Yzermandius19 Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 37 minutes ago, blackbird said: What is "axial" age or "axial" Christians? google it captain google Quote
eyeball Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 17 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: nope the religions prior were quite barbaric in comparison to today And I bet there were Neanderthals who would regard some of our's as monsterous. It's all in the eye of the beholder and human species have been just as capable at beholding as anyone else for hundreds of thousands of years. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
G Huxley Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 22 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: google it captain google Yzermandius I asked you the following question twice, and so far you have not answered: Why do you find axial and post axial religions to be a cut above the pre-axial age and have you read Jaspers? Quote
blackbird Posted January 3, 2022 Author Report Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: google it captain google This is the first I've heard about the term. One website says it refers to the period 300 to 500 B.C. Another writer says it refers to the 1,000 year millennium from 1,000 B.C. to 0 B.C. Will read a little more about it. The Bible goes further back than 1,000 B.C. The Bible begins with the account of creation which is believed to be about 6,000 years ago or 4,000 B.C. Then there was the period before Noah's flood which was believed to have occurred 2,348 B.C. The call of Abraham was in 1921 B.C. or 3900 years ago exactly. So the point I am making is Biblical history goes back over 4,000 years ago and it is all related to Christianity. Edited January 3, 2022 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted January 3, 2022 Author Report Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, eyeball said: And I bet there were Neanderthals who would regard some of our's as monsterous. It's all in the eye of the beholder and human species have been just as capable at beholding as anyone else for hundreds of thousands of years 10 minutes ago, eyeball said: If you believe man evolved from apes and monkeys. Bible scholars say the earth was possibly 6,000 years old. Go to creation.com and read some of the articles. Edited January 3, 2022 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted January 3, 2022 Author Report Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, blackbird said: 10 minutes ago, eyeball said: And I bet there were Neanderthals who would regard some of our's as monsterous. It's all in the eye of the beholder and human species have been just as capable at beholding as anyone else for hundreds of thousands of years. If you believe man evolved from monkeys or apes, which has been debunked. Go to creation.com Quote
G Huxley Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 "This is the first I've heard about the term." - Blackbird It comes from Jaspers' The Origin and Goal of History, a good albeit brief book, I wish he had elaborated more in it. 1 Quote
eyeball Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 12 minutes ago, blackbird said: If you believe man evolved from monkeys or apes, which has been debunked. Go to creation.com I'll pass thanks. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Yzermandius19 Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, eyeball said: And I bet there were Neanderthals who would regard some of our's as monsterous. It's all in the eye of the beholder and human species have been just as capable at beholding as anyone else for hundreds of thousands of years. nope morality is not purely subjective whether the Neanderthals agree or not is neither here nor there obvious upgrade is obvious someone viewing something immoral as moral doesn't make it moral Edited January 3, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 29 minutes ago, G Huxley said: Yzermandius I asked you the following question twice, and so far you have not answered: Why do you find axial and post axial religions to be a cut above the pre-axial age and have you read Jaspers? I haven't read Jaspers I answered your other question Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 26 minutes ago, blackbird said: This is the first I've heard about the term. One website says it refers to the period 300 to 500 B.C. Another writer says it refers to the 1,000 year millennium from 1,000 B.C. to 0 B.C. Will read a little more about it. The Bible goes further back than 1,000 B.C. The Bible begins with the account of creation which is believed to be about 6,000 years ago or 4,000 B.C. Then there was the period before Noah's flood which was believed to have occurred 2,348 B.C. The call of Abraham was in 1921 B.C. or 3900 years ago exactly. So the point I am making is Biblical history goes back over 4,000 years ago and it is all related to Christianity. The Old Testament is Jewish the Jews were a big moral upgrade on the religions that came before Quote
G Huxley Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 "I answered your other question " Do you mind quoting your answer? I must have missed it. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, G Huxley said: "I answered your other question " Do you mind quoting your answer? I must have missed it. I'm working right now so you'll have to scroll through yourself Quote
eyeball Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: nope yup Quote morality is not purely subjective nor is it purely objective Quote whether the Neanderthals agree or not is neither here nor there You can be quite certain many of them would feel the same way for the same reason. Quote obvious upgrade is obvious The downgrades often stand out even more. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) ... Edited January 3, 2022 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
G Huxley Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: I look at the level of morality in pre-axial religious societies and see it a cut below the level of morality after the axial religions come along the pagans were clearly far less moral than Christians for instance the historical record shows a major moral leap forward beginning in the axial age Ah OK found it now. You still actually didn't answer the question there. I asked you what you found that was a lower level of morality and you simply reiterated that it was lower without saying what it was that was actually lower. I think it would be worth it to you to read Jaspers' work. Edited January 3, 2022 by G Huxley Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, G Huxley said: Ah OK found it now. You still actually didn't answer the question there. I asked you what you found that was a lower level of morality and you simply reiterated that it was lower without saying what it was that was actually lower. I mentioned human sacrifice being commonplace prior that is one of many examples Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: yup nor is it purely objective You can be quite certain many of them would feel the same way for the same reason. The downgrades often stand out even more. I don't really care what they think the downgrades do stand out religions that practiced and promoted human sacrifice stand out as downgrades Quote
G Huxley Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 There was a lot of human sacrifice in Christianity e.g. witch burnings. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, G Huxley said: There was a lot of human sacrifice in Christianity e.g. witch burnings. that's not human sacrifice that is witch burning Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, G Huxley said: Interesting double think. witch burnings were a punishment for supposed crimes human sacrifice was done for better harvests witch burnings are an upgrade, though obviously still abhorrent Edited January 3, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote
G Huxley Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 They are an upgrade? Wow. One human sacrifice for another. Quote
blackbird Posted January 3, 2022 Author Report Posted January 3, 2022 27 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: The Old Testament is Jewish the Jews were a big moral upgrade on the religions that came before The Old Testament is also part of the Bible which is embraced by Christians as an important part of the whole Bible. What happened during the Old Testament period is very relative to believers today. Christ was a Jew and descended from King David and before that from Abraham, the father of Israel. The Old Testament are Holy Scriptures and were given to mankind through Old Testament prophets who were the Jews as part of the nation of Israel. There is much important information in the Old Testament for believers today. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 3, 2022 Report Posted January 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, G Huxley said: They are an upgrade? Wow. One human sacrifice for another. you not being able to tell the difference between apples and oranges doesn't mean there is no difference Quote
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