Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: A book! Just like the Bible. No argument about inhumanity. It is what we are, after all. As nature intended. (Or God intended) the religious impulse is part of that nature just as reason is pretending to be above the former is a denial of human nature Quote
Guest Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: I guess you must hate Queen Victoria. And Elizabeth. I'll send her a note. It is the prerogative of the left to hate the very thing that provides them with the freedom to hate it. Let's all give a damn, what they think they're entitled to. You people are literally social cancer I really don't think religion has ever given me the freedom to do anything. You are a social cancer! Quote
Guest Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: some deserve more credit than others all religions are not the same many of the older religions were barbaric by comparison to some of the newer ones the Pagans were not as moral as their monotheistic counterparts, for instance They wax and wane. I think the one with the Raven is probably the nicest. But I'm no scholar. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: Don't give up your day job to go into aphorism development. That actually doesn't make any sense. yes it does something has to fill the void of nothing no matter how much atheists believe they are above human nature, it is not so Quote
Guest Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: the religious impulse is part of that nature just as reason is pretending to be above the former is a denial of human nature No it isn't. It's just an advancement on certain aspects of that nature. Quote
Guest Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: yes it does something has to fill the void of nothing no matter how much atheists believe they are above human nature, it is not so Human nature: The good bits. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bcsapper said: They wax and wane. I think the one with the Raven is probably the nicest. But I'm no scholar. Golden Calf worship false idolatry if you believe in nothing, you'll believe in anything even a Raven Edited July 4, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 Just now, bcsapper said: Human nature: The good bits. religion is a good bit Quote
Guest Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Golden Calf worship if you believe in nothing, you'll believe in anything even a Raven Well, at least they can see it. Quote
Guest Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: religion is a good bit Sometimes. Sometimes it's pretty brutal and disgusting too. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 Just now, bcsapper said: Well, at least they can see it. unlike many atheists who are blind as a bat when they do the same Quote
Guest Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: unlike many atheists who are blind as a bat when they do the same They just admit the truth. There's nothing to see. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: Sometimes. Sometimes it's pretty brutal and disgusting too. same can be said of atheism so you can climb off your imaginary pedestal and stop looking down on the religious any time now Edited July 4, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote
blackbird Posted July 4, 2021 Author Report Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: there were far more books than that the Romans picked and choose the one's they found most acceptable and that is the bible you know today the compiled works that got passed the Roman censors a lot was edited out The books we have in the KJB were determined as Holy Scripture by the early believers in the church. Some Romans were believers but as a whole the Roman Empire in the first three hundred years persecuted believers and threw them to the lions. But it was believers in the first few centuries who determined what were inspired holy Scripture and what were not. They rejected writings that they believed were not Holy Scripture. The Apocrapha is a collection of books which were added by the Roman Catholic Church but were rejected after the Protestant Reformation. That's why we don't see them in the King James Bible. They are not considered as Holy Scripture. But to sum it up the books that are accepted as Holy Scripture were determined by believers themselves (men of God). Edited July 4, 2021 by blackbird Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: The books we have in the KJB were determined as Holy Scripture by the early believers in the church. Some Romans were believers but as a whole the Roman Empire in the first three hundred years persecuted believers and threw them to the lions. But it was believers in the first few centuries who determined what were inspired holy Scripture and what were not. They rejected writings that they believed were not Holy Scripture. The Apocrapha is a collection of books which were added by the Roman Catholic Church but were rejected after the Protestant Reformation. That's why we don't seem them in the King James Bible. They are not considered as inspired Holy Scripture. But to sum it up the books that are accepted as Holy Scripture were determined by believers themselves (men of God). in other words man determined the content in the bible and edited accordingly Edited July 4, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Guest Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: same can be said of atheism so you can climb off your imaginary pedestal and stop looking down on the religious any time now No, it can't. Why? I'm not suggesting you change pedestals. Just arguing the relative merits of each. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 Just now, bcsapper said: No, it can't. Why? I'm not suggesting you change pedestals. Just arguing the relative merits of each. yes it can theists do bad things in the name of religion atheists do bad things in the name of atheism it's the same thing you just give a pass to the atheists because you're an atheist zealot who can only see wrong doing when the other side does it Quote
Guest Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: yes it can theists do bad things in the name of religion atheists do bad things in the name of atheism it's the same thing you just give a pass to the atheists because you're an atheist zealot who can only see wrong doing when the other side does it No, that's not right. I've never heard of atheists doing that in the name of atheism. I've heard of atheists doing bad things in the name of other brutal ideologies, just like religious people do with theirs. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bcsapper said: No, that's not right. I've never heard of atheists doing that in the name of atheism. I've heard of atheists doing bad things in the name of other brutal ideologies, just like religious people do with theirs. well you never heard of it because of your partisan blinders and if atheists do bad things in the name of brutal ideologies just like religious people then the same can be said of atheism, and you just proved my point so enough of elevating atheism as better than religion the same crimes you accuse the religious of, have been committed by atheists, sometimes on a far greater scale nothing about atheism makes atheists any more moral, sane or rational than their theist counterparts Edited July 4, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Guest Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: well you never heard of it because of your partisan blinders and if atheists do bad things in the name of brutal ideologies just like religious people then the same can be said of atheism, and you just proved my point No I didn't, I refuted it. It's not like proving it. The ideologies would be the reason, not the atheism. Which would be incidental. Like being left handed or good at Sudoku. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bcsapper said: No I didn't, I refuted it. It's not like proving it. The ideologies would be the reason, not the atheism. Which would be incidental. Like being left handed or good at Sudoku. atheism is an ideology people can do good or bad in the name of that ideology same as any religion if it is incidental for atheists than it is incidental for theists if it isn't incidental for theists than it isn't incidental for atheists enough of the double standard Edited July 4, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote
blackbird Posted July 4, 2021 Author Report Posted July 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: in other words man determined the content in the bible and edited accordingly Men determined which books were inspired or Holy Scripture, but these were Godly men who believed in God and Jesus Christ. They did not determine the content of the Bible other than which books were inspired. They did not "edit" the Bible. There were very learned translators in the middle ages who were very knowledgeable in the Greek and Hebrew languages who translated the Bible into English in the 16th century. Quote
Guest Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: atheism is an ideology people can do good or bad in the name of that ideology same as any religion No it's not. It's handy for religious people to believe so, as it helps to assuage any concern over their belief in theirs. After all, if one simply has to have an ideology, why not God's? But it isn't. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 1 minute ago, blackbird said: Men determined which books were inspired or Holy Scripture, but these were Godly men who believed in God and Jesus Christ. They did not determine the content of the Bible other than which books were inspired. They did not "edit" the Bible. There were very learned translators in the middle ages who were very knowledgeable in the Greek and Hebrew languages who translated the Bible into English in the 16th century. Men picked and chose the content that is editing Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2021 Report Posted July 4, 2021 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: No it's not. It's handy for religious people to believe so, as it helps to assuage any concern over their belief in theirs. After all, if one simply has to have an ideology, why not God's? But it isn't. it's handy for atheists to believe so that way they can feel an unearned sense of superiority but it isn't atheism is an ideology your pedestal is imaginary Quote
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