Army Guy Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 In todays world where statues and memorials are being torn down, because they they represent racism in one form or another, Maybe our Antifa, and BLM should set their sights on these memorials How did these even get approval to be put up, they have stood for 15 years now, . Oh it gets better someone painted them "Nazi war memorials" and now they are looking to charge them with a hate crime.... How did this world get turned upside down... We can't have statues of Canadian PM's because they may have been a wee bit racist, but we can have war memorials for a NAZI SS Division. That did far far worse than John A MacDonald, And not one but 2, one in Ontario and one in Edmonton https://nypost.com/2020/07/18/defaced-nazi-memorial-in-canada-investigated-as-hate-crime/ https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2018/08/13/shukhevych-monument-canada-oun-upa/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Army Guy said: In todays world where statues and memorials are being torn down, because they they represent racism in one form or another, Maybe our Antifa, and BLM should set their sights on these memorials How did these even get approval to be put up, they have stood for 15 years now, . Oh it gets better someone painted them "Nazi war memorials" and now they are looking to charge them with a hate crime.... How did this world get turned upside down... We can't have statues of Canadian PM's because they may have been a wee bit racist, but we can have war memorials for a NAZI SS Division. That did far far worse than John A MacDonald, And not one but 2, one in Ontario and one in Edmonton https://nypost.com/2020/07/18/defaced-nazi-memorial-in-canada-investigated-as-hate-crime/ https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2018/08/13/shukhevych-monument-canada-oun-upa/ IIRC you're talking about Ukrainian divisions of the SS that signed up to fight against Russia. In the grand scheme of things those people are on the wrong side of history, but signing up to fight against Russia in the '30s (after the Holdomor) was quite understandable. Hitler made it clear that Russia/Communists were the enemy of Germany and that was music to the ears to the people whose whole families were killed by Stalin. Circa 1935 Hitler was vastly more popular than Stalin worldwide. Tearing those statues down just breeds ignorance of history. History is far too complicated for the average leftist to comprehend. In 99.9% of cases monuments to "Nazis" are definitely bad, but imo those "Nazis" went into the war with 'good' intentions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted July 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, WestCanMan said: IIRC you're talking about Ukrainian divisions of the SS that signed up to fight against Russia. In the grand scheme of things those people are on the wrong side of history, but signing up to fight against Russia in the '30s (after the Holdomor) was quite understandable. Hitler made it clear that Russia/Communists were the enemy of Germany and that was music to the ears to the people whose whole families were killed by Stalin. Circa 1935 Hitler was vastly more popular than Stalin worldwide. Tearing those statues down just breeds ignorance of history. History is far too complicated for the average leftist to comprehend. In 99.9% of cases monuments to "Nazis" are definitely bad, but imo those "Nazis" went into the war with 'good' intentions. NO, in the grand scheme of things these men signed up to be part of an German SS unit, one that has been accused with killing polish women and children and much worse, Allied troops spent a great deal of energy to weed out German regular military troops from the SS troops, because of the crimes they had committed.. Including the murdering of Canadians troops just after D-Day, i get it a different SS unit.... I'm sure Canadian soldiers for those units are more than pleased to find out there is 2 memorials set up to honor these SS troops in our nations cities.... I'm not saying mother Russia was innocent of any war crimes, neither is Canada, and we don't have any memorials set up to honor Stalin here in Canada , atleast i hope not........But you don't get a pass because they just killed Russia's, what about the polish women and children they murdered, along with the countless others we have not heard about....These units were brutal by all means, each and everyone of them... One has to ask ourselves , 10 years from now would it be ok to set up a memorial for the Taliban in downtown Ottawa, for those that fought just Russians, or just Americans. and then have a Canadian charged with a hate crime for painting it.....As much as i love the left, thats crossing a line.... Besides they have a paragraph recorded in history books for all to read, if anyone is interested, what they don't deserve is a memorial to honor those that served or took part in the crimes they did.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: NO, in the grand scheme of things these men signed up to be part of an German SS unit, one that has been accused with killing polish women and children and much worse, I didn't know that the unit honoured in the memorial had committed war crimes in Poland. I was under the impression that they had fought against Russians. That's not what I heard. I didn't even know about that memorial until a day or two ago. I'll try and find the original story I was quoting. I don't even remember where I saw it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) We shouldn't have the memorials, obviously, but I'm glad I wasn't a young Eastern European man in WWII. There were no easy choices to make. As pointed out above, Ukrainians died in their millions under Stalin and the SS was fighting the Russian invaders. I certainly don't deny the unique evil of the Nazis but a world war is a complex matter. Even countries in Western Europe like Switzerland, Sweden and Ireland that stayed neutral still get a lot of stick from some predictable quarters of the anglosphere. Finland comes in for less criticism than Ireland even though Finnish forces did invade the Soviet Union alongside the Germans. In fairness, they only took back what they considered to be Finnish territory. I guess the reality of previous Soviet aggression is undeniable with Finland. An elderly Hungarian friend told me a story from Budapest at war's end. Her father had heard a crazy rumour that the Americans were about to arrive before the Russians, so he ventured out of the house to greet them. When he returned crestfallen and without his watch, nothing more needed to be said. Edited July 23, 2020 by SpankyMcFarland 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) We can't change history.....but we can learn from it. Defacing or removing any of the statues is simply an exercise of destructive mob mentality that is far more dangerous than the memories evoked by these long-dead historical figures. They should slap these vandals with heavy fines and give them some time in prison. Nip anarchy in the bud! Edited July 23, 2020 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 Sounds like Russian propaganda to me, which doesn't surprise me at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 On 7/21/2020 at 6:10 PM, Army Guy said: ..... We can't have statues of Canadian PM's because they may have been a wee bit racist, but we can have war memorials for a NAZI SS Division. That did far far worse than John A MacDonald, And not one but 2, one in Ontario and one in Edmonton https://nypost.com/2020/07/18/defaced-nazi-memorial-in-canada-investigated-as-hate-crime/ https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2018/08/13/shukhevych-monument-canada-oun-upa/ Now being investigated as vandalism. I'm assuming it exists because it's in a 'private cemetery', but still hard to believe that it was actually erected. Still, it's on a par with tire marks on a rainbow street crossing being investigated as a 'hate crime'... what isn't 'hate' nowadays. https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/graffiti-on-memorial-to-nazi-ss-division-now-being-investigated-as-vandalism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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