The Coronavirus

[eyeball]

51 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

ER wards are plugged up alright, because of misguided freaked out dipsticks filling it. Fear and panic. People are being asked not to go to the ER because of the waves of frightened rabbits lining up to get a spot inside.

Most hospitals now asking people not to come there, but to take their online assessment tool.

Here's one for all you miserable leftists in BC. Your government wrote this little gem.

Some highlights:

The bolding is not mine. Note that NOWHERE in this list of symptoms does it even say to go to the hospital. The questionnaire is interesting and I hope it will help to give you a better sense of what this virus is about, what the medical professional think you should do. In a nutshell, don't go to the hospital unless you're really sick. really sick means worse than when you had the influenza real bad and you had the chills and the the shits and puke all at once. You are still supposed to stay home for that, and apparently by this information are not to be tested. Dichotomy or no?

 

No, not if you dig a little deeper into your link where it highlights the symptoms that indicate when it's appropriate to call 911 and go to the hospital.

 

Are you experiencing any of the following:

• Severe difficulty breathing (e.g. struggling to breathe or speaking in single words)
• Severe chest pain
• Having a very hard time waking up
• Feeling confused
• Losing consciousness

NoYes

 

Click yes and...

Please call 9-1-1 or go directly to your nearest emergency department.

These symptoms require immediate attention. You should call 9-1-1 immediately, or go directly to your nearest emergency department.

BTW what overwhelmed hospitals are you talking about in BC? Or are you hallucinating again?

[OftenWrong]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

if you dig a little deeper into your link where it highlights the symptoms that indicate when it's appropriate to call 911 and go to the hospital.

Exactly, which substantiates my point. You need to be fairly close to the point of death before going. the good old Canadian hospital system, eh? You thought they would do a better job than before? Nonsense. This virus is just another virus.

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

are you hallucinating again?

Not at all, not at all. With people like you the caveat to these lists is clearly "feeling confused".

By the way, do remember to click "Next" if you are losing consciousness. Especially if you have completely lost it, then dial 911 immediately. Also call 911 and talk to an operator if you are struggling to breathe such that you can only speak in single words. We know it could take a while to explain, but we will wait.

 

Edited April 11, 2020 by OftenWrong

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Exactly, which substantiates my point. You need to be fairly close to the point of death before going. the good old Canadian hospital system, eh?

Actually our hospital system is provincial and I think politicians in BC have generally recognized their limitations and have given their health authorities and experts a lot of latitude when it comes to dealing with the crisis. I think these health authorities and experts recognize there were a lot of deficiencies that existed going into this pandemic and are a little more drastically desperate to keep numbers of emergency room visits down.  

Besides which you never know when a pandemic of thousands of obese people might suddenly swamp our emergency rooms.

 

 

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You thought they would do a better job than before? Nonsense.

Actually I would never have imagined they'd do as good a job as they're doing.

[OftenWrong]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Actually I would never have imagined they'd do as good a job as they're doing.

The health workers on the ground always do their best with what they have, any time of the year. They are short-changed by your precious province, which comes from the Fed. But to be clear: None of the hospitals in Canada are facing high volume of people who are seriously ill. If that happened, we would be in the same boat as Italy since the health care system is nearly equally overloaded. The hospitals in our region had to clear out and rearrange their floor plan to make a new wing to hold the anticipated volume of infected cases. As you know elective procedures have been put on hold, including organ transplants where the individual can wait. Today that wing is empty. Not quite- there is one person in it, and I hear she is fine. I hear there are about 53 infection cases here in eastern ON. Wait, let me clarify that little number too. 53 cases have been recorded since this all began. Well over half of them are recovered, the remainder are in self-quarantine.

For that we have stopped the country? It's ludicrous. Ludicrous I say. A more selective isolation schema is becoming clearly evident. Who will be the first leader to pronounce the situation is "good enough", let's get back to work? Mr. Trudeau says we just have to stay shut down for a year. He didn't mention to Canadians, expect suicide to be on the rise.

Edited April 11, 2020 by OftenWrong

[Argus]

I'm beginning to get some insight into holocaust denial and 911 truthers in this thread. Where people can simply ignore what's right in front of their faces because they don't want to accept it I suppose it makes sense that over the passage of years it's even easy to ignore and wave away evidence of a historical nature.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Argus said:

I'm beginning to get some insight into holocaust denial and 911 truthers in this thread. Where people can simply ignore what's right in front of their faces because they don't want to accept it I suppose it makes sense that over the passage of years it's even easy to ignore and wave away evidence of a historical nature.

I posted it before, but it never gets old...

 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

The health workers on the ground always do their best with what they have, any time of the year. They are short-changed by your precious province, which comes from the Fed.

Why do you think I attribute our good fortune on the coast to the fact we're 3000 miles from Ottawa and how the regard and attention I pay to local health authorities increases the closer I get to home?

I entirely agree that the short-changing of local interests comes from above not below.  Why do you think I've been saying for years that fisheries management should be located on the coast?  Oh right, its because I'm a CBC/CNN brainwashed commie that just wants free stuff.

I always forget that part.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

I'm beginning to get some insight into holocaust denial and 911 truthers in this thread. Where people can simply ignore what's right in front of their faces because they don't want to accept it I suppose it makes sense that over the passage of years it's even easy to ignore and wave away evidence of a historical nature.

Any insights into how climate change denial causes people to do the same thing towards evidence of a scientific nature?

I've asked this a few times around the forum and still haven't gotten an answer.  How does the economic carnage we're seeing now stack up against what people imagine will happen if we take action against climate change?   Would it worse about the same or maybe on par with a bad quarterly report now and then?

Edited April 11, 2020 by eyeball

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Any insights into how climate change denial causes people to do the same thing towards evidence of a scientific nature?

I've asked this a few times around the forum and still haven't gotten an answer.  How does the economic carnage we're seeing now stack up against what people imagine will happen if we take action against climate change?     

I suppose it's because one is mandated and the other would have to be voluntary?  I have stated elsewhere on here that this would give us a glimpse, (just a glimpse, mind) of what it would take to make a dent in AGW.  I can't imagine that once the infection rate wanes and a vaccine is readily available,  airplanes will remain grounded and restaurants, bars and sports stadiums will remain closed.

Edited April 11, 2020 by bcsapper

[Rue]

52 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I can't imagine that once the infection rate wanes and a vaccine is readily available,  airplanes will remain grounded and restaurants, bars and sports stadiums will remain closed.

Hopefully within the next 4 to 8 weeks on the waning...and a lot has to do with coming up with quick accurate testing..the faster you can identify it.. the faster it can be contained if it remains contagious.

Referring to disagreements as how to  address containing the virus is not denial of the virus so equating Often Wrong as a holocaust denier or 9 11 denier is horse shit...he has never questioned the existence or severity of the virus just how some of you are reacting to it.. typified  for example in holocaust denial cracks that evidence uncontrolled emotions impacting negatively on how we discuss the issue. 

I know its testy and anxious times but this is no holocaust and to equate it as such directly or indirectly  to insult someone does not establish a point..it detracts from it. Thanks.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

I'm beginning to get some insight into holocaust denial and 911 truthers in this thread. Where people can simply ignore what's right in front of their faces because they don't want to accept it I suppose it makes sense that over the passage of years it's even easy to ignore and wave away evidence of a historical nature.

Just a quick look at our media would do that for you. 

It was ordained back in 2015 that anything Trudeau did wrong would go mostly unnoticed and unreported, and what just couldn't be ignored would be downplayed while other stories were hyped up to take away the focus.

It was ordained before Trump was inaugurated that every story and every crisis would be used as a tool to attack Trump. 

We're 5 years into Trudeau's debacle, and despite his boatload of serious ethics breeches and scandals, there has been 1/3 the negative press on Trudeau as there was on Harper just for $90K Duffygate. 

Not a single day has passed where CNN and MSNBC haven't spent hours attacking Trump for things which turned out to be false. 

 

1) LavScam is a full-on scam in which our PM is certainly guilty and he is obstructing justice in that case with impunity. The media coverage was always misleading - I never once saw CBC or CTV mention that SNC was caught bribing a Liberal $2.3M for help winning a bid on a Bridge contract in Mtl.  Coverage was partially hot for 2 weeks, warm for a week, intermittent for a few weeks, gone from the news. The public in Canada doesn't give a rip. Some of them don't want to believe it, some of them don't think the crime is more important than their dear leader, some of them were fooled by the media coverage which downplayed the incident, and none of those people care about obstruction of justice. 

2) Russian collusion was proven to be a mix of Hillary's lies, FBI malfeasance, and media slander, yet tens of millions of people are still hoodwinked to this day. Do you think that those people couldn't be convinced that mass-murdering Jews is really important? Or that it never happened? 

 

Our media in NA is 100% as fake as any state-run media in Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, China and maybe just a bit less fake than NoKo. They lie by omission, they lend 100% support to stories that they know are false, they use sensational photos to push narratives they like and if they can't ignore a story that damages their narrative then they intentionally Nerf them down so that people don't feel any emotion about them. They even act like the UN is 100% legit and it's more screwed-up than Scientology. 

The end result is that we all know that we're being lied to, so we may as well all just believe whatever the f we want. Hell, religion even teaches us that it's our undeniable right.

I just decided that I'm going to go along 100% with the next new conspiracy theory that comes out, just for shits and giggles. I don't like any of the old ones. This is 2020. My white privilege and short attention span demand something shiny and new.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Rue said:

Hopefully within the next 4 to 8 weeks on the waning...and a lot has to do with coming up with quick accurate testing..the faster you can identify it.. the faster it can be contained if it remains contagious.

Referring to disagreements as how to  address containing the virus is not denial of the virus so equating Often Wrong as a holocaust denier or 9 11 denier is horse shit...he has never questioned the existence or severity of the virus just how some of you are reacting to it.. typified  for example in holocaust denial cracks that evidence uncontrolled emotions impacting negatively on how we discuss the issue. 

I know its testy and anxious times but this is no holocaust and to equate it as such directly or indirectly  to insult someone does not establish a point..it detracts from it. Thanks.

Yeah, I wouldn't know about that.  It's a good way of getting round the argument though.  Pretending that people are equating it to holocaust denial when one poster claims the current idiocy gives him some insight into the mentality of such.

[Rue]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

I'm beginning to get some insight into holocaust denial and 911 truthers in this thread. Where people can simply ignore what's right in front of their faces because they don't want to accept it I suppose it makes sense that over the passage of years it's even easy to ignore and wave away evidence of a historical nature.

You would not know about what BC? Read the first sentence above BC. What Argus never wrote it? Your last comment to me denying the first sentence above is both ironic and irrational as that sentence.   

You and Argus now want to equate people who disagree with how to discuss the virus as holocaust deniers? You want to pretend you did not read the sentence? Is that what you now want to defend? You want to deny while accusing others of denying?   

Enough. 

Edited April 11, 2020 by Rue

[Argus]

40 minutes ago, Rue said:

Referring to disagreements as how to  address containing the virus is not denial of the virus so equating Often Wrong as a holocaust denier or 9 11 denier is horse shit...he has never questioned the existence or severity of the virus

Yes, in fact, he has. Repeatedly.

 

[Argus]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Any insights into how climate change denial causes people to do the same thing towards evidence of a scientific nature?

There is a difference between denying historical fact (with boatloads of incontrovertible evidence) and questioning 'models' which suggest likely events a century into the future. There's an even larger difference between denying what every medical figure other than the occasional crackpot says is going on now and what politicians have come up with as a response to the scientific predictions of global warming. For example, I'm okay with carbon taxes - just as soon as every other country in the world has the same carbon tax. Otherwise, all we're doing is closing down factories here and having them open in China or Mexico. That's not denying global warming, it's denying the effect of the proposed solution.

[Rue]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

Yes, in fact, he has. Repeatedly.

 

He has not denied the virus exists and is severe. The fact you disagree with him as to how to manage the virus does not equate it to holocaust denial. The fact I even have to tell you that or you responded as you did above  or before or BC denied it speaks for itself.  We can all do better.

[Argus]

Just now, Rue said:

He has not denied the virus exists and is severe.

Yes, he has. Repeatedly. He's done everything he can to minimize its importance, to brush it off as a few deaths, a drop in the bucket compared to the flu, nothing to be worried about, and let's get those restaurants and bars and strip clubs open again already!

 

[Rue]

6 minutes ago, Argus said:

There is a difference between denying historical fact (with boatloads of incontrovertible evidence) and questioning 'models' which suggest likely events a century into the future. There's an even larger difference between denying what every medical figure other than the occasional crackpot says is going on now and what politicians have come up with as a response to the scientific predictions of global warming. For example, I'm okay with carbon taxes - just as soon as every other country in the world has the same carbon tax. Otherwise, all we're doing is closing down factories here and having them open in China or Mexico. That's not denying global warming, it's denying the effect of the proposed solution.

That is a lot of words to deny what you earlier said and you see no irony in your using avoidance and therefore denial of your own words to attack someone else as a denier. Thanks. He disagrees with you define managing the virus or how you describe it, not that it is serious or real.

 

Edited April 11, 2020 by Rue

[Rue]

6 minutes ago, Argus said:

Yes, he has. Repeatedly. He's done everything he can to minimize its importance, to brush it off as a few deaths, a drop in the bucket compared to the flu, nothing to be worried about, and let's get those restaurants and bars and strip clubs open again already!

 

And you?  Do you think now misrepresenting what he  said giving it your spin above and calling him a holocaust denier establishes your points or does it simply deny what you said through avoidance? 

Edited April 11, 2020 by Rue

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, Rue said:

You would not know about what BC? Read the first sentence above BC. What Argus never wrote it? Your last comment to me denying the first sentence above is both ironic and irrational as that sentence.   

You and Argus now want to equate people who disagree with how to discuss the virus as holocaust deniers? You want to pretend you did not read the sentence? Is that what you now want to defend? You want to deny while accusing others of denying?   

Enough. 

No, we don't.  But like I said, it's a good way you have of deflecting an argument.  You read exactly what I said, chose to ignore it, then chose to decide on what nonsense interpretation you would actually reply to. 

[taxme]

On 4/10/2020 at 11:25 AM, Marocc said:

"Seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year, according to a new estimate that's higher than the previous one of 250,000 to 500,000 deaths a year." https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=208914

Why not? It's already almost 100,000. That times 7 doesn't seem like a feat to the virus in my eyes.

 

This so called virus will not come close to 700,000. This so called fake Dr. Fauci and others predicted that up to 2 million would die from this plandemic. But every so often they keep knocking the numbers down. Now they are at approx. 60,000 that will die from this virus hoax and may drop even more. Their bull shit is falling apart.  All that is needed to be done to finish all the liars off like Fauci his for the lemmings out there to stop listening to this guy, who works for big pharma vaccine pusher for the world Bill Gates, and also stop listening to the lying media and the lying dyktator politicians where then we can all finally get back to business as usual and get our freedom of assembly back. 

I really have had enough of this bull shit, and it would appear that there are many more people like me than ever out there who are getting fed up with locking themselves down. The one thing that will kill any virus is the sun. Is this why they want people to stay indoors and away from the sun? Teenagers kicking a soccer ball around in a field and keeping their distance are being told to stop playing. WTH is with that?  In Hawaii no one is allowed to just lie around on the beach anymore. They must keep walking. 

Dr. Shiva has a great website where he has said and explained that there are many viruses coming and going in our bodies every day and many just go away and do no harm because of those who have an immune system that is in good shap and those people need not fear any virus. Dr, Shiva pretty much can explain as to what the hell is going on today with this plandemic.  It would appear as though we are in a war of some kind going on between the globalists and big pharma and Trump's great economy. 

Hey, we never know, eh? 

[OftenWrong]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

I'm beginning to get some insight into holocaust denial and 911 truthers in this thread. Where people can simply ignore what's right in front of their faces because they don't want to accept it I suppose it makes sense that over the passage of years it's even easy to ignore and wave away evidence of a historical nature.

Not sure if you mean me. My spouse works in the hospital, hand on the patient. I got an inside. And I worked there too for 12 years. Maybe the ICU is full at your hospital, I do not know. Suggest go have a look, to get more insight.

I know you can't get in, j/k

More to the point, and here's what I'm saying here. They got one case. Shes up on another floor, whole wing to herself.

Not saying there is no problem, I am asking is there a better way to handle the situation, given the facts on the ground now? Because we're shedding like a billion dollars an hour here. Might be worth asking these questions, if thagt's alright. Unless I get vilified by the frightened masses, as I dare to challenge the wisdom of our pooh bahs at the helm? Ok. Guess I'm Hitler to you people then.

Edited April 11, 2020 by OftenWrong

[taxme]

8 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

The health workers on the ground always do their best with what they have, any time of the year. They are short-changed by your precious province, which comes from the Fed. But to be clear: None of the hospitals in Canada are facing high volume of people who are seriously ill. If that happened, we would be in the same boat as Italy since the health care system is nearly equally overloaded. The hospitals in our region had to clear out and rearrange their floor plan to make a new wing to hold the anticipated volume of infected cases. As you know elective procedures have been put on hold, including organ transplants where the individual can wait. Today that wing is empty. Not quite- there is one person in it, and I hear she is fine. I hear there are about 53 infection cases here in eastern ON. Wait, let me clarify that little number too. 53 cases have been recorded since this all began. Well over half of them are recovered, the remainder are in self-quarantine.

For that we have stopped the country? It's ludicrous. Ludicrous I say. A more selective isolation schema is becoming clearly evident. Who will be the first leader to pronounce the situation is "good enough", let's get back to work? Mr. Trudeau says we just have to stay shut down for a year. He didn't mention to Canadians, expect suicide to be on the rise.

So true as to what you are saying. The hospitals are pretty much empty of all of these thousands of people that were being expected to fill the hospital beds. Many citizen journalists have found out the same thing when they have visited many hospitals in the states. All was quiet on the western front. No war zone pandemic going on. Just what the hell is going on here anyway?

But instead of many members here doing their own homework, they prefer to still listen to the lies that their politicians and their media are feeding them every dam day. That Asian federal health care officer is always on TV spreading her bs every hour of every day. She looks more like a communist agent from China to me. 

The big con job will have to end soon because I cannot see 37 million people continue to carry on with this virus nonsense. Hundreds of thousands of Canadians are out of work all because of some virus? We are being de-socialized by our dear leaders and the media who are trying to make this out to look like some kind of plague that has hit us all. The numbers don't show that this is all for real. But how do you get those trained seals out there to wake up and start thinking for themselves and do their one homework rather than leave it up to the liars who are all lying to them.  Canadians have never been really known for questioning anything their dear leaders say or do. They just blindly follow along like the sheeple and trained seals that they have become. If this keeps up there will be more suicides happening, and there will be no doubt more drunks created in our society.  Depression will have to set in if this bullshit  keeps on going on. Stop all of this madness now. now. Our health and sanity depends on it. Works for me! 

[OftenWrong]

8 minutes ago, taxme said:

Stop all of this madness now. now. Our health and sanity depends on it

You are absolutely right, there needs to be another way found that allows people to work again. Most people would rather go to work and wear PPE such as gloves, mask and even the goddamn goggles if the COVID Nazis insist (they would), rather than stay home and have their life f*cked anyway. Especially now that our PM is saying this could be a year.

[taxme]

9 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Not sure if you mean me. My spouse works in the hospital, hand on the patient. I got an inside. And I worked there too for 12 years. Maybe the ICU is full at your hospital, I do not know. Suggest go have a look, to get more insight.

I know you can't get in, j/k

More to the point, and here's what I'm saying here. They got one case. Shes up on another floor, whole wing to herself.

Not saying there is no problem, I am asking is there a better way to handle the situation, given the facts on the ground now? Because we're shedding like a billion dollars an hour here. Might be worth asking these questions, if thagt's alright. Unless I get vilified by the frightened masses, as I dare to challenge the wisdom of our pooh bahs at the helm? Ok. Guess I'm Hitler to you people then.

The best way to handle this problem is to get rid of this problem. Let's all just get back to normal and get back to the good old days where we were free to come and go anywhere in the world with no problems. Some provinces like Nova Scotia are locking Canadians out from entering that province. How stupid is that? The Mayor and council in White Rock, BC has stopped all people from walking the boardwalk and walking out on the pier ebacuse they did not like what they were seeing. Too many people to close together. It cannot be helped as WR is a busy place for people all the time. Contact cannot be avoided. Even that lying media in BC was down there and approached three people walking together and made a big stink about it on their news hour. Sick ph-ks.  

It is probably costing the taxpaying citizen's of WR tens of thousands of their tax dollars to have temporary fencing put up to stop people from having access to the beach area. And no doubt thousands more to remove them when this phony pandemic is all over. The only people that are losing here are the taxpayer's in this country. But ask the lying media or the lying politicians if they really give a chit? They do not. They just want to now use some of their authority given them to now use bully tactics to push people around. They have become nothing more than a bunch of commie dyktators. Politicians are fast becoming we the people's enemy. Just saying.