Spiderfish Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Boges said: That's bullshit. Go take a look at the current state of Hospitals in Alberta and Saskatchewan. It's all the mannequins taking up the beds. 1 Quote
Infidel Dog Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) Look the end of the world was supposed to happen in Ontario too. Did it? The cases are falling now. You can look back and show me. Go ahead. Show me. Edited October 20, 2021 by Infidel Dog Quote
TreeBeard Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: The crisis is. I've seen the odd patient being held in the hospital hallway though. That was before Covid. Every single premier in Canada is in on the conspiracy? Why? Quote
Aristides Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Infidel Dog said: I see, so the rest of the hospital can look like a Ghost Town but everybody is in the ICU. Is that it? No hospitals are like ghost towns. Our hospital has had non palliative patients in the halls of the palliative ward. Quote
TreeBeard Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: Look the end of the world was supposed to happen in Ontario. Did it? The cases are falling now. You can look back and show me. Go ahead. Show me. Falling cases today indicates there was no health crisis with COVID yesterday? Do you think only a total collapse with constantly rising cases should be described as a crisis? Is this just semantics for you? Edited October 20, 2021 by TreeBeard Quote
Boges Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Overloaded hospitals are just a conspiracy? Just like 9/11 and the curvature of the Earth? 1 Quote
TreeBeard Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Boges said: Just like 9/11 and the curvature of the Earth? Wouldn’t someone like Jason Kenney be a hero if he came out with the actual truth about COVID and revealed the grand hoax to all of us? Quote
Boges Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Every single premier in Canada is in on the conspiracy? Why? Maybe you should ask yourself that. Why leaders of all stripes are on board. It's funny, You conservatives have to look to socialist countries like Sweden and Norway to find places that actually haven't been crazy about COVID restrictions. Quote
Boges Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Wouldn’t someone like Jason Kenney be a hero if he came out with the actual truth about COVID and revealed the grand hoax to all of us? Yeah, instead he went back to mask mandates and imposed his own vaccine passport. Even the ones that are for freedoms and against vaccine mandates (like governors in the US) get vaccinated and invest in treatments. Quote
Goddess Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, dialamah said: Let's try some math. In BC, there are 5.07 million people of which 80%, more or less, are vaccinated, leaving 20% unvaccinated which is 4.05 million and 1.01 million respectively. If we assume, for the sake of argument, that .01% of each group ends up hospitalized, that's ~400 vaxed and ~100 unvaxed hospitalized. See how that works? The point is: What are ANY vaxxed people doing in the ICU? For a flu that has a 99.5% survival rate and 80% of the population have gotten the miracle vaccine that was touted as preventing covid......... See how THAT works? Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Boges Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, Goddess said: The point is: What are ANY vaxxed people doing in the ICU? Same reason Colin Powell died. The Vaccine does less for people with poor immune systems. Quote
TreeBeard Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, Goddess said: The point is: What are ANY vaxxed people doing in the ICU? When they came out with the efficacy rates for the vaccines against COVID (before the Delta variant), did anyone say that the vaccine was 100% effective agains the virus? 1 Quote
Spiderfish Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Faramir said: Sure NOW after 2 years. But generally across Canada and the USA hospitals did not face serious shortages of beds. This is a crucial point that very few people seem to be paying attention to. Government and Health Authorities have known for 2 years that hospitals and ICU's could be overwhelmed and had all this time to find real solutions. We've spent literally billions of dollars, Trudeau overpaid on a 700 million dollar contract with a former Liberal MP to provide thousands of ventilators that were never used but ended up in some warehouse, he bought and overpaid badly for enough vaccine to pump into the entire population ten times over. The governments at all levels has had all this time to get ready, but they dropped the ball...they put all their effort into locking people in their homes, closing and destroying small businesses, and putting all their faith on a vaccine that is proving to be considerably less effective than was first advertised. Then, unbelievably, they removed the blame from their own shoulders and foisted it directly on the filthy "unvaccinated"...and amazingly, people fell for it!! Divide and conquer has proven yet again to be an exceedingly effective strategy of government to dodge and obfuscate the responsibility and distract people who are busy blaming each other for a problem that started in a lab in China, and was subsequently badly managed by governments. We would do well to stop blaming each other, and take a minute to re-evaluate the entire perspective on where we are currently, how we got here, and be truly honest with ourselves about what it's really going to take to get us out of this. Firing minimum wage workers from their jobs for not complying with government orders which change on an almost daily basis is not going to get us there...it's just not...no matter how much you have bought into all the bullshit. 1 Quote
Infidel Dog Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Every single premier in Canada is in on the conspiracy? Why? Power centers externally and in the bureaucracy. Messaging from cherry-picked approved sources is all that is. That's why you have to wear masks. It's not because they work. They don't. Ultimately it's about power and who wants you to know they have it. It's not really the premiers. They're just the secretary who sits behind the desk and lets you know the policy. Same with Trudeau and Biden. Quote
myata Posted October 20, 2021 Author Report Posted October 20, 2021 Regardless of case dynamics restrictions are going nowhere in Canada. It's not about cases and numbers but very deep foundations and principles of the society. Does authority exist and work for the society? Or society exists to be managed by the all-knowing and never questioned government? One or the other. In the former, no government can impose unconditional and overreaching restrictions, any and all have to be justified, defended and limited. That's why you see countries returning to normal; not because some twist of the policy; but because fundamentally something with a risk lower than flu for the general population cannot justify uniform and arbitrary restrictions indefinitely. In that, first type of society. And in the second, anything is possible. Whatever comes in the head of the top bureaucrat inspired by the latest Number all and anything goes, with no questions or limits. Cases high, restrictions must stay. Cases low, they have to be kept because look, UK and another wave may be around the corner. No, it's not masks, vaccinations, policies. It's who. Who you are is what you do. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Goddess Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Boges said: It's likely the vaxxed that are getting sick have underlying conditions. Oh, NOW underlying conditions can be taken into consideration. But NOT before everybody got vaccinated. Good to know. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Infidel Dog Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: When they came out with the efficacy rates for the vaccines against COVID (before the Delta variant), did anyone say that the vaccine was 100% effective agains the virus? Actually the studies done by the manufacturers originally said 95% efficacy. That's changed drastically. 95% looks like nonsense now that we've seen them in action. Worse for some vaccines than others but they all wane in efficacy over time. 2 to 8 months depending on varying factors. That's another reason stats for the vaccinated start to rise from the first hysterical weeks of an infection wave. Edited October 20, 2021 by Infidel Dog 1 Quote
TreeBeard Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: Power centers externally and in the bureaucracy. Messaging from cherry-picked approved sources is all that is. That's why you have to wear masks. It's not because they work. They don't. Ultimately it's about power and who wants you to know they have it. It's not really the premiers. They're just the secretary who sits behind the desk and lets you know the policy. Same with Trudeau and Biden. The conspiracy seems vast and powerful…. Worldwide even! Tell us more? Quote
Spiderfish Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Goddess said: Oh, NOW underlying conditions can be taken into consideration. But NOT before everybody got vaccinated. Good to know. It does seem that if someone has comorbidities and are positive with covid at the time of death, it's considered a covid death... unless the person has been fully vaccinated, in which case it's a contributing and aggravating factor to the primary condition. Quote
TreeBeard Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, Infidel Dog said: Actually the studies done by the manufacturers originally said 95% efficacy. That's changed drastically. 95% looks like nonsense now that we've seen them in action. Worse for some vaccines than others but they all wane in efficacy over time. So no one ever said 100%? And it seems lower than the original 95%? I suppose that explains to @Goddess why there are vaccinated people in ICUs… Quote
Infidel Dog Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: The conspiracy seems vast and powerful…. Worldwide even! Tell us more? What do you want to know? Quote
Infidel Dog Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: So no one ever said 100%? And it seems lower than the original 95%? I suppose that explains to @Goddess why there are vaccinated people in ICUs… I think she already knows. She also knows infections and harms to the vaccinated are rising statistically as vaccine efficacy drops. I've seen it as low as 20% with, I think it was J& J. 1 Quote
myata Posted October 20, 2021 Author Report Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Spiderfish said: It does seem that if someone has comorbidities and are positive with covid at the time of death, it's considered a covid death... unless the person has been fully vaccinated, in which case it's a contributing and aggravating factor to the primary condition. Can it be because in some places, the system exists to work for the society that is, save maximum lives and minimize impact while allowing society live full life, that is an unconditional. And in other places, it exists to support the ideological dogma of the day. Yes we have seen examples of manipulation of data by public authorities paid for by out tax dollars. They aren't smart pathetic and often ridiculous and unfortunately, tell us very clearly what type of society we are. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Spiderfish Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 38 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Overloaded hospitals are just a conspiracy? No, their a tragic failure of government. And we're not even questioning accountability because we've been assured by them it's not their mismanagement that's to blame. Quote
TreeBeard Posted October 20, 2021 Report Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: What do you want to know? I want to know everything! How did the conspirators get every single reputable virologist, epidemiologist, and anyone else who studies diseases in Canada to buy into the COVID hoax? Quote
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