Aristides Posted July 5, 2022 Report Share Posted July 5, 2022 33 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: this isn't men vs women plenty of women agree that it's up to state to decide and most of them want some restrictions placed on abortion What is plenty? Certainly not a majority. If men don't want it to be men vs women, men should stay out of it because abortions do not apply to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2022 Report Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Aristides said: What is plenty? Certainly not a majority. If men don't want it to be men vs women, men should stay out of it because abortions do not apply to them. men should not stay out of it it's their child too the vast majority of women are in favor of abortion restrictions yet you want to impose your beliefs on them while pretending it's the other side who wants to do that Edited July 5, 2022 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) Since when is letting someone choose for themselves, imposing my beliefs on anyone? Until men can get abortions, they should definitely stay out of it. Edited July 6, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, Aristides said: Since when is letting someone choose for themselves, imposing my beliefs on anyone? Until men can get abortions, they should definitely stay out of it. you are imposing your beliefs on states and people in those states who want to restrict abortion women are not the only people who abortion effects just because they are the only ones who can have an abortion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: you are imposing your beliefs on states and people in those states who want to restrict abortion women are not the only people who abortion effects just because they are the only ones who can have an abortion Yes they want to take away the right to choose and impose their ideology on others. They pretty much are because they are the only ones who can have an abortion. Men are entitled to an opinion. That's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Aristides said: Yes they want to take away the right to choose and impose their ideology on others. They pretty much are because they are the only ones who can have an abortion. Men are entitled to an opinion. That's all. they are entitled to effect legislation as well if you don't like that, too bad there is no right to choose to kill babies the states are free to restrict abortion as they see fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: they are entitled to effect legislation as well if you don't like that, too bad there is no right to choose to kill babies the states are free to restrict abortion as they see fit If society forces women to have babies, society should be prepared to look after them. It's the least they can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Aristides said: If society forces women to have babies, society should be prepared to look after them. It's the least they can do. they are that's what adoption is for no one is forcing women to be mothers they have the right to choose not to be they don't have the right to kill babies though there is a difference Edited July 6, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: they are that's what adoption is for no one is forcing women to be mothers they have the right to choose not to be they don't have the right to kill babies though there is a difference Adoption is done by individuals, not society. By forcing women to have children you are forcing them to be mothers. That's the thing about you so called pro lifers. Once they are born, you lose interest in them, your work is done and you no longer give a shit.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Aristides said: Adoption is done by individuals, not society. By forcing women to have children you are forcing them to be mothers. That's the thing about you so called pro lifers. Once they are born, you lose interest in them, your work is done and you no longer give a shit.. false women are free to give up their children for adoption no one is forcing them to be mothers and pro lifers care what happens to children after birth none of what you said is remotely close to true Edited July 6, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 There are over 400,000 American kids in foster care. Why is no one adopting them and how did they become foster kids? If you don't know, you don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Aristides said: There are over 400,000 American kids in foster care. Why is no one adopting them and how did they become foster kids? If you don't know, you don't care. foster care is yet another option no women are forced to be mothers and society takes care of kids after birth including many prolifers who you claim don't care the wait to adopt kids in the foster care is too long the backlog of kids get older and there are other adoption options that don't have the same red tape and younger kids to adopt so naturally many people choose the other options Edited July 6, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: foster care is yet another option no women are forced to be mothers and society takes care of kids after birth including many prolifers who you claim don't care the wait to adopt kids in the foster care is too long the backlog of kids get older and there are other adoption options that don't have the same red tape and younger kids to adopt so naturally many people choose the other options Option for who? Does the kid get a choice? What does society do for kids born into poverty because their mothers were forced to give birth? Why is the wait to adopt foster kids any longer? People want newborns, not kids that may have issues. What chance does a kid with fetal alcohol syndrome or other issues due to a mother's drug use have? What adoption options don't have red tape. Again, adoption is something done by individuals, not a society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Aristides said: Option for who? Does the kid get a choice? What does society do for kids born into poverty because their mothers were forced to give birth? the mother gets the choice despite your claims that they are forced to be mothers social safety nets exist that help those kids you are just pretending society does nothing to backwards rationalize your support of abortion which even if it was true still does not justify abortion obvious cognitive dissonance is obvious Edited July 6, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: the mother gets the choice despite your claims that they are forced to be mothers social safety nets exist that help those kids you are just pretending society does nothing to backwards rationalize your support of abortion which even if it was true still does not justify abortion obvious cognitive dissonance is obvious If society forces women to give birth, there also has to be legislation that compels society to look after those kids. Quote obvious cognitive dissonance is obvious Yes it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Aristides said: there also has to be legislation that compels society to look after those kids. there is Edited July 6, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 57 minutes ago, Aristides said: Adoption is done by individuals, not society. By forcing women to have children you are forcing them to be mothers. That's the thing about you so called pro lifers. Once they are born, you lose interest in them, your work is done and you no longer give a shit.. Who raised you? Have you no positive male role models in your life, no stand-up guys? You seem intent on taking men entirely out of the equation of parenting. You don’t make any connection between the breakdown of the family and your assault on males, who you declare universally toxic. You also ignore the scientific fact that at some point a fetus meets the medical definition of living: brain activity. You don’t seem to care that late term abortions are literally the killing of viable fetuses: babies. For you there’s only one person to consider: the unlimited choice of the mother to the extent of infanticide. So some people have a right to life and some don’t. Some people have total freedom of choice and others can have their lives extinguished to satisfy that freedom of some. You’re exalting the rights of some and stripping away the rights of others. We do have constitutional rights. We have had medical ethics. Your position meets the threshold of neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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