Voting suppression drive by Republican party

[Infidel Dog]

You know that one about how a lie will travel around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on?

Well...looks like the truth is finally starting to buckle up:

No, Texas' Voting Law Isn't an 'Assault on Democracy'

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When leftists accuse Republicans of stripping early voting by rolling back drive-through and outdoor voting, they maliciously leave out the context that these voting methods were allowed only in response to the Wuhan coronavirus and did not exist before 2020. 

When Democrats allege that the Texas legislature is seeking to cut down on early voting in some sort of racist scheme to limit minority votes, they ignore the fact that Texas voters have more days to vote—two weeks—than liberal states including New York and New Jersey which only allow nine days of early voting. 

What's more, voters in Texas have more hours in which to vote during those days than states including New Mexico and Maryland. Yet you don't hear the same Democrats condemning New York or New Mexico for having election laws akin to Jim Crow.

What the election measures being pursued would do is protect the integrity of elections in Texas but employing commonsense, proven-effective methods to ensure each eligible voter has confidence that their vote counts fairly. 

More than eight-in-ten Texas voters back requiring photo ID to vote, showing support for election safeguards. Bringing the same security through identity verification to absentee voting just makes sense. Further helping Texas voters have more confidence in their votes, a new online system will allow individual voters to track their absentee ballot applications and know when their vote is counted.

The truth about Texas Republicans' proposal is far from the nefarious regime Democrats and their allies say. And while Democrats have halted the bill's progress this weekend, the effort is not dead. Governor Greg Abbott tweeted late Sunday night that the election integrity bill "STILL must pass" as part of a special legislative session that may begin as soon as Tuesday.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2021/05/31/no-the-texas-voting-law-isnt-an-assault-on-democracy-n2590227

[myata]

12 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Doesn't matter what you condone....it is all partisan politics...and you are still playing to your partisan side...because it matters to you in Canada.

You can say that but then the outcome wouldn't matter too.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, myata said:

You can say that but then the outcome wouldn't matter too.

You started this topic as a serious accusation against the GOP, you shouldn't be ignoring posts like the one above myata. There's a lot to address there.

[myata]

Everyone is entitled to ignore anything in the forum that does not follow the conventions of a good discussion. The questions raised in the topic have not been answered: why concerted effort to change election rules; how is it related to ungrounded claims of election win; and motivation of specific proposed changes have not been answered so far.

[Yzermandius19]

37 minutes ago, myata said:

Everyone is entitled to ignore anything in the forum that does not follow the conventions of a good discussion. The questions raised in the topic have not been answered: why concerted effort to change election rules; how is it related to ungrounded claims of election win; and motivation of specific proposed changes have not been answered so far.

you only seem to be concerned

when Republicans propose changing the election rules 

and perfectly fine with 

Democrats proposing to change the rules

why is that?

where was your outcry before the 2020 election

when the Democrats were changing the rules so close to the election?

Edited June 1, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[dialamah]

39 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

when the Democrats were changing the rules so close to the election?

What rules or laws did the Dems change just before the 2020 election?  I know they made especial effort to validate voting forms in some jurisdictions, which many considered changing the rules, but was legal and was something Republicans could have done as well.  But what else did the Dems do?

Generally, I've no doubt Dems have engaged in the same kind of gerrymandering the Republicans have; have they ever made a concerted effort to make it more difficult for people in general, and especially those who might vote Republican, to vote?  Honestly asking, because I don't know 

 

[Yzermandius19]

17 minutes ago, dialamah said:

What rules or laws did the Dems change just before the 2020 election?  I know they made especial effort to validate voting forms in some jurisdictions, which many considered changing the rules, but was legal and was something Republicans could have done as well.  But what else did the Dems do?

Generally, I've no doubt Dems have engaged in the same kind of gerrymandering the Republicans have; have they ever made a concerted effort to make it more difficult for people in general, and especially those who might vote Republican, to vote?  Honestly asking, because I don't know 

 

the Democrats changed the mail-in voting rules in multiple states

to allow for voting long before election day

and in some instances allowing mail in votes that were post marked after election day

to be counted

 

also Democrats engage in the same kind of gerrymandering that Republicans do

if you doubt it, it is simply because you only look for it when Republicans do it

and the media sources you follow only like to mention when Republicans do it

many blue states literally have some of the same voting regulations

that are dubbed as voter suppression by Democrats

when red states attempt to implement them

and they don't cry voter suppression in the blue states with the same rules

they only cry voter suppression when the red states do it

to falsely claim it is based on racism

 

it's all partisan hackery

the muh voter suppression narrative is bullshit

peddled by Democrats and their media sycophants

those who are prone to believing in ridiculous systemic racism arguments

often fall for it

despite how obvious it is that this is the case

Edited June 1, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[dialamah]

30 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

also Democrats engage in the same kind of gerrymandering that Republicans do

Isn't that what I said?

30 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

it is simply because you only look for it when Republicans do it

I don't look for it.  I only realized it was a thing because of some documentary I watched that described both Republican/Democrat gerrymandering.

32 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

the media sources you follow only like to mention when Republicans do it

Lately, most of my "media sources" are from the two political forums I read.  I avoid virtually all other political punditry, and only watch Global news for local content.  Tired to death of Trump, he's not Prez any more and doesn't need all the coverage he still gets.  

37 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

many blue states literally have some of the same voting regulations

That's interesting; which States?

[Yzermandius19]

21 minutes ago, dialamah said:

that's interesting; which States?

New York has voter ID laws, and no cries of racism from Democrats or their media sycophants about that

but if Georgia wants voter ID laws, then it's somehow racist to these people

when a blue state does it, there is no cry of voter suppression from the very people crying loudest about red state voter suppression, for doing the same thing the blue state did

it's a total double standard driven by partisan hackery

Edited June 1, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Infidel Dog]

2 hours ago, myata said:

Everyone is entitled to ignore anything in the forum that does not follow the conventions of a good discussion. The questions raised in the topic have not been answered: why concerted effort to change election rules; how is it related to ungrounded claims of election win; and motivation of specific proposed changes have not been answered so far.

Which questions have not been answered?

The integrity of American elections was called into question whether Courts had the nuts to listen to the evidence or nut. Even the Supremes didn't deny something hinky was going on. They simply said they didn't think there were enough questionable votes put before them to matter. There were many more complaints than that one though and they were never addressed. 

New rules were brought in for the 2020 election weakening the security of the election process using the pandemic as an excuse.

You were given examples:

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When leftists accuse Republicans of stripping early voting by rolling back drive-through and outdoor voting, they maliciously leave out the context that these voting methods were allowed only in response to the Wuhan coronavirus and did not exist before 2020. 

Another one would be the other example you were given of Trump having a legal battle with your heroes at Brennan over the use of insecure ballot boxes. Trump was proven right about that one when video appeared of all sorts of shady characters turning up pulling wagons or carrying coolers of ballots wandering into the counting center at 3 in the morning after ballot centers were supposed to be closed. 

Here's another example, of things the Dems tried to slip in under cover of Covid:

Judge rules Benson's ballot signature verification guidance 'invalid'

"State Court of Claims Judge Christopher Murray has ruled invalid Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson's guidance issued to Michigan clerks in early October that instructed them to presume the accuracy of absentee ballot signatures."

There are also items being addressed in election security bills that have been on the agenda for years. You were given an example of one of those as well:

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More than eight-in-ten Texas voters back requiring photo ID to vote, showing support for election safeguards. Bringing the same security through identity verification to absentee voting just makes sense. Further helping Texas voters have more confidence in their votes, a new online system will allow individual voters to track their absentee ballot applications and know when their vote is counted.

Your OP is nonsense. Your complaint that its issues have not been addressed is also nonsense.

 

 

[Infidel Dog]

Now as to the corporate media and the Progressive Socialists insistence there is 'nothing to see here' as far as questions concerning the security of the 2020 election...

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Here are the questions I want answered.
        -- If Democrats didn't rig and steal the election, why are they so afraid of forensic audits in key battleground states, specifically the current audit in Arizona?
        -- When Trump was an 8-to-1 landslide favorite with bettors around the world late on election night and clearly headed toward a landslide electoral victory, why did five states suddenly announce they would pause counting for the night? And how come Biden was suddenly ahead by morning?
        -- How come Michigan apparently had a dump of 149,772 votes at 6:31 a.m. on Nov. 4, 96% of which went to Biden?
        -- How did Wisconsin count 149,520 votes for Biden from 3:26 to 3:44 a.m. on Nov. 4?
        -- How come Philadelphia vote counters were so desperate to keep witnesses out of the counting room? Why did they refuse entry to witnesses (to Republicans) until those witnesses had a court order in hand?
        -- Why were the windows in a vote-counting location in Detroit covered with cardboard so nobody (no Republican) could see inside?
        -- There are videotapes filmed in Detroit of vans pulling up in the middle of the night with what obviously look like boxes of ballots. In Atlanta, there are videotapes that clearly show ballot containers appearing at a vote-counting location after a fake water main break was used to force all GOP witnesses out of the counting room. Why can't we discuss these videotapes?
        -- How come Twitter banned me for life over mentioning these videotapes?
        -- How come the Arizona Senate's liaison for the vote audit says Maricopa County hasn't complied with the subpoena by turning over passwords to Dominion voting machines?
        -- How come the Biden DOJ suddenly wants to stop the Arizona audit?

https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/05/09/heres-how-you-know-democrats-rigged-and-stole-the-2020-election-n2589148

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In the end, that's the proof Democrats rigged and stole the 2020 presidential election. The truth is in their ridiculous, heavy-handed overreaction. They're desperate to stop you from looking into or even talking about this.

Democrats are guilty as sin.

 

 

Edited June 1, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[myata]

Maybe it's obvious or maybe not so just in case a clarification. I'm not against any and all changes proposed by the Republicans and the same goes for the Democrats; clearly, election practices and procedures cannot remain unchanged in centuries years. The specific concerns should be clear from the title: the changes that reduce legitimate options to vote; any possible or intended bias of the changes; and the coincidence or correlation with the ungrounded and false claims of the election fraud.

[Infidel Dog]

Myself, I don't think the new election integrity bills go far enough. I didn't see anything in them banning the crooked voting machines. 

And there's what I think is a major, major issue that is being ignored.

That's the issue of Dark Money being slipped in to make sure the count goes the way dodgy but rich characters would like.

Sharyl Attkisson offers an example:

How Zuckerberg money funded election officials in 2020 vote

I'm not sure why the sillies who insist the Republicans are the ones with all the money wouldn't agree with me on that one.

[bush_cheney2004]

8 minutes ago, myata said:

 The specific concerns should be clear from the title: the changes that reduce legitimate options to vote; any possible or intended bias of the changes; and the coincidence or correlation with the ungrounded and false claims of the election fraud.

 

The title /OP does nothing to address legitimate concerns about voting fraud....dead voters, illegal immigrant voting, registration fraud, etc.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

the Democrats changed the mail-in voting rules in multiple states

In addition to what you said, there was at least one instance where Democrats overstepped their appointed powers by unilaterally making changes that required approval from the legislature.

I think it was an AG who changed the voting law from: signatures on ballots must match signatures on file to everything counts.

 

What the thread is also neglecting is the fact that this election had the appearance of a huge Trump win, due to the fact that he was getting tens of thousands of people to come to multiple rallies a week while Biden was doing a few rallies a month and only getting 200 or less attendees. The fact that covid was kicking around had nothing to do with low attendance numbers for the bidet because Demmies showed up en masse for the rioting in the summer. 

 

The election was mailed-in, which is by far the easiest way to defraud the democratic process. CNN might just as well decide the president themselves based on their own polling. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Maybe it's obvious or maybe not so just in case a clarification. I'm not against any and all changes proposed by the Republicans and the same goes for the Democrats; clearly, election practices and procedures cannot remain unchanged in centuries years. The specific concerns should be clear from the title: the changes that reduce legitimate options to vote; any possible or intended bias of the changes; and the coincidence or correlation with the ungrounded and false claims of the election fraud.

Your sudden change of heart is reminiscent of the people who say "ALL WOMEN MUST BE BELIEVED, REGARDLESS OF EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE AND VAGUE, BASELESS ALLEGATIONS!" one day and "That woman and her witnesses are obviously lying, because the accused is a leftist. I won't even listen to the allegations, or consider their evidence" the next. 

[myata]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The title /OP does nothing to address legitimate concerns about voting fraud....dead voters, illegal immigrant voting, registration fraud, etc.

It is not an all-encompassing discussion of the election process and was never intended to be. True on departure.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, myata said:

It is not an all-encompassing discussion of the election process and was never intended to be. True on departure.

 

Obviously....it was intended to focus on Republicans, without regard for the underlying issues regardless of party.

[myata]

The issue of suppressing voting, possibly by ethnic / racial factor as mentioned, these days just happens to be associated with that particular party. I do not critique the party, but specific acts that endanger freedom of elections as a key foundation of democracy. And if any other party is shown to be involved in voting influence or suppression, by any factor, I would be just as ready to condemn it.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, myata said:

The issue of suppressing voting, possibly by ethnic / racial factor as mentioned, these days just happens to be associated with that particular party. I do not critique the party, but specific acts that endanger freedom of elections as a key foundation of democracy. And if any other party is shown to be involved in voting influence or suppression, by any factor, I would be just as ready to condemn it.

Do you realize that your post was just bullshit though? 

I could accuse you of being racist too, that doesn't make it true, and it doesn't make it worth repeating.

The fact of the matter is that nothing the GOP has done was racist, nor was it designed to disenfranchise minorities. The GOP has taken steps to ensure election integrity, period.

When CNN says "THEY MADE IT ILLEGAL TO BRING WATER TO PEOPLE WHO ARE LINED UP TO VOTE! IT'S APOCALYPTIC!!!!!" The truth is, they made it illegal to suggest how people should vote while you bring them water. 

Cite an exact instance where the GOP made a law that actually disenfranchises people myata. I dare you.

I can cite several laws that the Dems made which are voter-fraud-friendly. 1) no ID required to vote 2) mailing out ballots to people who haven't requested them 3) ballot harvesting 4) signatures on mail-in ballots don't have to match, etc. Every single one of those laws is a blatant green light for election fraudsters. They also don't care at all that big tech unethically influenced the last election by censoring factual reporting and allowing false news to be propagated unchecked. Biden actually welcomed big tech execs into key gov't positions. Do you care myata? No, you don't, because Dem election fraud is widespread and in your face.

This is their pattern: they commit massive fraud and then raise a massive ruckus over non-existent fraud from the other side. Case in point - they cheated 3x on the 2016 election yet every single dem voter thinks that Trump was the election cheater although he didn't cheat at all. Case in point - the Dems supported/incited/lionized rioting for 3 years when civilians and cops were being assaulted and murdered, then they acted like the 2-hr mini-riot of 2021 was the most appalling thing to happen to America since 9/11. The list goes on. Grab some coffee.

[Yzermandius19]

3 hours ago, myata said:

And if any other party is shown to be involved in voting influence or suppression, by any factor, I would be just as ready to condemn it.

I pointed out to you that many Blue States run by Democrats have implemented voter ID laws

yet I don't see you condemning them or questioning their motives, like you do when Republicans do the same thing

either you are partisan hack hypocrite, who only cares when the party you don't like does it, and are out to use "voter suppression" as a handy tool to demonize Republicans as racists

or

you will acknowledge the Democrats do it too, so you will now condemn them and question their motives as well now, to prove you can be consistent and aren't being a partisan hack hypocrite about this

which will it be?

Edited June 2, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Infidel Dog]

Myata's OP offered us some claim from some badly named partisan hack organization that new voter integrity laws in Republican states were suppressing votes. When you look into it that's crap and Myata can't give any evidence of voting being suppressed by the new laws, so instead he flips flops around and one starts to wonder what his actual point is now.

[WestCanMan]

I'm pretty sick of all the baseless allegations of racism by leftists, and the overwhelming bombardment of lies, hypocrisy and stupidity. 

You'd think that eventually they'd get sick of having all of their hyperbolic narratives undermined by facts, but they seem to have an insatiable hunger for new baseless allegations which will eventually wind up in the exact same trash heap as the old ones.

Lie, slander, get exposed, lie louder, switch the topic to new lies & slander, get exposed, lie louder, rinse, repeat. 

[Infidel Dog]

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm pretty sick of all the baseless allegations of racism by leftists, and the overwhelming bombardment of lies, hypocrisy and stupidity. 

I hear ya, Man...

[Infidel Dog]

But if the OP can offer up the Progressive Socialists from the Brennan Lawfare organization or whatever it's called as the source for its claims I think it's fair that the other side get a chance to speak.

This guy goes through the Texas bill item by item looking for voter suppression and can't find any:

 

Edited June 2, 2021 by Infidel Dog