Putin Dummying Another Dem President

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

Having a divided US was a strategic success.

You're talking about another failed Dem strategy now. Am I supposed to say "Good job" or something?

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Sure it would be and Trump would sound much like you.

We should actually go by recent history and Trump's track record, the opinions of posters is usually just a waste of bandwidth, right?

For one thing, it's worth noting that when Obama was Prez, America became incredibly divided to the point where massive riots went on for 3 years, and Putin took what he wanted.

When Trump was Prez, Putin took nothing. He didn't have his armies threatening Ukraine. It was 'all quiet on the eastern front'. Terrorists also went silent. NoKo also simmered down. Iran bit the pillow when they briefly stepped up. Islamic state, which grew to be the size of a large country under Obama, was reduced to almost nothing within 6 months of Trump being Prez. All across the globe America's adversaries were laying low or getting gob-smacked. It took all the power of the MSM's disinformation to create 3 months of rioting under Trump. When the bodycam footage of Floyd's death hit the internet even the riots stopped. 

As soon as Biden became Prez, Russia started moving troops to surround Ukraine. Biden and Harris played stupid games about Ukraine joing NATO and now they're winning stupid prizes. Russia attacked Ukraine and they're destroying it. NoKo is testing new missiles all the time now. Iran just launched ballistic missiles at an American embassy. China and Russia entered a new alliance. China is openly talking about their plan to take over Taiwan. 

THE AMERICAN GOV'T IS OPENLY TALKING ABOUT ENGAGING RUSSIAN FIGHTER PLANES IN OPEN COMBAT (FYI that means WAR WITH RUSSIA), AND IT'S NOT JUST A SMALL MINORITY THAT IS 'PARTLY IN FAVOUR OF IT'. MANY CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS ARE RABID ABOUT SETTING UP THE NO-FLY ZONE. 

 

We both know that the world wasn't in a warlike stance when Trump was Prez. Now the world is mostly at war or openly talking about it. This isn't partisan in nature, it's entirely factual. 

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Yep you should just say no to them, you subscribe to so many. 

I go along with about 50% of them and reserve judgement on about 30% of them and rule out 20% entirely.

The 50% always come true, almost all of the 30% come true, half of the rest come true. 

I'll stick with being right, and I prefer if you keep your head in your arse because I like making fun of your posts.

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Meanwhile Madison Cawthorn is the latest Republican scumbag to publicly come out as being on Team Russia (and then pathetically try to walk it back after due to backlash)

I don't know what stupid BS you're talking about. Post a link if you want, I don't really care. 

[eyeball]

43 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You're talking about another failed Dem strategy now. Am I supposed to say "Good job" or something?

No I'm talking about a successful strategy that you should be congratulating Putin for executing.

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No I'm talking about a successful strategy that you should be congratulating Putin for executing.

It wouldn't have been successful if Dems didn't take the bait hook, line and sinker. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

I think Trump's stance on NATO was reasonable in that he wanted other member nations to live up to the funding commitments. And I think it's also fair to say that the US did carry more than their fair share of the overall burden.

But you didn't comment on Bolton's assessment.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

John Bolton has said that he thinks Trump would have disbanded NATO.

1) That's just John Bolton's opinion. Full stop.

2) Bolton is a complete idiot and here is the proof: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53089609

There's not a single intelligent or truthful comment on that list. 

Do you really think that Trump's success as a President came entirely from luck and that Obama and Biden were just unlucky?

John Bolton: "Trump was really bad at poker but he got 50 full houses and 10 royal flushes in 60 hands of poker so he just kept winning anyways. Obama got 3 of a kind a few times in twice as many hands and he ended up dividing America along racial lines but that was just bad luck. Biden is like a card shark, but the best that he can get is a pair of deuces. Luckily that doesn't stop him from going all-in, every time. One day it will pay off. I hope he gets re-elected: the world needs more Joe, and he's still very sharp mentally." 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't know what stupid BS you're talking about. Post a link if you want, I don't really care. 

Of course you have no clue because you live in a bubble of right propaganda that doesn’t report the truth. 
 

GOP Rep. Cawthorn calls Zelensky a 'thug,' says Ukraine is pushing 'woke ideologies'

Christopher WilsonThu, March 10, 2022, 1:51 PM
 

Rep. Cawthorn calls Ukrainian president a 'thug'

In a speech to supporters last weekend, Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-N.C., called Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky a "thug" and said Ukraine's government was "incredibly evil."

Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-N.C., called Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky a "thug" at a campaign event over the weekend.

"Remember that Zelensky is a thug,"Cawthorn said in a video obtained by WRAL. "Remember that the Ukrainian government is incredibly corrupt and is incredibly evil and has been pushing woke ideologies."

https://news.yahoo.com/gop-rep-cawthorn-calls-zelensky-a-thug-says-ukraine-pushing-woke-ideologies-185128786.html
 

“Woke ideologies” lol now he’s just making shit up out of thin air to get his people on Putin’s side.  Although it wouldn’t surprise me if he thought democracy and human rights were nothing more than evil woke ideologies  

 

[BeaverFever]

Tucker Carlson’s history of pro-Kremlin, anti-Ukraine propaganda

Tucker Carlson’s dizzying mess of spin and deflection on Russia’s war in Ukraine

Written by Nikki McCann Ramirez, Jane Lee& Alicia Sadowski

03/04/22 2:02 PM EST

https://www.mediamatters.org/russias-invasion-ukraine/tucker-carlsons-history-pro-kremlin-anti-ukraine-propaganda
 

No wonder his show regularly airs on Putin-contolled Russian state TV   Tucker has got quite a track record of pushing Putin’s agenda over the years  

 

[ironstone]

38 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

But you didn't comment on Bolton's assessment.

Doesn't John Bolton have a reputation as a warmonger? I didn't know much about him before his appointment by Trump , and then just about everything I did hear was negative. He and Trump have an axe to grind against one another apparently.

Whether or not he wanted to withdraw from NATO I can't say. But during his four years as president he had the opportunity and he didn't act. At the end of the day I think the fact that he pressed NATO allies to pick up the slack was a positive thing for the alliance.

[Michael Hardner]

21 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Whether or not he wanted to withdraw from NATO I can't say. But during his four years as president he had the opportunity and he didn't act. 

He's regarded as being weak on NATO.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Of course you have no clue because you live in a bubble of right propaganda that doesn’t report the truth. 
 

GOP Rep. Cawthorn calls Zelensky a 'thug,' says Ukraine is pushing 'woke ideologies'

Christopher WilsonThu, March 10, 2022, 1:51 PM
 

Rep. Cawthorn calls Ukrainian president a 'thug'

In a speech to supporters last weekend, Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-N.C., called Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky a "thug" and said Ukraine's government was "incredibly evil."

Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-N.C., called Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky a "thug" at a campaign event over the weekend.

"Remember that Zelensky is a thug,"Cawthorn said in a video obtained by WRAL. "Remember that the Ukrainian government is incredibly corrupt and is incredibly evil and has been pushing woke ideologies."

https://news.yahoo.com/gop-rep-cawthorn-calls-zelensky-a-thug-says-ukraine-pushing-woke-ideologies-185128786.html
 

“Woke ideologies” lol now he’s just making shit up out of thin air to get his people on Putin’s side.  Although it wouldn’t surprise me if he thought democracy and human rights were nothing more than evil woke ideologies  

1) I only care about IMPORTANT truths. IDGAF what you think about Madison Cawthorn. 

2) Ukraine IS INCREDIBLY CORRUPT, and for all I know Zelensky is incredibly evil. He started this war for no good reason, right?

3) Is he pushing stupid 'woke' ideologies? Did you check? 

[ironstone]

40 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

He's regarded as being weak on NATO.

It depends on what you mean by being weak on NATO. I understand he may have had questions about the purpose of NATO since the collapse of the Soviet Union but while he was president the US more than lived up to it's funding commitments. Other countries have not, including Canada. That includes Trudeau and Harper too.

My opinion counts for nothing but I would disagree with Trump if he felt NATO was obsolete.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It wouldn't have been successful if Dems didn't take the bait hook, line and sinker. 

I could car even less than Putin who  he recruited to punk America. One way or another America's division into two polarized paralyzed camps was as inevitable as tomorrow's rising sun.

[WestCanMan]

43 minutes ago, ironstone said:

It depends on what you mean by being weak on NATO. I understand he may have had questions about the purpose of NATO since the collapse of the Soviet Union but while he was president the US more than lived up to it's funding commitments. Other countries have not, including Canada. That includes Trudeau and Harper too.

My opinion counts for nothing but I would disagree with Trump if he felt NATO was obsolete.

American Senators and Congressmen are getting pretty serious about war with Russia (aka "declaring/enforcing a no-fly zone over Ukraine"). 

Am I crazy, or is it just a bit racist to care so much about Ukrainian war dead when we cared so little about war deaths in other places?

I don't recall seeing Lindsey Graham or Hillary Clinton getting all emotional about the 4M non-blondes who died in the war in Congo (actually it was over 5M). 

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

I could car even less than Putin who  he recruited to punk America. One way or another America's division into two polarized paralyzed camps was as inevitable as tomorrow's rising sun.

If you care so much then stop supporting the lying media. Instead of tuning into Global 7 times/week write them a nasty letter. 

[BeaverFever]

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

1) I only care about IMPORTANT truths. IDGAF what you think about Madison Cawthorn. 

2) Ukraine IS INCREDIBLY CORRUPT, and for all I know Zelensky is incredibly evil. He started this war for no good reason, right?

3) Is he pushing stupid 'woke' ideologies? Did you check? 

So are you coming out if the closest as a Putin’s supporter too?  You’re now claiming Zelensky started this war?

 

Why is it you think its my job to check if Zelensky is “pushing woke ideologies” and not the job of the person who is making that claim with zero evidence?Thats a thing you Republicans do - you make baseless  accusations offering no evidence to support them,  and if anyone doesn’t automatically take your word for it you demand that they must do the research to prove you wrong otherwise you claim you’re proven right. That type of faulty thinking is a testament to the idiocy and dishonesty of Republicans 

Edited March 14, 2022 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

1) I only care about IMPORTANT truths. IDGAF what you think about Madison Cawthorn. 

2) Ukraine IS INCREDIBLY CORRUPT, and for all I know Zelensky is incredibly evil. He started this war for no good reason, right?

3) Is he pushing stupid 'woke' ideologies? Did you check? 

So are you coming out if the closest as a Putin’s supporter too?  You’re now claiming Zelensky started this war?

 

Why is it you think its my job to check if Zelensky is “pushing woke ideologies” and not the job of the person who is making that claim with zero evidence?Thats a thing you Republicans do - you make baseless  accusations offering no evidence to support them,  and if anyone doesn’t automatically take your word for it you demand that they must do the research to prove you wrong otherwise you claim you’re proven right. That type o failed logic that s a testament to the idiocy and dishonesty of Republicans 

[WestCanMan]

Just now, BeaverFever said:

So are you coming out if the closest as a Putin’s supporter too?  You’re now claiming Zelensky started this war?

He knew that war with Russia was inevitable if he kept pushing for a NATO membership. The troops were all around. He chose war. 

[BeaverFever]

Another Trumpian Russophile doubles down on his love for Putin  I love how he say he’s “the last guy who would ever apologize for Putin” right before apologizing for Putin  Remember this is a guy with long close ties to the Putin regime and who went to jail for sneaking around with Russians and lying to authorities about it  

Michael Flynn Says Putin’s Ukraine Invasion Is Disrupting Bill Gates’ ‘New World Order’

 

“Someone like Vladimir Putin has upset this balance of the New World Order they were trying to achieve by going into Ukraine,” the former national security advisor said

Michael Flynn, Donald Trump’s disgraced former national security advisor, wants you to know he’s the “last guy” who would be an apologist for Vladimir Putin, the Russian leader currently conducting a murderous attack on Ukraine.

Flynn would also like you to know, however, that Putin’s invasion “has now upset” plans for a “New World Order” organized by people like billionaire Bill Gates, who are (somehow) pushing to eliminate “God and a soul.”

That is a conspiracy theory word salad from Flynn, but it goes toward a dangerous end: setting up Putin as a hero to a host of conspiracy theorists and covering for an invasion that has caused mass death and suffering in Ukraine.

“Someone like Vladimir Putin has upset this balance of the New World Order they were trying to achieve by going into Ukraine. And you know, I’m probably the last person that’s going to be a Putin apologist. I won’t be, but what I do understand are the dynamics that are playing out in Ukraine right now,” Flynn said on March 8 during an appearance on Thrivetime Show, a podcast hosted by anti-vaxx commentator Clay Clark. 
 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/michael-flynn-putin-bill-gates-conspiracy-theory-1320714/
 

 

 

[BeaverFever]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

He knew that war with Russia was inevitable if he kept pushing for a NATO membership. The troops were all around. He chose war. 

Hey Komrad nice Kremlin talking points.

 Ukraine is a sovereign nation free to seek whatever alliances it pleases and doing so is not “starting a war,” especially considering that Russia has been meddling with and threatening with Ukraine since the collapse of the Soviet Union including creating and sponsoring armed insurgency, annexing sovereign Ukrainian territory, rigging Ukrainian elections, poisoning pro-western Ukrainian politicians, and propping up a brutal pro-Russian dictator that opened fire on his own civilian population.  What your Putin-loving cult leaders won’t tell you is that nothing justifies Russia’s invasion.  
 

We know Republicans can’t resist placing all the blame on the woman in the short skirt, but when it comes to Ukraine at the very least you should at least wait until her rapist in done with her before screaming that she’s a whore who brought it on herself. 

[BeaverFever]

On 3/13/2022 at 2:53 PM, ironstone said:

I think when Putin was planning this invasion one of the biggest things to consider was, how is the sitting president going to react? Virtually everyone will agree that Biden is very different from Trump. World leaders both past and present have always sized up and assessed other leaders. It seems pretty naive to suggest Putin didn't consider how Biden, or Trump(if he were still president) was going to react. There are strong leaders and weak leaders.

This invasion was not planned overnight and Putin chose his timing very carefully. 

 

Given how poorly Russia is performing I think it was planned overnight.  Clearly Putin didn’t expect the resistance from Ukraine or the West.  That’s what happens when you close yourself into an airtight bubble and drink yourself own piss all day….you start to believe your own propaganda. 
 

Trump has gone out his away to apologize for and flatter Putin and call for closer ties with Russia. Even now he is slow to condemn Russia and has few words of criticism for Putin. But still plenty of criticism for NATO and the west.
 

If you want to know what team he’s playing for, pay no attention to which jersey he’s wearing,  just look at whose net he’s taking shots at.  It’s not Putin’s. 

Edited March 14, 2022 by BeaverFever

[Faramir]

On 3/13/2022 at 12:09 PM, Michael Hardner said:

1. I didn't suggest that.

2. John Bolton has said that he thinks Trump would have disbanded NATO.

Bolton is a slime bag chicken hawk.  No war he have never salivated over.  

[Faramir]

On 3/13/2022 at 1:00 PM, ironstone said:

I think Trump's stance on NATO was reasonable in that he wanted other member nations to live up to the funding commitments. And I think it's also fair to say that the US did carry more than their fair share of the overall burden.

Disband NATO.  The USA practically funds the whole thing.  And a NATO with Turkey in it is a joke.

[Faramir]

On 3/13/2022 at 1:09 PM, WestCanMan said:

You're talking about another failed Dem strategy now. Am I supposed to say "Good job" or something?

We should actually go by recent history and Trump's track record, the opinions of posters is usually just a waste of bandwidth, right?

For one thing, it's worth noting that when Obama was Prez, America became incredibly divided to the point where massive riots went on for 3 years, and Putin took what he wanted.

When Trump was Prez, Putin took nothing. He didn't have his armies threatening Ukraine. It was 'all quiet on the eastern front'. Terrorists also went silent. NoKo also simmered down. Iran bit the pillow when they briefly stepped up. Islamic state, which grew to be the size of a large country under Obama, was reduced to almost nothing within 6 months of Trump being Prez. All across the globe America's adversaries were laying low or getting gob-smacked. It took all the power of the MSM's disinformation to create 3 months of rioting under Trump. When the bodycam footage of Floyd's death hit the internet even the riots stopped. 

As soon as Biden became Prez, Russia started moving troops to surround Ukraine. Biden and Harris played stupid games about Ukraine joing NATO and now they're winning stupid prizes. Russia attacked Ukraine and they're destroying it. NoKo is testing new missiles all the time now. Iran just launched ballistic missiles at an American embassy. China and Russia entered a new alliance. China is openly talking about their plan to take over Taiwan. 

THE AMERICAN GOV'T IS OPENLY TALKING ABOUT ENGAGING RUSSIAN FIGHTER PLANES IN OPEN COMBAT (FYI that means WAR WITH RUSSIA), AND IT'S NOT JUST A SMALL MINORITY THAT IS 'PARTLY IN FAVOUR OF IT'. MANY CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS ARE RABID ABOUT SETTING UP THE NO-FLY ZONE. 

 

We both know that the world wasn't in a warlike stance when Trump was Prez. Now the world is mostly at war or openly talking about it. This isn't partisan in nature, it's entirely factual. 

It all comes down to STYLE.  People hated that he said "shithole" countries even though it was true.

[Faramir]

On 3/13/2022 at 2:17 PM, Michael Hardner said:

But you didn't comment on Bolton's assessment.

Yes he WANTED to disband NATO but unfortunately Trump took advice from warmongers in the Pentagon.  The same ones that didn't want to leave Afganistan.