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1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

I would have to say that I have never heard that to be the case.  In fact, I think Trump profited greatly while he was President, given he never really gave up any of his business holdings.  Then there's all the money the wide eyed election fraud believers sent him to fight for justice.  I seem to remember most of that going into a box under his bed.

It's very true that all politicians have done things they should be ashamed of.  If you think that Trump having done more of them than any other politician is somehow a virtue, I would have to disagree.

And, he's such a complete arsehole too.  I mean, that's got to count for something.

Trump lost money

by running for office

this is well known fact

his political haters boycotted him because he ran

a problem he never had prior to doing so

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15 minutes ago, myata said:

...Funny now to equate critique of a political person for very clear and factual transgressions (like "we won the election", "find me the xyz votes") with partisanship. In other, different countries it could be called personality cult, see no evil in mine.

 

The Trump haters did the same thing after he actually won the 2016 election...there is no satisfying their partisanship...or yours.   Canadians wailed about democracy and the "popular vote" (and then proceeded to do the exact same thing in their own election [Conservatives got more votes too]).

Sorry, but the "democracy" game is what it is for America, whether it is Trump, Bush, JFK, FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, Abe Lincoln, or Andrew Jackson.   Politics and partisanship all, and it will remain that way until the end.   That is how we roll.

Dictators around the world wish they had it so good.

 

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1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Trump lost money

by running for office

this is well known fact

his political haters boycotted him because he ran

a problem he never had prior to doing so

No, I don't believe that.  He raised over 200 million just to fight election fraud.  He didn't spend it yet.

Of course, given he owns a lot of office properties, and everyone's working from home, those may have taken a hit.  But that's not related to him being President.  In fact, he might have exacerbated the problem with his brain dead COVID policies.

Does he own any bleach manufacturers?

And from what I understand, prior to him running for office, he couldn't operate a lemonade stand without losing money, even if his dad provided the stand, and the lemonade.

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12 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The Trump haters did the same thing after he actually won the 2016 election...Dictators around the world wish they had it so good.

Sorry, the logic is lost on me. Did I say that he did not win it? Or the idea is because he won one, it's by default that he has to win any and all others? Winning an election does not give him or anyone else a carte blanche and free ticket to do and say whatever they like, without critical assessment and reaction. That in fact would be a failure of critical thinking that led to many, many problems. And in the evolution nothing is guaranteed.

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5 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

No, I don't believe that.  He raised over 200 million just to fight election fraud.  He didn't spend it yet.

Of course, given he owns a lot of office properties, and everyone's working from home, those may have taken a hit.  But that's not related to him being President.  In fact, he might have exacerbated the problem with his brain dead COVID policies.

Does he own any bleach manufacturers?

And from what I understand, prior to him running for office, he couldn't operate a lemonade stand without losing money, even if his dad provided the stand, and the lemonade.

what you believe has nothing to do with reality

wishful thinking is a helluva drug

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9 minutes ago, myata said:

Sorry, the logic is lost on me. Did I say that he did not win it? Or the idea is because he won one, it's by default that he has to win any and all others? Winning an election does not give him or anyone else a carte blanche and free ticket to do and say whatever they like, without critical assessment and reaction. That in fact would be a failure of critical thinking that led to many, many problems. And in the evolution nothing is guaranteed.

 

Yes, you missed the point entirely.   Trump's victory in 2016 using the same "democracy" was criticized and declared illegitimate by the same partisan groups, but did you express outrage at the time ?

Nothing should ever be guaranteed...except death.

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16 hours ago, taxesanddeath said:

Can op give us an example on  voting suppression?

And he replied:

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That's exactly what it gave.

Well that's BS...

I can show you what he's afraid to show you, though.

He sources the Brennan Center for Justice but doesn't want to give you a link so here you go.

Voting Laws Roundup: May 2021

There's nothing much there that prevents or puts new restrictions on pre-covid voting regulations. They simply restrict the exploits organizations like BCfJ brought in under the veil of the pandemic.

BCfJ are the guys that fought trump on the legality of ballot drop boxes in Philladelphia. 

Wikipedia describes Brennan Center for Justice as "The Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law is a [2] law and public policy institute generally considered liberal or progressive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brennan_Center_for_Justice

The British Progaganda rag, The Guardian fanboys them so that's all you really need to know.

There's one restriction they might have a point on but I haven't heard both sides on it and it's slightly different than what Myata told you because there's much more to it than what he offered.

That's the one about limiting voting on Sundays in Texas. The restriction doesn't actually ban Sunday voting. It restricts the special early voting hours that are available Monday to Friday. Other states tried this but walked the sections of the bills back after criticism. 

I believe the Texas bill is expected to pass tonight. Progressive lawfare organizations like the Brennan Center for Justice are expected to launch lawsuits.

The Progressive argument against shorter weekend hours is they have this organization set up under the cover of religion called "Souls to the Polls" that makes sure black church goers get to the polls after morning services.

Texas might want to do what other states did and give them that one. That might not be the hill to die on.

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12 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Yes, you missed the point entirely.   Trump's victory in 2016 using the same "democracy" was criticized and declared illegitimate by the same partisan groups, but did you express outrage at the time ?

Is that an attempt to create an alternative history with alternative facts? Did someone fail to concede that election? Did they state multiple times and publicly "no we won the election" contrary to declared results? Did they ask / or order? election officials to find votes? Did they ask partisan state legislatures to discard the results of the election?

Thanks for a great illustration that blind partisanship "we must be right no matter what" past the ability to see and analyze events and actions critically does not work without stretching the truth and the reality at some point. One, blind faith or the reality will have to give. And this is nothing new either.

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10 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

The Progressive argument against shorter weekend hours is they have this organization set up under the cover of religion called "Souls to the Polls" that makes sure black church goers get to the polls after morning services.

Trying to distill it to the point, so is there anything wrong with people going to the polls? Or only the right people should go to the polls freely and uninhibited after their services?

And if so, how would it be NOT voting suppression and at that possibly, with racial motives?

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3 minutes ago, myata said:

Trying to distill it to the point, so is there anything wrong with people going to the polls? Or only the right people should go to the polls freely and uninhibited after their services?

And if so, how would it be NOT voting suppression and at that possibly, with racial motives?

voting is irrelevant now, functioning democratic safety valves have failed

this is war now

Marshall McLuhan's guerrilla information war

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1 hour ago, myata said:

Is that an attempt to create an alternative history with alternative facts? Did someone fail to concede that election? Did they state multiple times and publicly "no we won the election" contrary to declared results?

Hillary still claims Russia stole the election from her

do you only pay attention when Republicans criticize election results

and not when Democrats do it?

because if not, then it makes no sense that you would think this is something that only Trump does

Democrats did in this in 2000, when Gore lost to Bush too

and they disputed the 2000 election, far more than Trump ever disputed the 2020 election

Democrats in fact, complain about election results where they lose, more than Republicans do

both parties do it, it's not only one side disputing election results

and they do it, when their side loses a particularly close election, unsurprisingly

 

this isn't new

claiming that it is new

and the Orange Man is uniquely bad

shows a total lack of historical knowledge

of American political history

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23 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

this isn't new

because contrary to popular sentiment, the left does believe in democracy

the left was not born of democracy, the left was born in the terror of the French Revolution

the ultimate leftist position will always be to legislate from the streets with the guillotines

most leftist of course, are just useful idiots going with the crowd, they never seek the origins of their own dogma

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On 5/30/2021 at 5:08 AM, myata said:

After the 2020 presidential election the Republican party initiated a program of tightening election legislation in the states that it controls.

Your whole post is just worthless BS and blather unless you have some kind of a cite with actual facts, and FYI someone on CNN talking doesn't count.

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"Election" is not a word, it is a key and critical democratic institution. In this century even dictatorships strive to keep a facade of legitimacy via some sort of "election". The instruments they use is limiting access to vote; and manipulating with the the results of the vote. Both have been tried and are being tried by Republican party now.

Common sense is also more than just a word. 

1) The Dems got caught cheating 3x in the 2016 election (the Dems schemed against Bernie, Hillary was given debate questions by CNN, Hillary colluded with Russians). Why are you all ears when they make accusations against other people?

2) Everyone in the US needs ID to drive, take out library books, etc. They need ID for things that aren't even important. Voting is important, and so is the integrity of elections. Can you make an intelligent case why people shouldn't need ID to vote? Can you explain to me how poor black people are too __________ to get ID but poor white people somehow manage? What word would you use to finish that sentence without sounding racist? 

3) CNN and the Demmies blatantly lied about the Georgia voting bill, saying things like "It prevents people from even bringing water to voters while they're lined up to vote! They do that to discourage people from voting!" Actually, the bill doesn't prevent anyone from bringing you water if they're just being altruistic, they just can't do it while they're encouraging you to vote one way or another. FYI harassing people who are lined up to vote is actually a very serious form of voter fraud. There are laws against "campaigning" too close to polling booths, for very good reason.

 

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5 hours ago, myata said:

Is that an attempt to create an alternative history with alternative facts? Did someone fail to concede that election? Did they state multiple times and publicly "no we won the election" contrary to declared results? Did they ask / or order? election officials to find votes? Did they ask partisan state legislatures to discard the results of the election?

 

Yes...several House Democrats most certainly did so, going so far as to challenge Electoral College vote certification.    Your "partisanship" is very obvious, even from Canada.

 

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A challenge by several House Democrats to Donald Trump’s election on Friday collapsed when they failed to persuade a single Democratic senator to join their protest.

The short-lived, doomed-from-the-start effort — spearheaded by Reps. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas and Barbara Lee of California — came during a joint meeting of the House and Senate to certify Trump’s Electoral College victory.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/no-trump-electoral-college-challenge-233294

 

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4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Yes...several House Democrats most certainly did so, going so far as to challenge Electoral College vote certification.    Your "partisanship" is very obvious, even from Canada.

Wait, does "several House representatives" equal the president of the country (ostensibly not the third world one, or not yet) asking / ordering an election official to find him missing votes to "win"? For the record I do not condone those who voted against the popular vote, two wrongs don't make right and cannot justify each other.

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22 minutes ago, myata said:

Wait, does "several House representatives" equal the president of the country (ostensibly not the third world one, or not yet) asking / ordering an election official to find him missing votes to "win"?

Al Gore did that

even took that challenge all the way to the SCOTUS

are you new to US politics or something?

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55 minutes ago, myata said:

Wait, does "several House representatives" equal the president of the country (ostensibly not the third world one, or not yet) asking / ordering an election official to find him missing votes to "win"? For the record I do not condone those who voted against the popular vote, two wrongs don't make right and cannot justify each other.

 

Doesn't matter what you condone....it is all partisan politics...and you are still playing to your partisan side...because it matters to you in Canada.

Democrats trying to suppress the certification of the 2016 election by members of the House is far more than voter suppression.

In 2017, Democrats protested the Electoral College vote certifications of more states than did Republicans in 2021.

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True.

Even though Republicans were able to get two objections formally considered in 2021, they objected to votes from only six states. It should be noted, however, that the Capitol riot earlier in the day kept the number of objections lower than expected.

In 2017, House Democrats objected to votes from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Wisconsin. Objections also were made after the announcement of votes from Mississippi, Michigan and Wyoming, adding up to nine states. None of the nine objections was considered because they lacked the signature of a senator.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-democrats-object-more-states-2016-republicans-2020-1561407

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Turns out there was a lot more to the new Texas Bills than just shortening weekend voting hours:

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In Texas, the most conservative legislative session in a generation is wrapping up.

* Constitutional carry

* 2nd amendment sanctuary state

* Heartbeat bill

* Election integrity

* Stop cities from defunding police

* Crack down on rioters & protesters

 

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