Trump knew that Pandemic was coming in late January... but ignored it.

[godzilla]

Trump was warned in January of Covid-19's devastating impact, memos reveal

"The Navarro memos, first reported by the New York Times and Axios, were written by Navarro on 29 January and 23 February. The first memo, composed on the day Trump set up a White House coronavirus task force, gave a worst-case scenario of the virus killing more than half a million Americans.

The second memo went even further, predicting that a Covid-19 pandemic, left unchecked, could kill 1.2 million Americans and infect as many as 100 million."

 

Edited May 5, 2020 by godzilla

[bush_cheney2004]

Sure...Trump ignored it so much he banned travel from China in late January.

 

[godzilla]

14 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Sure...Trump ignored it so much he banned travel from China in late January.

 

his supporters keep riding that. it was a smart move. and then the markets reacted and the moves ended.

Edited May 4, 2020 by godzilla

[bush_cheney2004]

10 minutes ago, godzilla said:

his supporters keep riding that. it was a smart move. and then the markets reacted and the moves ended.

 

So in other words, Trump did not "ignore it".

Try again....

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, godzilla said:

his supporters keep riding that. it was a smart move.

Except it really wasn't a ban at all. Its even stupider that people still say it was. 

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Sure...Trump ignored it so much he banned travel from China in late January.

Not all travel, only some travel.  40,000 people still arrived from China after the ban.  So you know, pretty lame ban.  

Of course, Trump then counteracted any efficacy the ban may have had by downplaying the seriousness of the virus, promoting fake cures, and providing absolutely no leadership in regards to effective pandemic control - which is physical distancing and testing.  

[bush_cheney2004]

33 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Not all travel, only some travel.  40,000 people still arrived from China after the ban.  So you know, pretty lame ban.  

Of course, Trump then counteracted any efficacy the ban may have had by downplaying the seriousness of the virus, promoting fake cures, and providing absolutely no leadership in regards to effective pandemic control - which is physical distancing and testing.  

 

So again, Trump did not "ignore it".  

In fact, Trump was severely criticized for the travel ban as "waycist"....so hard to ignore all the resulting noise too.

[Tdot]

2 hours ago, godzilla said:

his supporters keep riding that. it was a smart move. 

Okay, so now you can delete this dumb, deceitful thread. Yes. Since you just admitted, yourself, he got the Navarro memo then made "a smart move" ---altho at first you said "he ignored" the Navarro memo ... lol ... So which one is it?? He made a smart move, or he ignored it? 

[Tdot]

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Not all travel, only some travel.  40,000 people still arrived from China after the ban.  So you know, pretty lame ban.  

 

No, you're dead wrong here.

The ban was actually pretty, awesome, considering how nearly 300,000 people arrived from China during the few weeks before the ban.

Going from about 300,000/month to about 15,000/month is a pretty big deal.

Edited May 5, 2020 by Tdot

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, Tdot said:

Going from about 300,000/month to about 15,000/month is a pretty big deal.

0 would have been a ban.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

0 would have been a ban.

 

Wrong....U.S. nationals, resident aliens, etc. cannot be banned.

[Tdot]

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

0 would have been a ban.

His time was preoccupied with an, impeachment hoax, so he gets a pass for making ill-informed/rushed decisions for sure.

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Tdot said:

His time was preoccupied with an, impeachment hoax,

Awwww.

so he gets a pass for making ill-informed/rushed decisions for sure.

Oh for sure...the poor thing. Its so unfair. 

[Tdot]

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Awwww.

Its so unfair. 

For sure!

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, godzilla said:

Trump was warned in January of Covid-19's devastating impact, memos reveal

"The Navarro memos, first reported by the New York Times and Axios, were written by Navarro on 29 January and 23 February. The first memo, composed on the day Trump set up a White House coronavirus task force, gave a worst-case scenario of the virus killing more than half a million Americans.

The second memo went even further, predicting that a Covid-19 pandemic, left unchecked, could kill 1.2 million Americans and infect as many as 100 million."

 

So Trump saved America's bacon with his travel ban, while our PM, who received covid intel from the US, hid in his basement with his blankie and did nothing to protect Canadians. As a result Canadians suffered far more than we would have if we had Trump instead of the village idiot:

CANADA vs CALIFORNIA - Almost twice as many Canadians are DEAD, we have a smaller population, we have 1/25th the pop density.

Travel from China was banned Jan 31

Cali: 40M people, 424,000sk km, pop density 94 people per sq km (25x our pop density)  2,172 deaths

Canada: 38M people, 10M sq km, 3.8 people per sq km. 3,854 deaths. 3,854/2,172 = 1.8x as many Canadians died from Covid.

California is a great comp for Canada imo. They have LA County with 10M, we have the GTA with 6M, the also have SD, SF, Sacramento etc. The comp actually gives us a huge advantage because we have a much lower population density, but they still have less deaths than us.

[godzilla]

California is a great example, WestCanMan! governed by Democrats, stay at home orders were the first in the nation on March 19th. Trumps administration has yet to endorse stay at home distancing.

[Boges]

It seems clear he was warned about this earlier. And a unilateral Chinese Ban is next to useless. The disease was probably already in the country. 

He delayed calling for Social Distancing. He chastised staff that gave dire warnings. 

[Tdot]

43 minutes ago, Boges said:

It seems clear he was warned about this earlier. And a unilateral Chinese Ban is next to useless. The disease was probably already in the country. 

He delayed calling for Social Distancing. He chastised staff that gave dire warnings. 

I agree, because if you go back to those days, he was constantly dealing with the impeachment hoax and publicly pleading to Pelosi/Schumer to get back to Doing the people's work.  They refused to.  They kept Trump busy with the impeachment hoax ---and this is the resultant.  If you are a deceitful Dem, you need to take responsibility for your actions in supporting an impeachment hoax in terms of how it preoccupied our nation.

[New World Disorder]

15 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Sure...Trump ignored it so much he banned travel from China in late January.

 

And yet the virus came to the USA.  What is it now 60K dead?

[New World Disorder]

48 minutes ago, Boges said:

It seems clear he was warned about this earlier. And a unilateral Chinese Ban is next to useless. The disease was probably already in the country. 

He delayed calling for Social Distancing. He chastised staff that gave dire warnings. 

I am kind of thinking the same thing. This virus was already here before there were notions of lockdowns.

China internally restricted travel from Hubei to the rest of China, but gave no Fs about stopping flights out of Hubei to the rest of the world. An estimate of 1 million people fled Hubei and Wuhan before the lockdown happened. Even if 1% of them were carrying the virus, that is a lot of spread.

In France they found evidence of the virus being there much earlier.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-05/france-discovers-undiagnosed-coronavirus-patient-from-last-year

If that is the case, then it's gone global way before January.

[Boges]

43 minutes ago, Tdot said:

I agree, because if you go back to those days, he was constantly dealing with the impeachment hoax and publicly pleading to Pelosi/Schumer to get back to Doing the people's work.  They refused to.  They kept Trump busy with the impeachment hoax ---and this is the resultant.  If you are a deceitful Dem, you need to take responsibility for your actions in supporting an impeachment hoax in terms of how it preoccupied our nation.

How was he dealing with anything? That was in the Senate and he was almost assured to be acquitted. 

He can't walk and chew gum at the same time? 

[Boges]

20 minutes ago, New World Disorder said:

I am kind of thinking the same thing. This virus was already here before there were notions of lockdowns.

China internally restricted travel from Hubei to the rest of China, but gave no Fs about stopping flights out of Hubei to the rest of the world. An estimate of 1 million people fled Hubei and Wuhan before the lockdown happened. Even if 1% of them were carrying the virus, that is a lot of spread.

In France they found evidence of the virus being there much earlier.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-05/france-discovers-undiagnosed-coronavirus-patient-from-last-year

If that is the case, then it's gone global way before January.

What the solution should have been was isolating, testing and contact tracing. Something Canada has done much better. 

The CDC really dropped the ball regarding testing. 
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/contamination-at-cdc-lab-was-likely-cause-of-critical-early-delays-in-rolling-out-coronavirus-testing-1.4902309

[New World Disorder]

11 minutes ago, Boges said:

What the solution should have been was isolating, testing and contact tracing. Something Canada has done much better. 

The CDC really dropped the ball regarding testing. 
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/contamination-at-cdc-lab-was-likely-cause-of-critical-early-delays-in-rolling-out-coronavirus-testing-1.4902309

I am very very skeptical on the accuracy of these tests. Sure it's early on, but there does not seem to be a coordinated approach from nations on how they go about this. Without a universally accepted test, I don't think we will ever know the real numbers.  At this point I am inclined to believe everyone is eventually going to get the virus. Herd immunity will come long before an acceptable vaccine is available. And as with the tests, I'd be wary of the vaccines that will be peddled by different companies. If they cannot properly test for the virus, what makes one think that they will get the vaccine right?

[Boges]

1 minute ago, New World Disorder said:

I am very very skeptical on the accuracy of these tests. Sure it's early on, but there does not seem to be a coordinated approach from nations on how they go about this. Without a universally accepted test, I don't think we will ever know the real numbers.  At this point I am inclined to believe everyone is eventually going to get the virus. Herd immunity will come long before an acceptable vaccine is available. And as with the tests, I'd be wary of the vaccines that will be peddled by different companies. If they cannot properly test for the virus, what makes one think that they will get the vaccine right?

The WHO had a test but the CDC decided to develop their own. . . which didn't work. 

Peddling ineffective vaccines is exactly why it will and SHOULD take months if not years to develop them. They need to be tested, tested and tested again. 

It's not like treatments Trump has been peddling. You're gravely sick, see if this may work. With a vaccine you're giving a healthy person something that should prevent them getting a disease and not giving them said disease. 

[Tdot]

43 minutes ago, Boges said:

That was in the Senate and he was almost assured to be acquitted. 

 

That's when he became most involved timewise (late DEC - early FEB) because he knew fairness would be assured ---which is why he refused to get involved while the impeachment hoax was still in the unfair House of Reps.

 

43 minutes ago, Boges said:

He can't walk and chew gum at the same time? 

Of course he can.  We all can.  But certainly you cannot expect him to be on top of his job, for the people, when he's spending so much time fighting an impeachment hoax from dec - feb once it finally got some fair attention put on the Dems' Deceit Doctrine.

Edited May 5, 2020 by Tdot