French Patriot Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Why do men like to kill men? At times of war, many men smile in the anticipation of killing another man. Sons love to anticipate killing as well. Killing is the epitome of personal drama and that is why we love it. Fathers love to see it in their children, and the children are eager to emulate their parents. We just love war, and it we do not collectively stop loving it, it looks like we will go extinct. We are just to god damned powerful for this little spaceship earth. Nice that modern humans, as a species we are so nice that we mostly do economic war. Not so nice when we wage military war. Unfortunately, we now seem to be waring against our own existence. Better to trade, even with nature; so why do we seem eager to destroy ourselves by killing the earth? The notion of honorable killing served us well to date. That notion, because of population pressures and M.A.D., now means more of an honorable suicide or genocide by all the military forces of the world, should they be stupid enough to get to a nuclear WWIII. We men are no longer doing the best that we can for our children or our own best end. We have not curbed our love of killing enough and have put our full global habitat at risk of extinction. Stupid is as stupid does. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 8 hours ago, French Patriot said: Why do men like to kill men? At times of war, many men smile in the anticipation of killing another man. Sons love to anticipate killing as well. Killing is the epitome of personal drama and that is why we love it. Fathers love to see it in their children, and the children are eager to emulate their parents. We just love war, and it we do not collectively stop loving it, it looks like we will go extinct. We are just to god damned powerful for this little spaceship earth. Men like to kill other men because of natural selection. If you have 20 men, where 10 men like killing other men and 10 men who don't like killing other men....the 10 men that like killing other men will kill the 10 men who don't like killing, That means the killer men will survive to procreate and pass along their genes to their male children that will also like to kill other men, while the 10 men that don't like to kill are dead and thus won't procreate and pass on their non-killer genes. Women don't have to like killing because their fathers, brothers, sons, and husbands do it for them in order to protect them from outside threats (including other men). If women didn't have fathers and/or husbands they'd have to start liking killing too and have the genes (strength & speed etc) to be good at it or their genes wouldn't survive and be passed on. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted February 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Men like to kill other men because of natural selection. If you have 20 men, where 10 men like killing other men and 10 men who don't like killing other men....the 10 men that like killing other men will kill the 10 men who don't like killing, That means the killer men will survive to procreate and pass along their genes to their male children that will also like to kill other men, while the 10 men that don't like to kill are dead and thus won't procreate and pass on their non-killer genes. Women don't have to like killing because their fathers, brothers, sons, and husbands do it for them in order to protect them from outside threats (including other men). If women didn't have fathers and/or husbands they'd have to start liking killing too and have the genes (strength & speed etc) to be good at it or their genes wouldn't survive and be passed on. Not too shabby, but how do you explain PTSD and the fact that no other animal will fight to the death when it does not have to as that enhances his survivability? It seems that a lot of your killers are not created to be killers at all. That is why you have never seen the type of example you posit. Further, being the most insecure animal on the planet, do you not think that when the non-killing men see the killers killing, when they have no need to, do you not think they would gang up on the killers? That would apply to even the lower animals if their survival instincts are worthy. It may also be why we humans default to cooperation and not the killing which is competition. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 Killing is part of nature, it within all of us, men and women, we have been killing each other for objects, or resources since we climbed down for the trees. In todays world or say within the last 2 to 300 years we have had to train people to kill, not just training to kill but training the mind to except it as normal.... because the act is not socially accepted, we have laws that prevent it...we are taught it is bad...Our brains are not conditioned to see bodies ripped open or torn apart. The militaries around the world spend bils trying to find better ways to condition their soldiers minds, to little avail, hence the massive amount PTSD cases. And yet the Soviets have come the closest through constant exposure to combat, training with live munitions such as real chemical agents, or next to real combat exercises... but pay for that in real life deaths of many soldiers.... Todays Modern warfare there are millions of ways to die, or to kill without getting close to ones enemies...the closer you get the greater the chance of not being able to mentally comprehend what is being done, it overwhelms your brain...it's your brains way of dealing with trauma from seeing the carnage or war. Back in the day there was no trauma it was a normal practice one becomes adjusted, the behavior becomes normal, ........and yet it was second nature to say Vikings, Romans, etc....were killing was more common and the distance the killing was done was close range, so it is bloody....as that distance increases it becomes easier to kill , ask any pilot if he sees the effects of his actions... One can not exist in both worlds, at the same time , one that does not except killing or were it is normal....a person can not travel back and forth very easily....or without conditioning once again, I learned that the hard way , coming home for my HLTA (holidays) in Afghanistan, our unit was in the middle of a major op, so one day I'm on the battle field, the next I'm in Montreal airport, very very excited to see my family, , lets just say it was not how I had dreamed it would go, lots of emotions, by the time I started to relax and decompress it was time to go back spent the last couple of days trying to get back in combat mode, as my unit was still on that operation...all I could think of was getting back... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 7 hours ago, French Patriot said: Not too shabby, but how do you explain PTSD and the fact that no other animal will fight to the death when it does not have to as that enhances his survivability? Huh? Animals fight all the time. Have you ever been around dogs? They fight to protect loved ones, territory, and resources just like humans, as do so many other mammals, birds etc. 7 hours ago, French Patriot said: Further, being the most insecure animal on the planet, do you not think that when the non-killing men see the killers killing, when they have no need to, do you not think they would gang up on the killers? What would the non-killing men do when they gang up on the killers? Make them dessert? 7 hours ago, French Patriot said: It may also be why we humans default to cooperation and not the killing which is competition We default to cooperation? That's certainly not a given if you look at history. Even in current society humans are competing against each other for the best grades in order to get into the best schools, are competing with others for jobs, competing with others for the best mates, competing on bid prices for homes etc. Many of the biggest aspects in an adult's life is based on and won through competition. We're lucky we live in a society where these things aren't often decided by violence anymore, because we have police who use the threat of violence to maintain order. In the international realm, the threat of violence is constant too. The only thing preventing Russia from invading the US or Ukraine is the threat of military force. Let's not kid ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Men do not like to kill men, as evidenced by Army Guy's very credible post. A majority of normal human beings suffer psychological trauma after killing someone, presumably because they have a conscience. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) Homo Sapiens have a primal drive to gratuitously kill unlike any other life form on the planet (except certain Chimpanzees). As well when we are in groups, neurological studies have shown being in a group has the same effect on our frontal lobe as drinking alcohol, it triggers chemicals that numb that part of the brain and make it easier to kill or become violent. This is a throwback to our past primal imperative to survive by hunting in packs which increased the likelihood of killing what was needed to eat to survive. So that group interaction developed into a way to better kill an object of the hunt. Now we still have a killer drive but most of us through evolution have rechanneled its expression and/or repress it However our psyche has two components. The one that nourishes life and strives to create (positive) (eros)(yin) (light) and the one that strives to kill (negative)(thanitos) (yang) (dark). These two are equal propensities or drives within our psyche and supposedly in a healthy mind they balance each other out. Some of us are born missing an X chromosome and so would have no feelings so can kill in unlimited manner and feel nothing. We also know from anthropological and psychological studies that as a general ruke when you can see another man's eyes, it becomes much harder to kill him then when you do not have to see his face or eyes unless of course you are a person missing that x chromosome (sociopath) . Also those same studies showed that the more different someone looks from you, the easier it will be to kill them. Both these phenomena have been well documented. In fact so much so the American Armed Forces engaged in studies giving unsuspecting soldiers LSD, others LSD after telling them, and other sugar pills, to see if the LSD could make them braver or more capable of killing. The studies were a failure in that all they got was conflicted patterns of behaviour. Police or social workers or emergency doctors/nurses can tell you from their experiences, certain drugs like stp, crystal, cocaine, amphetamines, metaamphetamines, etc., can hype people into hyper drive where they have extra-ordinary energy that can turn into unfocused rage that kills. We also know people in manic phases of bi-polar disorder or in about 5% of certain kinds of schizophrenia (usually paranoid schizophrenia) can kill but these are cases where capacity to know right from wrong is diminished or completely prevented. Interestingly with sociopaths, they kill without remorse or feeling and know exactly what they do. So some people kill because of drugs or missing a chromosome or mental illness but really eople kill the same reasons others do not. Its a part of our inherited primal tendencies and whether we become civilized and repress the tendency to kill or not depends on our dna, inherited genetic characteristics, how the environment may influence us and ultimately our own individual choices we make. All the above goes out the toilet when it comes to war and terrorism. In a state of war or when dealing with terrorism, in the heat of the moment adrenaline causes the body to do unpredictable things to survive and ordinary people can become super-extraordinary (super string and without fear) in concentrated periods of time, or become catatonic (go into a trance) or become paralyzed (entire body, certain limbs, eyes). We also know people with Tourette's Syndrome (specific tics and twitches or repeat mannerisms) or Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder or stutterers, might find in the heat of conflict there symptoms not there as the intensity of the situation triggers adrenaline and other chemicals that deaden or shut down those symptoms. The same does not happen with bi-polar or schizophrenia. I have met and spoke with sociopaths. You would not know they are. You would have not a clue. What I do know as well working as a volunteer in a conflict zone with terrorists and the mothers of terrorists and brothers and sisters of terrorists is that these terrorists are not victims-they are quite aware of the choices they made and how it impacts on their families and others. They do not care. The part of their soul that cared is no longer there. In that sense the closest analogy is a vampire. They are alive but without a soul. They make that choice while the majority in their communities DO NOT and REFUSE TO and in fact shun them. They are not the glorious heroes they are depicted of. Many were already alienated from their communities. The profile they usually have in common is they feel powerless, unimportant, not in control of their destiny, and want to be respected and admired and thought of as the top of their communities. They do NOT like themselves. They hate who they are. They have as much hatred and contempt for their own people as they do their "enemy". Their "enemy" is a reminder to them of the parts of themselves they hate. The "enemy" is the thing they want to be but feel they can not be so they try extinguish this "enemy" which is the part of themselves they feel they can never be, They kill to block out any reminder of what they can not be. They are not in fact victims. They engage in victimization. Their victims are their own people as well as the innocent civilians they kill who they call the "enemy". Soldiers are not victimized by them. Soldiers are there to negate their power. Victims are people they have power over. They have no power over soldiers. Soldiers do not fear them. Soldiers are more likely to fear an "enemy" soldier than a terrorist. Terrorists are actually not brave. You get them one on one and many of them cry, plea, whine, urinate their pants, shake with fear, regress to an infantile state. They often need drugs or alcohol or getting into a religious frenzied state from chanting to be able to fight. Many panic and run. The ones that "die", the supposed martyrs are a minority of these terrorists and are dead eyed. You look at them there is nothing in the eyes. Something in them was snapped by their own fellow terrorists who trained them. Such terrorists are made to believe their life has no value and the only value they can have is after they are dead. They are not victims. I have seen people from the same environment and some walk away from this, others embrace it. You have the vast majority of people from conflict zones reject it. If it was as simple as saying terrorists were victims, everyone in the world would be a terrorist because all of us face situations where we loath ourselves or our lack of control over what we think is our destiny. Edited February 23, 2020 by Rue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Men do not like to kill men, as evidenced by Army Guy's very credible post. A majority of normal human beings suffer psychological trauma after killing someone, presumably because they have a conscience. I want to clear something up, not all men are the same, the examples I gave come from most western societies, things change as you move across the continents, take the middle east for instance , there are some nations that have seen nothing but war for ever, here you'll see a whole different outlook on life and what it is worth, here you'll see killing is more common, entire generations have grown up with conflict, they have experienced more ways of death than we can imagine cutting a mans throat is no different than a goats. So people can be conditioned for killing...proof of that is NAZI Germany, but in the back of my mind that was only 80 years ago...not very long in terms of history...or read books on torture in England in the 1500's one would have to be one twisted individual to be able to perform all that, then sit down a drink a beer and eat a ham sandwich... I also want to mention hate as an emotion, it is a great motivator to over come the side effects of killing, Nations have used this for centuries, they developed Phys Ops campaigns like posters, broadcasts, print media, that make the enemy less human, they call them , dehumanizing names like Japs, krauts, many others, then set the propaganda machine of lies showing their crimes until you developed a deep dislike for them, Then once in combat you see what evil little bastards they are.... well lets say it's an easy jump from dislike to hate... and it does not take long... from then on killing bad guys is easier than shooting a mad dog... no compassion , no empathy, just pull the trigger. It consumes you totally....you become a different person altogether, unrecognizable to family and friends, and the only ones that understand are your comrades in arms that were there.........In Afghanistan it was not so much a propaganda campaign , but rather constantly watching it on the news, seeing it on patrols, or engagements with terrorists , the killing and maiming of women and children , what they did with captured soldiers.. it took hate longer to developed, but the end result was the same... And Then we ask our self's or better yet our government officials should ask themselves , how can we go from that level of readiness to kill ...to coming back home, cutting the grass, picking up the kids at school , normal Canadian day to day stuff...for me it took more than 6 months to be able to relax in my back yard, with out automatically doing my 10 and 20 meter checks for IED's or scanning a room for all exits, finding cover from gunfire etc... … The hate is still there, the ghosts are still there ,..I hope the hate will fad over time. Edited February 23, 2020 by Army Guy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marocc Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 21 hours ago, Rue said: If it was as simple as saying terrorists were victims, everyone in the world would be a terrorist because all of us face situations where we loath ourselves or our lack of control over what we think is our destiny. If it was as simple as saying all mentally ill people are victims of circumstance, everyone would be mentally ill because all of us face situations.... No, no. We face similar situations — not the same, but often similar on some level, but our minds react to them differently. You cannot well accuse an individual for reacting in a way that is most natural to them. Or else, you should start shipping PTSD people away from mental health care, because they have merely reacted in a stupid way. They don't even deserve treatment, with that logic — they have to just stop being stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted February 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/22/2020 at 5:49 PM, Army Guy said: Killing is part of nature, True, but not the killing of ones own kind, as your words on PTSD show. All animals challenge themselves in some way or other to show their fitness. We have tried to replace war with sports and individual duels, but that did not seem to satisfy our blood lust. We also war with trade, which I prefer, but the losers in trade then shift to violence. The solution is illusive. All I can think of id a one world government that fights for all of us, but the world is fighting that somewhat even as the U.N. and other universalist organizations are continuing to move us to a one world system. Immigration caused by climate change and lose of arable land may force us to help each other out more and that should accelerate the rapprochement to a single governing block. Spaceship Earth needs a Captain. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted February 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/23/2020 at 12:15 AM, Moonlight Graham said: Huh? Animals fight all the time. Sure many animals fight, but not to the death. You seldom see the winner of a fight chase the loser who is trying to run away. That would be stupid on his part as all conflict has a chance of killing the winner as well. backing off is the better survival strategy and that is why they let the loser run away. On 2/23/2020 at 12:15 AM, Moonlight Graham said: What would the non-killing men do when they gang up on the killers? Make them dessert? Your not working with me here. They, today, would jail him, but if no jail is available then they would of course execute him as a society and not as individuals. On 2/23/2020 at 12:15 AM, Moonlight Graham said: We default to cooperation? When we can, yes. You have to admit that that is the best survival strategy. If you compete, you might lose. On 2/23/2020 at 12:15 AM, Moonlight Graham said: That's certainly not a given if you look at history. History is not a self evolving entity. Look around. Do you see more people fighting or cooperating. We are so nice to each other that evolutionists are hard pressed to dither out why we are so nice. There are also tons of stats that show that our good side is winning over our bad side. War is just our collective reaction to what we perceive as a threat, be it real or imagined and sometimes created purposely. There is a lot of money to be made by starting a war. I agree that M A D is keeping other countries in check. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted February 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/23/2020 at 8:32 AM, OftenWrong said: Men do not like to kill men, as evidenced by Army Guy's very credible post. A majority of normal human beings suffer psychological trauma after killing someone, presumably because they have a conscience. Men do, it seems, till their conscience kicks in. How else would you explain our 5,000 years of almost constant warfare? If we did not like to war we would not do it so often. Right? Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted February 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/23/2020 at 10:41 AM, Rue said: Homo Sapiens have a primal drive to gratuitously kill unlike any other life form on the planet I agree and attribute the fact that we are the weakest and most insecure animal on the planet as the source of that drive. Thanks for your well thought out post. I could find no major point to argue against. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted February 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 17 hours ago, Army Guy said: take the middle east for instance , I have a number of links that show Muslim children being trained/conditioned to kill from a young age. This is in their normal schools. What a curriculum. 17 hours ago, Army Guy said: I hope the hate will fad over time. Make it fade to the background. But do not lose it. Do not forget why you developed that hate to begin with. Hate is born from our default position of love. When you create a love bias for someone or something, you automatically create a hate bias against anything that would jeopardize that which you love. Do not throw out the baby with the bath water. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Marocc said: If it was as simple as saying all mentally ill people are victims of circumstance, everyone would be mentally ill because all of us face situations.... No, no. We face similar situations — not the same, but often similar on some level, but our minds react to them differently. You cannot well accuse an individual for reacting in a way that is most natural to them. Or else, you should start shipping PTSD people away from mental health care, because they have merely reacted in a stupid way. They don't even deserve treatment, with that logic — they have to just stop being stupid. Your comment makes no sense. People with PTSD do not choose it as a set of values as terrorists due violence as a code to live by. Exhibiting a range of behavioral symptoms caused by their bodies not having adjusted outside the environment and sequences causing their trauma is not a choice people with PTSD make. to There is no deliberate choice to it like their is with being a terrorist. Ptsd is a range of subconscious reflexes triggered by noise, smell, taste, sight, memory. Terrorism is not like PTSD a subconscious state of maladjustment it is a conscious chain of thoughts and values one chooses to embrace.So your analogy makes no psychological sense and wrongfully equates mental illness with terrorism.The pathology of the two are distinct and most terrorists are social misfits but not mentally ill. Some are sociopathic or have border line personalities but as general rule they make choices to be violent with full undiminished capacity. Terrorists had a choice to be human and practice their religion as a code of peaceful behaviour. Thry chose to use their religion to justify their violent and lethal intolerance of others.They chose instead the path of inhumanity and to reject basic rules of civility. They made a choice. How about you make a choice Maroc. You justify Muslims engaging in terror but are the first to claim Iskam is a religion of peace. Do that dance with someone else. Please do not confuse me with the others. No amount of civilian clothing misleads me. You mistake me for someone who can not distinguish a terrorist from other Muslims. We have our ways. Now for my friend French Patriot I can assure you terrorists leave no souls around looking for the light when they get taken out. They just burn and burn with this never ending high pitched squeal and smell of sulphur They call it heartburn or dyspepsia if you are an atheist. There aint no virgins where tgesectoastec marshmallows go...just grinning skeletons with hooded robes devouring each martyr's genitilia slowly as they burn. It's a bbq right out of Salvador Dali's visions. Now back here in the the material world we put body parts in all kinds and sizes of bags. My soul mates the vultures and rats do not worry about bags nor for that matter practicing halal. I like vultures. They do the job better than I ever could and they never get heartburn. Trust that was not too cryptic. Sometimes these threads on death need a little crypticism. Edited February 24, 2020 by Rue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 4 hours ago, French Patriot said: True, but not the killing of ones own kind, as your words on PTSD show. All animals challenge themselves in some way or other to show their fitness. We have tried to replace war with sports and individual duels, but that did not seem to satisfy our blood lust. We also war with trade, which I prefer, but the losers in trade then shift to violence. The solution is illusive. All I can think of id a one world government that fights for all of us, but the world is fighting that somewhat even as the U.N. and other universalist organizations are continuing to move us to a one world system. Immigration caused by climate change and lose of arable land may force us to help each other out more and that should accelerate the rapprochement to a single governing block. Spaceship Earth needs a Captain. Regards DL Not every man faces PTSD, after taking a life, it depends on many things, like conditioning as I mentioned with nations or generations that have grown up in a conflict area, and live with war day to day, one can be conditioned over a period of time, take WWII soldiers after 5 years of conflict thats all they knew was death and destruction, they could kill when ever needed, without blinking an eye...* note that not every person can absorb the same amount of death and carnage, one might be a perfect killing machine, and then one day his brain say's enough and they can't do it , until they have a break, or treatment...seasoned soldiers can have several confrontations over their time on a battle field, some never recover, others recover and return to the battle field many times. Others can bury theses emotions deep and never let them surface, one only lets others see what they want them to see, many grand fathers have had colorful war records, but rarely spoke of them, unless with another comrade that was there... PTSD takes many forms...and it can be hidden. Animals also kill without regret, in order to feed, protect family, even territory, much like we do, capable of killing babies of it's own kind , females of the species, at any time. ...Men can do this as well, either by conditioning, or lack of emotions like empathy, regret, man has perfected killing, it is capable of hunting in packs, developing tactics, wpns, many different modes of killing, up close or from many miles away. not many animals can do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, French Patriot said: Men do, it seems, till their conscience kicks in. How else would you explain our 5,000 years of almost constant warfare? If we did not like to war we would not do it so often. Right? Regards DL Because we soon forget what WAR is really like, our education systems may brush upon facts and figures , but rarely do they show what war is really like, the smells, tastes, the noise, the feel, the horror when was the last time you opened a history book and seen what Juno beach looked like right after the beach was secured...with bodies and body parts strewn across the beach, the first 6 feet of surf was red with blood...men moaning in pain or screaming in agony crying for their mom's.. If you go back in history more than 2 to 3 hundred years then man has had to train or condition itself to kill, in most areas of the world, not all of them.... with exceptions as I have mentioned...go back further and war and killing is a normal practice, it happened everyday....and combat was up close and bloody....see a man die at the end of a sword or tortured in the town square happened all the time... We do it because , we are no different than animals, it is how we use to survive... Edited February 24, 2020 by Army Guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, French Patriot said: Make it fade to the background. But do not lose it. Do not forget why you developed that hate to begin with. Hate is born from our default position of love. When you create a love bias for someone or something, you automatically create a hate bias against anything that would jeopardize that which you love. Do not throw out the baby with the bath water. Regards DL If it was that easy , I would have done it long ago, I don't think you really understand the level hate can reach, this is not just I hate ice cream, this is I hate terrorists, with every sense I have , it drove me to the point I could pull a trigger and not feel anything but recoil, and do it all day...I have seen their crimes first hand, I've seen the pain they have cause the people of Afghanistan, and to my comrades ,and to myself, they have forced me to become who I was while on tour, they have stolen who I was before my first day in combat...they have taken everything and left nothing, I find it hard to forgive them for any of that... That is what hate does to a person, it eats at you from the inside and changes you...the sooner if fades the better. I've passed on the torch to a younger , soldier, my days on the battle field are done and well behind me...I don't need that hate any more. I pray to the big guy everyday to rid me of this burden. Edited February 24, 2020 by Army Guy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/22/2020 at 1:39 PM, French Patriot said: Not too shabby, but how do you explain PTSD and the fact that no other animal will fight to the death when it does not have to as that enhances his survivability? It seems that a lot of your killers are not created to be killers at all. That is why you have never seen the type of example you posit. Further, being the most insecure animal on the planet, do you not think that when the non-killing men see the killers killing, when they have no need to, do you not think they would gang up on the killers? That would apply to even the lower animals if their survival instincts are worthy. It may also be why we humans default to cooperation and not the killing which is competition. Regards DL We all should know by now, I repeat that we should all know by now, that it is not your ordinary man that wants to go off to war and kill another man. We are taught and conditioned from birth to want to go out and join the military do some killing by the globalist international bankster Zionist elite who promote wars and the killing of men because they have and do create the money to be able to do so, and of course who also control their puppet on a string politicians, and their control of the main stream media. They can start a war whenever and wherever they want to in order to make more money. After all, it's all about the money and power for these warmongering globalist elites. In the wild most of the animals will only kill another one of their kind if there is a land dispute or over a female of the same species. Yes, even in the human species men will kill another man over a woman. I guess that humans are not much better than wild animals, are we? And we call animals wild animals, when in fact we humans are the real wild animals. The only difference that animals do it is, again, for land or females and not for fun. Humans will kill other humans just for fun. Bloody wild animals! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/22/2020 at 9:15 PM, Moonlight Graham said: Huh? Animals fight all the time. Have you ever been around dogs? They fight to protect loved ones, territory, and resources just like humans, as do so many other mammals, birds etc. What would the non-killing men do when they gang up on the killers? Make them dessert? We default to cooperation? That's certainly not a given if you look at history. Even in current society humans are competing against each other for the best grades in order to get into the best schools, are competing with others for jobs, competing with others for the best mates, competing on bid prices for homes etc. Many of the biggest aspects in an adult's life is based on and won through competition. We're lucky we live in a society where these things aren't often decided by violence anymore, because we have police who use the threat of violence to maintain order. In the international realm, the threat of violence is constant too. The only thing preventing Russia from invading the US or Ukraine is the threat of military force. Let's not kid ourselves. "Make them dessert". Do what men need and should be doing? Kill those who kill others so the rest of us can hopefully live in peace and not get killed. We are told that the only time it is okay to kill someone is during war. I was always under the impression that murder was illegal. But I guess it is not really illegal to kill someone if it is in war. They will kill when the globalist Zionist elite and our puppet on a string bought off politicians say that it is alright to kill after they can get another war started for themselves somewhere on earth, and be able to fill their bank accounts with more money from a war. One would think that to join a military is glorious and great to do so. Sadly, for some, they think that is a glorious thing to do and go out there and join the military to be able to go kill someone in some war. The only thing that prevents China from invading other countries is the threat of military violence being committed against themselves also. Why some people get all concerned about Russia-Russia-Russia is beyond me. The Russians and the Ukranians have always despised and hated one another. No doubt that was all due too because of Stalin and communism that did cause great instability and was responsible for millions of deaths of the Ukranian people. The Russians are not trying to invade other countries like China would like to do. The people of Crimea wanted to join with Russia. Crimea was not taken by Russia by force or war. China is trying to force communism on the people of Hong Kong. Why people allow themselves to be brainwashed into believing that Russia-Russia-Russia is the problem and not China is beyond me. The main stream fake and phony media do really have a hold on so many people's brains. Shocking indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 39 minutes ago, Army Guy said: If it was that easy , I would have done it long ago, I don't think you really understand the level hate can reach, this is not just I hate ice cream, this is I hate terrorists, with every sense I have , I have seen their crimes first hand, I've seen the pain they have cause the people of Afghanistan, and to my comrades ,and to myself, they have forced me to become who I was while on tour, they have stolen who I was before my first day in combat...they have taken everything and left nothing, I find it hard to forgive them for any of that... That is what hate does to a person, it eats at you from the inside and changes you...the sooner if fades the better. I've passed on the torch to a younger , soldier, my days on the battle field are done and well behind me...I don't need that hate any more. The system will now start to work on the younger generation, and get them to believe that if they want to live in a free and safe world, they should or must join the military and be prepared to maybe have to go fight someone of another country. As you said, you have already walked into their warmongering trap, and sadly, there will be more young people that will also do the same thing and will walk into another trap being set for them. Personally, anyone who joins the military has no reasons to whine and cry about what happens to them after a war is over. There is plenty of good information being put out there for anyone to see that war will not be all that great for them to want to go join the military. For those who do join the military, well don't expect that the war to be fought will be for the get together of a three course meal with your now new enemy. You have a very good chance of getting seriously maimed or worse killed. But most people will not care. Some will join the military anyway and they will probably say that getting harmed in anyway will not happen to me, Then some do come home minus their legs or arms or in a body bag. But by then, it is too late for them. And it is all done for the globalist warmongers benefit who could careless about what happens to their puppet on a string soldiers. Aw well, what more can be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 9 hours ago, French Patriot said: Sure many animals fight, but not to the death. You seldom see the winner of a fight chase the loser who is trying to run away. That would be stupid on his part as all conflict has a chance of killing the winner as well. backing off is the better survival strategy and that is why they let the loser run away. The murder rate in the natural world is vastly higher than in our society. 9 hours ago, French Patriot said: Your not working with me here. They, today, would jail him, but if no jail is available then they would of course execute him as a society and not as individuals. When we can, yes. You have to admit that that is the best survival strategy. If you compete, you might lose. Our instincts to kill are a holdover from most of human history when you couldn't just call the cops and they'd be at your door in a squadcar in 5 minutes. Before it could take days by horse to even communicate with law enforcement, so you had to defend yourself. Sometimes it's hard for humans to escape their instincts when sh!t hits the fan. Hence, murder. 9 hours ago, French Patriot said: History is not a self evolving entity. Look around. Do you see more people fighting or cooperating. We are so nice to each other that evolutionists are hard pressed to dither out why we are so nice. How nice do you think people would be if police didn't threaten people with violence to cooperate? You'd almost certainly be armed to the teeth with weapons and more suspicious of everyone. Go to a developing country with a lack of law and order, and you'll see a lot more crime and violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 7:06 PM, taxme said: The system will now start to work on the younger generation, and get them to believe that if they want to live in a free and safe world, they should or must join the military and be prepared to maybe have to go fight someone of another country. As you said, you have already walked into their warmongering trap, and sadly, there will be more young people that will also do the same thing and will walk into another trap being set for them. Personally, anyone who joins the military has no reasons to whine and cry about what happens to them after a war is over. There is plenty of good information being put out there for anyone to see that war will not be all that great for them to want to go join the military. For those who do join the military, well don't expect that the war to be fought will be for the get together of a three course meal with your now new enemy. You have a very good chance of getting seriously maimed or worse killed. But most people will not care. Some will join the military anyway and they will probably say that getting harmed in anyway will not happen to me, Then some do come home minus their legs or arms or in a body bag. But by then, it is too late for them. And it is all done for the globalist warmongers benefit who could careless about what happens to their puppet on a string soldiers. Aw well, what more can be said. Like it or not Taxme, there will always be a military machine that will grind our young men up, those men and women join for thousands of reasons, you have touched on none of them. Don't want or like the military thats fine, thats your choice, but don't sit there and tell me that our soldiers sacrifices have not given you anything in this life. I was not whining but rather explaining how killing effects most of us, and it's side effects, and as part of that process I described how hate play a key role in my journey as a soldier, and my choice to pull the trigger. and if we were to take your opinion on what we can and can not whine about "your words" there is info out there on everything, like taxes, women, road blocks, you name it there is massive amounts of info on it, negating the need to whine or complain about anything...But then again, I have said repeatedly that nothing can prepare you for the battlefield, or what your life is going to look like after you get back , and deal with guilt of surviving, or taking a life, or watching a good friend turned to mist.... Soldiers don't join the military to serve globalist or conspiracy theorists they join to serve they're country, and the men and women on the left of them and on the right of them... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) On 2/24/2020 at 5:14 PM, taxme said: We are taught and conditioned from birth to want to go out and join the military do some killing by the globalist international bankster Zionist elite who promote wars and the killing of men because they have and do create the money to be able to do so, and of course who also control their puppet on a string politicians, and their control of the main stream media. ..same old tune.... Edited February 26, 2020 by Rue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 6:06 PM, taxme said: And it is all done for the globalist warmongers benefit who could careless about what happens to their puppet on a string soldiers. Aw well, what more can be said. ..same old tune... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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