Panic, Ignorance, Shut Up Already

[Guest ProudConservative]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

You realize you're on the wrong side of history... with your Malthusian BS. You're the one down with eugenics, like the Nazi's and you're calling me far-right, that's rich.

I'm open to it, but I think it would be abused. Vasectomies are form of Eugenics. Family planning is a form of Eugenics.

Edited March 20, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, ProudConservative said:

I'm open to it, but I think it would be abused.

If you think it would be abused, you shouldn't be open to it. Derp.

Your "cure" is worse than the disease. Causing worse problems than you solve for the fail.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Guest ProudConservative]

4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Your "cure" is worse than the disease.

You don't want that. Overpopulation is the disease, but the cure must be transparent and humane. 

Cures can be dangerous, if the framework is incomplete... That's why we need more transparency and open debate.... What isn't acceptable, is denying the problem. A slow reduction in the worlds population is the most humane, but it shouldn't come from toxic vaccines that lower fertility.

Edited March 20, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

You don't want that. Overpopulation is the disease, but the cure must be transparent and humane.

Eugenics is a far worse disease, and it's neither transparent or humane. Overpopulation as a problem is nothing compared to the negatives that come with eugenics.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Guest ProudConservative]

The whole world is about to deal with the consequences of overpopulation, do to one virus. China and India are the biggest culprits... but so is San Francisco, Toronto, and so on. During a pandemic, the most overpopulated cities, suffer the most. The quality of life goes down. Humans learn to respect rural areas again. If Coronavirus teaches us one thing, is that we shouldn't continue to add people to massive overcrowd cities. The cities are the Great Flood. Noah's Arc is out in the country.

Edited March 20, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Yzermandius19]

9 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

The who world is about to deal with the consequences of overpopulation, do to one virus.

Yeah, and eugenics is worse, and won't stop any viruses. You didn't solve the problem of pandemics, the world still isn't overpopulated, and you added the negatives of eugenics on top of it. 

Great job, fool. You solved nothing and created more problems for the world, and as a result will likely suggest even dumber solutions that will make even more problems and you'll keep trying to make things better by making things worse out of ignorance.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Guest ProudConservative]

11 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Yeah, and eugenics is worse, and won't stop any viruses. You didn't solve the problem of pandemics, the world still isn't overpopulated, and you added the negatives of eugenics on top of it. 

Great job, fool. You solved nothing and created more problems for the world, which you will no doubt to overreact to like a SIFCLF, and as a result suggest even dumber solutions that will make even more problems and fail to address the problem you are trying to address.

You've been brainwashed by conspiracy theorist, and far-right talk show hosts. I just look at the facts... and come out with ideas... some of them good, some of them bad, and some of them terrible

Humans should return to romantic countryside living, and overpopulating the mega cities takes that away.

Edited March 20, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

You've been brainwashed by conspiracy theorist, and far-right talk show hosts. I just look at the facts... and come out with ideas... some of them good, some of them bad. some of them terrible

Look in the mirror dude, you're a far bigger conspiracy theorist than I am. You don't look at facts, you just come out with ideas based on feelings that have nothing to do with facts, some of them good, some of them bad, most of them terrible. You think very emotionally, and are unable to grasp basic logic on many occasions.

Even the good ideas you come up with are rooted in your emotional reactions to issues, and little to do with any facts whatsoever. Obvious SIFCLF is obvious, the sky is falling is all you got.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Guest ProudConservative]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you come out with ideas, some of them good, some of them bad, most of them terrible.

That's just how creativity works.

[Yzermandius19]

8 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

That's just how creativity works.

That's just how stupidity works. Creativity is what you tell yourself so you feel smarter than you really are. Imagination is great and all, but if that's all you got, and every time reality gets in the way of your imagination you simply ignore reality, you are going to hurt people with your proposed policies in that scenario.

Treating the world as you wish it was, in direct contravention with the way it actually is, doesn't help anyone, it just makes you feel better about yourself for no good reason. Imagination plus an actual grip on reality > Imagination with no grip on reality, so try aiming for the former and not the later.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Guest ProudConservative]

21 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

That's just how stupidity works. Creativity is what you tell yourself so you feel smarter than you really are. Imagination is great and all, but if that's all you got, and every time reality gets in the way of your imagination you simply ignore reality, you are going to hurt people with your proposed policies in that scenario.

Treating the world as you wish it was, in direct contravention with the way it actually is, doesn't help anyone, it just makes you feel better about yourself for no good reason.

You're a non-interventionist... I'll give you an example of a non-interventionist. Justin Trudeau.... He saw the virus coming, and kept the borders wide open.

Well I don't have the power to make policy. I share my ideas, but my ideas call for intervention.

The writing on for overpopulation is on the wall, just like this virus.

In the end, it comes down to simple math. Exponential growth leads to disaster.

So how do we deal with it. Nut buy burying our heads in that Sand.

I'm not a creepy environmentalist that's happy about a pandemic wiping people out.

But I am a Malthusian.

Edited March 20, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Yzermandius19]

Anyway, Coronavirus panic and Overpopulation panic comes from the same SIFCLF impulse. When someone thinks the sky is falling, usually their ability to think rationally is heavily diminished, and their proposed solution(s) are completely ridiculous and terribly detrimental. You are a great example of this phenomenon, PC.

Panicking does not lead to sound thinking or rational responses, hence why SIFCLF's rarely respond in such a fashion.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Iceni warrior]

3 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

You seem happy that millions of people are about to die. What kind of communist university did ya come from? Pandemics are nothing to celebrate.

Me happy? No, I'm a bleeding heart liberal. I take no joy in the death of others. It's not me that wants to experiment on prisoners of the State.

I'm just a glass half full kinda guy who can find a silver lining in the worst situation.

If the worlds airlines have to stay grounded for 3 months and the economy has to shrink that's good enough for me.

It's not all about population it's lifestyles that need to change.

 

[Iceni warrior]

4 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

The west has the best environmental standards on the planet. Don't let your communist professor tell you otherwise.

Look here sonny, I left college in 1984 and there were no politics classes on the Hotel management course I took.

I think for myself and don't need any professor, communist or not, to tell me how to do it.

Your statement is nonsense, it isn't Africans jetting off half way around the planet to sit by the pool or driving their gas guzzling SUVs to the mall to buy another  phone because the new one has an ever so slightly better camera on it.

[Iceni warrior]

4 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Don't let Iceni Warrior tell you otherwise either, he's a moron who thinks Africa is better to their environment than the West is, sad.

Africa is better to THE environment than the west is.

 

[Iceni warrior]

4 hours ago, betsy said:

Lol.  Fighting back?

Gaia - which is the Greek mythological personification of earth - does not move "mysteriously".  

On the contrary, she is quite PREDICTABLE - if, you go by what that girlie Thunberg says!

Go ask environmentalists.................................who have been prophesying forever about the end of this earth!!

 

"Mysteriously," indeed.  Lol, environmentalists better get your story straight!

Oh, you predicted that the world's airlines would be sitting empty on the tarmac for months did you?

Tell me, while you are at it Nostradamus, what are this week's lottery numbers?

[Iceni warrior]

4 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

China continues to allow cows to roam in their landfills. Those third world countries, sure should be held responsible for spreading diseases.

I'm guessing that you don't know where the Spanish flu is thought to have originated?

[Shady]

8 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

I'm guessing that you don't know where the Spanish flu is thought to have originated?

Spanish flu?  That’s racist!

[Iceni warrior]

3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

You realize you're on the wrong side of history... with your Malthusian BS. You're the one down with eugenics, like the Nazi's and you're calling me far-right, that's rich.

You know the best thing about you right-wing extremists?

Leave you alone for 5 minutes and you start fighting amongst yourselves.

[Iceni warrior]

3 minutes ago, Shady said:

Spanish flu?  That’s racist!

Actually it was a deliberate bit of misinformation.

Maybe you know where it is thought to have originated?

[Zeitgeist]

In the midst of reports that school closures and public lockdowns could go on many months before a vaccine is developed, causing severe economic damage, some are wondering if we should return to work and treat the illness as it emerges, if those treatments have a good success rate.  I think extreme measures are right in the short-term for slowing the spread, but at a certain point, if we can make enough decent treatments available, accepting the risk and carrying on with social distancing may be the better alternative to waiting for a vaccine.  The ideal would be to eliminate any further spread, but maybe that’s not realistic.  
 

“Several therapies have been thrust into the spotlight in recent days for their promise: Gilead's remdesivir, Regeneron's kevzara and generic antimalarial drug chloroquine (and an alternative version called hydroxychloroquine).”

Edited March 20, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[Argus]

14 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Are you suggesting people with a headache and low fever need to go to the hospital? They don't, and they are being sent home to self-quarantine. That's the best place for them.

Are you suggesting the articles are listing people who merely visit hospital as being hospitalized?

[Argus]

14 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

104,982 deaths worldwide this season from flu. This is a year-after-year number by the way. So what's with all the panic?

Well, for one thing, only 1% of people with flue need medical treatment. So far 13% of those who have been diagnosed with the cv19 virus are in hospital.

For another thing this is just getting started. You realize that, right? Flu deaths are kept low by so many people, especially elderly and with health issues getting vaccinated each year. There's no vaccination for this, and Cv19 is more contagious than the regular flu, as well. There are also anti-viral treatments which help people with severe cases of the regular flu. These don't work on cv19. Thus without the extreme measures we're seeing around the world the death toll for cv19 would easily surpass that of the flu.

[Argus]

10 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

People were flying in from China before Trudeau even knew about the virus, the damage was already done. This is on China, not Trudeau.

So it didn't matter if more came in? That makes no sense. If he admits that closing the borders is the right thing to do now then he can hardly say it wouldn't have done better a month and a half ago. We also should have started stocking up on medical gear needed to treat this back in January. Instead he waits two months to try and order more? Yeah, genius there.

[Argus]

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Edited March 20, 2020 by Argus