued, he feared he would be overpowered and shot the woman once in the stomach, causing her to flee the scene. She was subsequently arrested. 
• Nov. 17, Burlington, North Carolina: A homeowner used his shotgun to defend himself against an ax-wielding man who tried to break into his home through a back door. The homeowner did not need to fire his weapon, as the would-be intruder fled the moment he saw there would be an armed confrontation. Police later arrested the intruder and charged him with breaking and entering with the intent to commit a felony. 
• Nov. 21, Benton Harbor, Michigan: Two armed intruders broke into an apartment and ordered the occupants—including three children—to “get down.” The apartment renter heard the commotion from a separate room, grabbed his rifle, and shot at the intruders, killing one and sending the other fleeing. No one else in the apartment was harmed during the home invasion. 
• Nov. 25, Miami: When a man armed with an AK-47 attempted to rob a 60-year-old concealed-carry permit holder who was in his van, his son, and girlfriend, the permit holder drew his handgun and killed the would-be robber. The permit holder, who told reporters he is originally from Jamaica and a member of the National Rifle Association, said, “I am going to defend my life and those I love. My family is innocent, and just don’t put an AK-47 in my face. I will not allow that to happen.”
• Nov. 27, Tulsa, Oklahoma: A man high on the drug PCP began stabbing his friend with a knife after the friend declined to give the man a ride. The friend, in fear for his life, pulled out his firearm and shot the man, who ultimately died from his wounds. The friend suffered serious injuries, but survived. Tulsa police said they think the shooting was justified. 
• Nov. 28, McCleary, Washington: A woman shot and killed her estranged husband after he broke into her house and attacked her and a friend with a knife. The woman already had a domestic violence protection order issued against the husband. In a statement to a local news station, she explained, “If it’s your life or theirs, you have to do what you have to do.”
• Nov. 30, Ellenwood, Georgia: A deliveryman was unloading an order of bread at a Hardee’s fast-food restaurant when he saw several employees run out of the store in a panic, screaming for help. They told him that an armed robber had entered the store and was demanding cash while threatening other employees with a gun. The deliveryman grabbed his firearm from his truck and ran into the store. A gunbattle ensued, and the robber, who was shot several times, fled the scene. The wounded robber was later arrested. The local sheriff’s department named
• the deliveryman an honorary deputy and inducted him into its Posse Hall of Fame. 

The conclusion is pretty simple:

1. If you don't like guns, don't buy one. I don't like guns. I don't own any. But my neighbor is welcome to have a Sherman Tank on his lawn, if he wants to deal with the anal Homeowner's Association. I believe in the United States Constitution.

2. Guns are merely tools. They make a criminal's life easier, and they also save the life of that criminal's victims. Problem is, the Woke Democrats are pro CRIME.

3. The United States Constitution is very clear. If you live in another country and you don't like the United States Constitution, my advice to you would be not to move here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[reason10]

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So what dropped California’s murder rate by more than half for the same time period?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_California#State_statistics

Nothing. Wiki is full of schite.

And you must be high on meth. California (which lets in violent illegal aliens and gives them drivers licenses illegally) which has passed no cash bail policies in some places, WHICH HAS A MASSIVE EXODUS OF BUSINESS OWNERS LEAVING THE STATE BECAUSE OF VIOLENT CRIME, and somehow you think the murder rate has gone down in that third world hell hole? Are you high on crack?

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

Nothing. Wiki is full of schite.

And you must be high on meth. California (which lets in violent illegal aliens and gives them drivers licenses illegally) which has passed no cash bail policies in some places, WHICH HAS A MASSIVE EXODUS OF BUSINESS OWNERS LEAVING THE STATE BECAUSE OF VIOLENT CRIME, and somehow you think the murder rate has gone down in that third world hell hole? Are you high on crack?

So, you believe the Florida numbers have gone down.  But when it’s shown that California’s has gone down nearly identically, you assume it’s some sort of conspiracy.  
 

Did I get that correct?

[ironstone]

4 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

So, you believe the Florida numbers have gone down.  But when it’s shown that California’s has gone down nearly identically, you assume it’s some sort of conspiracy.  
 

Did I get that correct?

Chicago has some pretty strict gun control laws. It hasn't cut the murder rate. In fact, the number of shootings is very high.

Chicago shootings: 30 shot, 8 killed in weekend gun violence across city, police say - ABC7 Chicago

Another typical weekend in Democrat run Chicago.

[reason10]

18 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

So, you believe the Florida numbers have gone down.  But when it’s shown that California’s has gone down nearly identically, you assume it’s some sort of conspiracy.  
 

Did I get that correct?

I consider the sources. In Florida we have an educated population, the greatest economy, the greatest schools and the smartest most popular governor in history. California is a third world schithole, with ZERO middle class, an exploding homeless population, an incompetent Governor, people leaving heroin needles and piles of human manure on the sidewalk and giving drivers licenses to illegal alien animals who violate the border. California has a no cash bail system for violent criminals, which means they are out on the streets.

And if you trust ANY left wing source whatsoever to report on California's crime and economy with any kind of accuracy, you are just plain stupid/

[reason10]

Boys and girls, I have ZERO problem with effective gun control. But it has to be gun control that is aimed ONLY at criminals.

A few years after Florida decided to grow a brain and quit electing Democrat governors, our legislature and Governor Jeb Bush passed a bill called 10-20-LIFE. It was (and still is) the ONLY reasonable gun control law on ANY books in the United State because it targets ONLY the criminal.

Bring a gun to a crime and you get ten years automatically.

Fire the gun at a crime and you get TWENTY years automatically.

If you shoot someone, (whether he/she dies or not) LIFE IMPRISONMENT automatically.

Unlike Nazi gun laws like in Chicago (which have had ZERO EFFECT ON VIOLENT CRIME) the Florida law targets ONLY the criminal.

And I'm sure there will be some more onz here who will have a problem targeting ONLY CRIMINALS with gun control.

I'll even go a step further. Illegal aliens should NOT be permitted to own or even TOUCH a firearm. Simple possession of a gun should mean instant deportation of the animal.

[Nationalist]

On 1/5/2023 at 12:09 PM, TreeBeard said:

More often than shooting robbers, gun owners end up dead themselves.  Or their family members.
 

 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/
 

Why is this your concern?

[Nationalist]

On 1/6/2023 at 8:47 AM, reason10 said:

Boys and girls, I have ZERO problem with effective gun control. But it has to be gun control that is aimed ONLY at criminals.

A few years after Florida decided to grow a brain and quit electing Democrat governors, our legislature and Governor Jeb Bush passed a bill called 10-20-LIFE. It was (and still is) the ONLY reasonable gun control law on ANY books in the United State because it targets ONLY the criminal.

Bring a gun to a crime and you get ten years automatically.

Fire the gun at a crime and you get TWENTY years automatically.

If you shoot someone, (whether he/she dies or not) LIFE IMPRISONMENT automatically.

Unlike Nazi gun laws like in Chicago (which have had ZERO EFFECT ON VIOLENT CRIME) the Florida law targets ONLY the criminal.

And I'm sure there will be some more onz here who will have a problem targeting ONLY CRIMINALS with gun control.

I'll even go a step further. Illegal aliens should NOT be permitted to own or even TOUCH a firearm. Simple possession of a gun should mean instant deportation of the animal.

I agree completely with your reasoning, but I think it might be the term "animal" that's got these few all wound up.

Oh BTW...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/01/13/most-dangerous-states-in-america-violent-crime-murder-rate/40968963/

 

[reason10]

14 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I agree completely with your reasoning, but I think it might be the term "animal" that's got these few all wound up.

Oh BTW...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/01/13/most-dangerous-states-in-america-violent-crime-murder-rate/40968963/

 

If the retards here are triggered by calling an animal an animal, I'm just glad they make up a minority of America.

[TreeBeard]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Why is this your concern?

It’s not my concern, but this is a discussion forum.   It’s just a fact that the guns, guns, guns people in USA tend to ignore.  I’m in Canada…. they can shoot each other all they want and it’s not my concern.  

[Nationalist]

42 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

It’s not my concern, but this is a discussion forum.   It’s just a fact that the guns, guns, guns people in USA tend to ignore.  I’m in Canada…. they can shoot each other all they want and it’s not my concern.  

If gun owners shoot themselves, that is their responsibility and not a reason to curtail legal gun ownership.

You Libbies are so...warped.

You all know the incredibly vast majority of gun crimes are committed by criminals usually with illegally obtained guns, yet you all howl like butt-hurt puppies about legal gun owners.

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

If gun owners shoot themselves, that is their responsibility and not a reason to curtail legal gun ownership.

You Libbies are so...warped.

You all know the incredibly vast majority of gun crimes are committed by criminals usually with illegally obtained guns, yet you all howl like butt-hurt puppies about legal gun owners.

You think they just shoot themselves?  LOL 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/08/virginia-teacher-shooting-by-six-year-old

Instances of children shooting themselves or others unintentionally in the home or other locations, are on the rise, said Daniel Webster, a gun violence expert professor at Johns Hopkins University.

“A six-year-old gaining access to a loaded gun and shooting him/herself or someone else, sadly, is not so rare,” Webster told the AP.

Edited January 8, 2023 by TreeBeard