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3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I guess you must hate Queen Victoria. And Elizabeth. I'll send her a note.

It is the prerogative of the left to hate the very thing that provides them with the freedom to hate it.

Let's all give a damn, what they think they're entitled to.

You people are literally social cancer

I really don't think religion has ever given me the freedom to do anything.

You are a social cancer!

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12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

some deserve more credit than others

all religions are not the same

many of the older religions were barbaric by comparison to some of the newer ones

the Pagans were not as moral as their monotheistic counterparts, for instance

They wax and wane.  I think the one with the Raven is probably the nicest.  But I'm no scholar.

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1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

the religious impulse is part of that nature

just as reason is

pretending to be above the former is a denial of human nature

No it isn't.  It's just an advancement on certain aspects of that nature.

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26 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

there were far more books than that

the Romans picked and choose the one's they found most acceptable

and that is the bible you know today

the compiled works that got passed the Roman censors

a lot was edited out

The books we have in the KJB were determined as Holy Scripture by the early believers in the church.  Some Romans were believers but as a whole the Roman Empire in the first three hundred years persecuted believers and threw them to the lions. But it was believers in the first few centuries who determined what were inspired holy Scripture  and what were not.  They rejected writings that they believed were not Holy Scripture.  The Apocrapha is a collection of books which were added by the Roman Catholic Church but were rejected after the Protestant Reformation.  That's why we don't see them in the King James Bible.  They are not considered as Holy Scripture.  But to sum it up the books that are accepted as Holy Scripture were determined by believers themselves (men of God).

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2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The books we have in the KJB were determined as Holy Scripture by the early believers in the church.  Some Romans were believers but as a whole the Roman Empire in the first three hundred years persecuted believers and threw them to the lions. But it was believers in the first few centuries who determined what were inspired holy Scripture  and what were not.  They rejected writings that they believed were not Holy Scripture.  The Apocrapha is a collection of books which were added by the Roman Catholic Church but were rejected after the Protestant Reformation.  That's why we don't seem them in the King James Bible.  They are not considered as inspired Holy Scripture.  But to sum it up the books that are accepted as Holy Scripture were determined by believers themselves (men of God).

in other words man determined the content in the bible

and edited accordingly

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1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

same can be said of atheism

so you can climb off your imaginary pedestal and stop looking down on the religious any time now

No, it can't. 

Why?  I'm not suggesting you change pedestals.  Just arguing the relative merits of each.

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Just now, bcsapper said:

No, it can't. 

Why?  I'm not suggesting you change pedestals.  Just arguing the relative merits of each.

yes it can

theists do bad things in the name of religion

atheists do bad things in the name of atheism

it's the same thing

you just give a pass to the atheists

because you're an atheist zealot who can only see wrong doing when the other side does it

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Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

yes it can

theists do bad things in the name of religion

atheists do bad things in the name of atheism

it's the same thing

you just give a pass to the atheists

because you're an atheist zealot who can only see wrong doing when the other side does it

No, that's not right.

I've never heard of atheists doing that in the name of atheism.

I've heard of atheists doing bad things in the name of other brutal ideologies, just like religious people do with theirs.

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3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

No, that's not right.

I've never heard of atheists doing that in the name of atheism.

I've heard of atheists doing bad things in the name of other brutal ideologies, just like religious people do with theirs.

well you never heard of it because of your partisan blinders

and if atheists do bad things in the name of brutal ideologies just like religious people

then the same can be said of atheism, and you just proved my point

so enough of elevating atheism as better than religion

the same crimes you accuse the religious of, have been committed by atheists, sometimes on a far greater scale

nothing about atheism makes atheists any more moral, sane or rational than their theist counterparts

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Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

well you never heard of it because of your partisan blinders

and if atheists do bad things in the name of brutal ideologies just like religious people

then the same can be said of atheism, and you just proved my point

No I didn't, I refuted it.  It's not like proving it.

The ideologies would be the reason, not the atheism.  Which would be incidental.  Like being left handed or good at Sudoku.

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2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

No I didn't, I refuted it.  It's not like proving it.

The ideologies would be the reason, not the atheism.  Which would be incidental.  Like being left handed or good at Sudoku.

atheism is an ideology

people can do good or bad in the name of that ideology

same as any religion

if it is incidental for atheists than it is incidental for theists

if it isn't incidental for theists than it isn't incidental for atheists

enough of the double standard

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12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

in other words man determined the content in the bible

and edited accordingly

Men determined which books were inspired or Holy Scripture, but these were Godly men who believed in God and Jesus Christ.  They did not determine the content of the Bible other than which books were inspired.  They did not "edit" the Bible.  There were very learned translators in the middle ages who were very knowledgeable in the Greek and Hebrew languages who translated the Bible into English in the 16th century.

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2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

atheism is an ideology

people can do good or bad in the name of that ideology

same as any religion

No it's not.  It's handy for religious people to believe so, as it helps to assuage any concern over their belief in theirs.  After all, if one simply has to have an ideology, why not God's?

But it isn't. 

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1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Men determined which books were inspired or Holy Scripture, but these were Godly men who believed in God and Jesus Christ.  They did not determine the content of the Bible other than which books were inspired.  They did not "edit" the Bible.  There were very learned translators in the middle ages who were very knowledgeable in the Greek and Hebrew languages who translated the Bible into English in the 16th century.

Men picked and chose the content

that is editing

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1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

No it's not.  It's handy for religious people to believe so, as it helps to assuage any concern over their belief in theirs.  After all, if one simply has to have an ideology, why not God's?

But it isn't. 

it's handy for atheists to believe so

that way they can feel an unearned sense of superiority

but it isn't

atheism is an ideology

your pedestal is imaginary

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