Canada and evolution

[myata]

I've been away for some time, working, traveling, meeting people. Been to four countries, very different from many perspectives, climate, economy, development, prosperity. The world has moved on. Not in the airports, official. Two out of three flights, no masks, no longer mandatory or nobody cares. On the last one, wore it consciously, it was a lot of people packed in a small space makes sense though in two years perhaps we could have come up with something better for such situations, and by that I mean more effective, the number, percent. But OK.

An evolutionary aside: a very long time ago like millions of years, the ancestors of humans had tails. They dropped them when they lost their usefulness, like why have it, carry it around if it doesn't do anything?

Back in Canada: like it was yesterday. Like it's still the heat and the top of the scariest yet wave (haven't turned the media on yet, what's there. Thinking of maybe dropping that habit too). Thought that I read something about more relaxed restrictions but it doesn't show in the reality, cannot be observed objectively, here's the problem.

Wonder what could the implications be, from the evolutionary perspective?

 

 

[Nationalist]

If we don't undo this fear-porn soon, the evolutionary implication will be that people will develop and hang onto a learned fear of getting too close to other people. We've already taught kids to not let others breath in their general vicinity. To be weary of people. That's a tragic mistake.

[WestCanMan]

Evolution moves at a glacial pace.

The only way that this covid scenario could have a meaningful impact on evolution is if the vax harms the reproductive organs of the pseudovaxed, thereby wiping out the stoopidz gene.

[eyeball]

Speaking of tails, conservatives still have their amygdala up their butts - between this and their knuckles they're a real drag on our species progress.

[myata]

Masks in stores aren't mandatory for some time now. You don't see them a lot in those countries I visited, OK occasionally. Here, looks like 98%. What is democracy why do we still bother about it, when someone can just push a button thick white over red "here, this is bouga baaaad scary run! now vote for me and you'll be safe again"? Back to square zero.

[myata]

Massive propaganda is affecting people's minds and judgement for a long time after the events. This should not have been allowed in a democracy. Propaganda, with any intentions is a danger to democracy and has no place in it.

[West]

3 hours ago, myata said:

Masks in stores aren't mandatory for some time now. You don't see them a lot in those countries I visited, OK occasionally. Here, looks like 98%. What is democracy why do we still bother about it, when someone can just push a button thick white over red "here, this is bouga baaaad scary run! now vote for me and you'll be safe again"? Back to square zero.

Where do you live? Where I live if you still have a mask on people look at you funny. We let the clinically insane drive the narrative over the past few years whereas I'm sure deep down people knew the restrictions and masking was for lunatics. 

It was a compliance tool with nothing really to do with health. People were more worried about the lunatics levying face diaper fines and busting down your door for having granny over for Sunday brunch than the bug.

Edited April 29, 2022 by West

[myata]

1 hour ago, West said:

Where I live if you still have a mask on people look at you funny.

Nice one. In four countries of Europe you would see an occasional mask usually older folk and that's perfectly OK. I walk in the store here it hasn't been mandatory for some weeks (central Ontario) and it's almost everyone the other way around. Sure here and Quebec was the brunt of the propaganda. And look, it's working. Now we know for certain that it works on the majority of the population, any population the question is only the number, density of scare messaging. And we have nothing, nada that can be done about it, no you cannot do that. Evolution doesn't prefer such species.

[eyeball]

On 4/29/2022 at 1:17 PM, West said:

Where I live if you still have a mask on people look at you funny.

I'm still wearing a mask in public places, limit my contacts and keep my distance. My wife is still vulnerable and facing surgery again in a few weeks so it's no time to be taking a chance.

I haven't had anyone look at me funny and I haven't seen anyone looking strangely at other people wearing masks.

I think you're full of shit and you don't see what you're reporting at all.

[OftenWrong]

On 4/29/2022 at 5:33 PM, myata said:

Nice one. In four countries of Europe you would see an occasional mask usually older folk and that's perfectly OK. I walk in the store here it hasn't been mandatory for some weeks (central Ontario) and it's almost everyone the other way around. Sure here and Quebec was the brunt of the propaganda. And look, it's working. Now we know for certain that it works on the majority of the population, any population the question is only the number, density of scare messaging. And we have nothing, nada that can be done about it, no you cannot do that. Evolution doesn't prefer such species.

People are confused and think the mask protects themselves now. Remember the narrative, those of you who can, that the mask is to protect others. Though I contest, it does not do that job very well either.

I know a guy who double- masks with an N95 and regular over top. He has a big, giant beard.

I never say anything.

Edited May 1, 2022 by OftenWrong

[OftenWrong]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'm still wearing a mask in public places, limit my contacts and keep my distance.

I see. So, you are ill then?

 

Edited May 1, 2022 by OftenWrong

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I see. So, you are ill then?

 

No. Can't you read? I said there is medical vulnerability in my household and so doctors have advised we avoid catching COVID.

The fact there are so many stupid people in society who don't give a shit about others is also a factor.

[OftenWrong]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No. Can't you read? I said there is medical vulnerability in my household and so doctors have advised we avoid catching COVID.

The fact there are so many stupid people in society who don't give a shit about others is also a factor.

In that case the best thing to do is avoid others. Just sayin

imo. Dont follow my advice, you could die.

Do not trust that the mask protects you. It could though if you wear a tight fitting high quality one. No facial hair.

There’s literally no point if you’re a bearded, old goat.

 

[West]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'm still wearing a mask in public places, limit my contacts and keep my distance. My wife is still vulnerable and facing surgery again in a few weeks so it's no time to be taking a chance.

I haven't had anyone look at me funny and I haven't seen anyone looking strangely at other people wearing masks.

I think you're full of shit and you don't see what you're reporting at all.

I'd say it's probably 95% don't wear masks. 

[OftenWrong]

On 4/29/2022 at 5:33 PM, myata said:

Nice one. In four countries of Europe you would see an occasional mask usually older folk and that's perfectly OK. I walk in the store here it hasn't been mandatory for some weeks (central Ontario) and it's almost everyone the other way around. Sure here and Quebec was the brunt of the propaganda. And look, it's working. Now we know for certain that it works on the majority of the population, any population the question is only the number, density of scare messaging. And we have nothing, nada that can be done about it, no you cannot do that. Evolution doesn't prefer such species.

My pal just returned from London UK. He said absolutely no one wears a mask there anymore, at all. He and his spouse felt uncomfortable at first, because they’re the types who are freaking out over it. But they were literally the only ones, or among very few.

Note the less masking there is, the less sensible it is to wear a “face covering” because that’s all it is.

He said i the UK they all had covid, every one of them.

During his time there he watched a football match, 15,000 people jam packed in a stadium. Then went to the jam packed pubs every night.

When he came back he said he was very confused about the whole thing. Good, said I. Now you know why I am pissed.

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Two weeks later, back to doublemasking again with a full beard.

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God save the Dunderheads

 

[OftenWrong]

7 minutes ago, West said:

I'd say it's probably 95% don't wear masks. 

Here in my part of ON it is the other way around.

You can almost take a “stupidity poll” going to the market.

Especially... the outdoor mask wearer.   

  

[myata]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

People are confused and think the mask protects themselves now. Remember the narrative, those of you who can, that the mask is to protect others. Though I contest, it does not do that job very well either.

We are two years into incessant drumming and lying propaganda - please show any evidence that mask mandates have any noticeable efficiency outside of, attention - peak of infection and compact densely populated areas with prolonged contact and we see people wearing them in parks, open spaces where it makes no reasonable sense just none. This is an illustration and a lesson: ongoing massive propaganda can change minds and will change them. There's no need to ask how it happened in Nazi Germany and Putin's Russia. This is how. Just look.

[myata]

35 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

When he came back he said he was very confused about the whole thing. Good, said I. Now you know why I am pissed.

Yep we're learning it: what propaganda can do and what it does. No need for PhD anymore just go to your neighborhood park.

I think a large majority of human population falls into manageable category: they'll be influenced and convinced by repeated collective behavior around them. It has to be on physiological, genetic level something to do with ape social structure. Religion is an attestation to that, before that druids and shamans dancing around the tribal fire etc and now of course it has been rediscovered as propaganda. That can be used deliberately with specific targets to achieve desired behavior and results. Brainwashing, mind control you got it and no alien tricks needed. First scare the populace half sh..tless then have "an election". This is a democracy, what?

Good luck to us. Yes, we're worth it.

Edited May 1, 2022 by myata

[OftenWrong]

10 minutes ago, myata said:

please show any evidence that mask mandates have any noticeable efficiency outside of, attention - peak of infection and compact densely populated areas with prolonged contact

Alas, I cannot. And even inside those parameters. Depending on conditions, you may still and quite easily be euchred. 

Kiss one’s ass goodbye.

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”Everyone’s gotta die sometime, Red.”

[myata]

1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

And even inside those parameters.

For that I actually read a study. On some US warship for months in close quarters. Without masks 70-80% got it. With them, only ~50%. If my memory is correct can still be found (USS Roosevelt).

[OftenWrong]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

I think a large majority of human population falls into manageable category: they'll be influenced and convinced by repeated collective behavior around them.

That’s exactly why I consider it my civic duty and moral obligation to never wear the mask, so that others will see that I can do so, and not die. Then eventually they will do it as well.

The f*cking cowards

[myata]

3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Then eventually they will do it as well.

Even if they wouldn't it's still important on some higher level. Otherwise humans, and life generally would be no more than some automaton.

[OftenWrong]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

For that I actually read a study. On some US warship for months in close quarters. Without masks 70-80% got it. With them, only ~50%. If my memory is correct can still be found (USS Roosevelt).

Sounds interesting but all information must be qualified.

Yes they can work if

- properly fitted, shaped mask

- virus level protection

- no facial hair

- training on their use. 

Not terribly complicated stuff, but without knowing what you’re doing it’s pointless and maybe even more dangerous.

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”There is no virus protection by half-measures.”

- L. Pasteur OftenWrong

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

”There is no virus protection by half-measures.”

True enough. A mask by itself will not approach 100% efficacy so you add social distancing, vaccines, the assumption that people who don't wear masks don't give a shit etc.  I doubt adding all this together will get you to %100 but I'm quite certain it'll be a lot closer to %100 than 0.

If you happen to be the sort of tender little snowflake who's over-sensitive self-esteem is wounded or diminished by how people perceive you due to a mask all I can say is it that it probably really sucks to be you and probably always will

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, West said:

I'd say it's probably 95% don't wear masks. 

I was at a celebration of life yesterday at our community hall and I'd say at least half the people of all ages were masked.  There were certainly more than a few who wore them wrong or had them dangling from their ears but it was still way more than %5 who were trying to be serious about it.

Edited May 1, 2022 by eyeball