Pipeline protestors need to be jailed

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, jacee said:

Nobody's replacing anything "right now". You're being as ridiculous as a Wexiteer.  Lol 

 

I'm asking what YOU have to replace it with and the answer is NOTHING.

Can't heat with nothing.

So...we need natural gas is what you're saying. Well, let's go get some.

[Argus]

2 minutes ago, jacee said:

Thanks for your uninformed 'expertise' (that can't even comprehend that new information has just doomed the 'interim gas boom')  but ... I'll trust the free market and entrepreneurial spirits to provide the best solutions, and the best investments. 

The switch of government subsidies to free the energy market is all that is required.

Without government subsidies there would be no wind or solar power in Canada. They cannot survive without heavy subsidies. Unlike the oil industry.

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, jacee said:

Thanks for your uninformed 'expertise' (that can't even comprehend that new information has just doomed the 'interim gas boom')  but ... I'll trust the free market and entrepreneurial spirits to provide the best solutions, and the best investments. 

The switch of government subsidies to free the energy market is all that is required. 

Hardline 'conservatives' ... so attached to their corporate welfare nanny-oil-state's false profits that exist only when propped up by taxpayers... now that's certainly a self-serving contradiction!  Lol 

What ever happened to conservatives' spirit of free enterprise, fair competition, free markets ... ???!! 

Transitioning from fossil fuels to renewable energy is a simple matter of lifting the constraints on the free market. 

Are you saying that conservatives don't believe in a free market in energy? 

I actually don't really care what conservatives think these days. They are a minority and have made themselves irrelevant. It is just ludicrous to see conservatives so attached to the public teat.  Two-faced much?  'Welfare for fossil fuels, but not for people'?  Lol 

You’re so clueless it’s laughable.  You couldn’t set up a profitable green energy supply if your life depended on it.  Keep trying to Google your way to success.  I’m a small energy producer in the green economy and speak from experience. Put your money where your mouth is and talk to me in 20 years. 

[jacee]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The main problem for the Greentards is not investors, the main problem is that Wind Farms ! turned out to be investor driven pump and dump scams which bilked the taxpayer

Investors are happy to take subsidies from the Kathleen Wynne's of the world, but it's the taxpayer footing the bill.

Oil on the other hand, actually produces revenues for the taxpayer

Only when profits are propped up by taxpayers.

Let's see how they perform in a free energy market, without public subsidies!  Lol 

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, jacee said:

Only when profits are propped up by taxpayers.

Let's see how they perform in a free energy market, without public subsidies!  Lol 

Total revenue from Ontario's Green Energy is 0.5 billion, while at the same time Ontario is subsidizing it to the tune of $4.2 billion, for a net loss of $3.7 billion to the taxpayer

So Green Energy is pain without gain, this is already backfiring against the Green agenda, it's basically what got Doug Ford elected and the Liberals reduced to near nil

 

[DogOnPorch]

This all reminds me of South Park's hybrid car episode...where Gerald buys a hybrid car and turns insufferable. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

This all reminds me of South Park's hybrid car episode...where Gerald buys a hybrid car and turns insufferable. 

Levels of atmospheric smug increased dramatically!

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, bcsapper said:

Levels of atmospheric smug increased dramatically!

 

George Clooney's Academy Award acceptance speech...he took credit for it all!

[DogOnPorch]

...this also seems a LOT like the old back to nature movement of my yute. 

Minus the luxury of being able to fall a tree for firewood.

[Dougie93]

What the Green Plan in Ontario has done is subsidize with what are called Feed-in-Tariffs, which is paid for with a tax they call the Global Adjustment

This tax was so unpopular the Greentards have had to try to hide it from the rate payers by taking it off the books

Really Ontario is going to be paying rates vastly above market prices for decades to come, so Ontario will never make the money back, it really is a disaster.

[Dougie93]

The upside is that the leftists are bankrupting their own bloated welfare states and it is clear they won't be able to tax their way out of it, so ultimately this will result in less public sector unionized employees as the governments of the future are swamped by the Green Debt, so it all works out for the right in the long run.

Edited March 8, 2020 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Bear in mind that the thing you as an investor can make money off here is interest, not right now, but in the future when the interest rates climb, you can buy Ontario's massive debt and take your profits by fixed income.

[jacee]

57 minutes ago, Argus said:

Without government subsidies there would be no wind or solar power in Canada. They cannot survive without heavy subsidies. Unlike the oil industry.

That's precisely ... nonsense: You've made that up. Where's your linky proof?  Lol 

https://environmentaldefence.ca/2019/06/06/cleaner-cheaper-growing-renewables-ready-canadian-policy-isnt/

We’ve seen that recently in Alberta. Over the last 18 months, renewable energy companies signed contracts to feed green power to the grid that will be cheaper than natural gas plants.

Despite common perceptions, those low costs are possible without subsidies. In fact, it is fossil fuels such as coal, oil and natural gas that get the bulk of government handouts.

 

Renewable energy, already cheaper, becomes more profitable than fossil fuel energy when we switch just 30% of fossil fuel subsidies to renewable energy, level the playing field, free the energy market: Investment money goes where the profits are ... and the green shift is done! 

It's really very simple. 

We just have to break the fossil fuel industry's dependency on massive public welfare. They can sink or swim without our money. 

Edited March 8, 2020 by jacee

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, jacee said:

That's precisely ... nonsense: You've made that up. Where's your linky proof?  Lol 

https://environmentaldefence.ca/2019/06/06/cleaner-cheaper-growing-renewables-ready-canadian-policy-isnt/

 

Environmental Defence Canada is a well known propaganda shop funded by the infamous American  Tides Foundation in cahoots with the thugs at Unifor.

Environmental group still being investigated by Revenue Canada

Next month marks five years that Environmental Defence has been under audit for its political activities

 

Protester in Vanvouver opposing the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain Pipeline expansion project. Environmental Defence, a Toronto charity that also opposes Kinder Morgan, remains under threat by the Canada Revenue Agency.

A small environmental group opposed to Liberal pipeline policies is still under threat by the Canada Revenue Agency – almost five years after getting into trouble with the taxman for opposing Conservative pipeline policies.

The tax agency has notified Environmental Defence Canada Inc. in writing that it plans to revoke its charitable status because the group is too political — a contravention of current rules for charities.

So far the Toronto charity's appeal of that decision has not been successful, even after spending up to $500,000 in legal and other fees to deal with a political-activity audit that begin in early 2012.

[jacee]

43 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Total revenue from Ontario's Green Energy is 0.5 billion, while at the same time Ontario is subsidizing it to the tune of $4.2 billion, for a net loss of $3.7 billion to the taxpayer

So Green Energy is pain without gain, this is already backfiring against the Green agenda, it's basically what got Doug Ford elected and the Liberals reduced to near nil

 

Link?

[mowich]

18 hours ago, jacee said:

Indigenous people don't seem to be having any problem gaining the support of a majority of Canadians  because we all know that it is our governments' failure to do their job that has brought things to this point. 

(Conservatives are a minority, and even some of them understand that government incompetence is the problem.) 

Well of course the majority of Canadians are on-side with the majority of FNs that support resource extraction.  We'd like nothing better than to see those communities reap the benefits that lie under their feet.  We also support tearing up the racist Indian Act though all of us have a fight on our hands trying to get the fat cat AFN to give up their power in order for ordinary FNs to have a say. 

You want to bellyache about how bad things are for FNs, best you start going after the AFN.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, jacee said:

Link?

No need to prove it to you, the electorate has already thrown you out in favor of Doug Ford, if that didn't send you a message, nothing will.

 

[mowich]

1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

That's not saying anything.

What do you propose replaces natural gas if it's so evil? Keeping in mind it's -20 right NOW...not just in theory.

Well?

Obviously she cares not a whit for anyone but herself........a real Marie Antoinette but instead of 'let them eat cake' with her it's 'let them freeze, I'm just fine.  Ah the humanity. 

[mowich]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

You’re so clueless it’s laughable.  You couldn’t set up a profitable green energy supply if your life depended on it.  Keep trying to Google your way to success.  I’m a small energy producer in the green economy and speak from experience. Put your money where your mouth is and talk to me in 20 years. 

Clueless and racist too, Zeitgeist.  She is all for depriving millions of FNs the ability to heat their homes, provide good jobs and be equal partners in Canada's resource industry.  All hat and no cattle, her.

[jacee]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Environmental Defence Canada is a well known propaganda shop funded by the infamous American  Tides Foundation in cahoots with the thugs at Unifor.

Environmental group still being investigated by Revenue Canada

Next month marks five years that Environmental Defence has been under audit for its political activities

 

Protester in Vanvouver opposing the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain Pipeline expansion project. Environmental Defence, a Toronto charity that also opposes Kinder Morgan, remains under threat by the Canada Revenue Agency.

A small environmental group opposed to Liberal pipeline policies is still under threat by the Canada Revenue Agency – almost five years after getting into trouble with the taxman for opposing Conservative pipeline policies.

The tax agency has notified Environmental Defence Canada Inc. in writing that it plans to revoke its charitable status because the group is too political — a contravention of current rules for charities.

So far the Toronto charity's appeal of that decision has not been successful, even after spending up to $500,000 in legal and other fees to deal with a political-activity audit that begin in early 2012.

2016 article ?!  No link ?! Lol 

Here's an update: 

When Stephen Harper’s Conservatives held power, they ordered the Canada Revenue Agency to initiate costly audits of environmental NGOs (ENGOs) suspected of excessive political or even partisan activity. Justin Trudeau’s Liberals eased the rules restricting the political activities of charities

And your outdated linkless distraction about a taxation dispute doesn't negate anything Environmental Defence or I said. 

cleaner cheaper growing renewables ready.

canadian-policy-isnt

 

 

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, jacee said:

2016 article ?!  No link ?! Lol

It's the CBC state propaganda arm. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-revenue-agency-environmental-defence-audit-political-activity-liberal-1.3879154

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, jacee said:

When Stephen Harper’s Conservatives held power, they ordered the Canada Revenue Agency to initiate costly audits of environmental NGOs (ENGOs) suspected of excessive political or even partisan activity. Justin Trudeau’s Liberals eased the rules restricting the political activities of charities

Justin Trudeau is siding with the American left against the Canadian oil industry, as opposed to Stephen Harper who was trying to protect it, no doubt.

Edited March 8, 2020 by Dougie93

[jacee]

17 minutes ago, mowich said:

1 Well of course the majority of Canadians are on-side with the majority of FNs that support resource extraction. 

2 ... all of us have a fight on our hands trying to get the fat cat AFN to give up their power in order for ordinary FNs to have a say. 

You want to bellyache about how bad things are for FNs, best you start going after the AFN.

Do you even grasp the contradiction in your comments? 

2 The AFN represents Canada's elected Band Councils, some of whom are the "FNs that support resource extraction"

Lol 

1 The vast majority of Canadians - 72% - believe that Canada should be "actively resolving the core issues with Indigenous peoples". 

Federal-politics-March-4-2020-VF-updated.pdf

Nowhere does it say what you claim.

Greta Thunberg is certainly right: The fossil fuel lobby's dirty tactics, outright lies and inability to provide links/evidence/proof of their claims are just a sign of increasing desperation, knowing they are losing. 

[jacee]

33 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Justin Trudeau is siding with the American left against the Canadian oil industry, as opposed to Stephen Harper who was trying to protect it, no doubt.

Justin Trudeau is still SUBSIDIZING THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRIES WITH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY EVERY YEAR, propping up fossil fuel profits with corporate welfare, even as they are losing investor confidence.

Edited March 8, 2020 by jacee

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, jacee said:

Justin Trudeau is still SUBSIDIZING THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRIES WITH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY EVERY YEAR, propping up fossil fuel profits with corporate welfare, even as they are losing investor confidence.

Everything in Canada corporate welfare, socialist Canada is not competitive without massive taxpayer intervention.