Pipeline protestors need to be jailed

[Moonlight Graham]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

A Post National State has no troops, no allies.

Even if the Liberals called the tiny feeble Canadian Army in, they would refuse to do anything about it same as the OPP

Troops are supposed to follow orders, they act on behalf of the government.  If they refuse they should be discharged.

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Troops are supposed to follow orders, they act on behalf of the government.  If they refuse they should be discharged.

Ordering them to crush the Mohawks would be disproportionate use of force, which is prohibited under national and international law and the laws of armed conflict

The Canadian Forces may only use military force against a military target,

In the armed constabulary role,  Aid to the Civil Power,  the Army has no more power than the police do, in fact the army has less power than the police

It would be the same as the OPP,  the Army would set up a cordon around the Indians, but otherwise just sit there and wait them out

Oka was 78 days, the Army didn't crush them, we just sat there and watched.

Edited February 21, 2020 by Dougie93

[Moonlight Graham]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Again, this is how the Mohawks won at Oka

They demonstrated that Canada is way too squeamish and leftist to run them over with the M113's

At which point its a stalemate where just fifty lightly armed Mohawks can hold off a Mechanized Brigade of 5000 troops

The way you defeat a liberal enemy is to threaten to accuse them of being racist/sexist/homophobe.  No guns needed.

[Dougie93]

Just now, Moonlight Graham said:

The way you defeat a liberal enemy is to threaten to accuse them of being racist/sexist/homophobe.  No guns needed.

The Liberals don't really care, all that is just a smoke screen to distract from the fact that they are the enemies of the people working for the Chinese Communists in Beijing

[Moonlight Graham]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Ordering them to crush the Mohawks would be disproportionate use of force, which is prohibited under national and international law and the laws of armed conflict

The Canadian Forces may only use military force against a military target, in the armed constabulary role in Aid to the Civil Power, the Army has no more power than the police do

It would be the same as the OPP,  the Army would set up a cordon around the Indians, but otherwise just sit there and wait them out

I agree.  There's no need to send in the military right now.  The police aren't even doing much.

[Dougie93]

Just now, Moonlight Graham said:

I agree.  There's no need to send in the military right now.  The police aren't even doing much.

Bluffing and then getting called on it is just going to make them look weaker

They can't slaughter the Indians live on tv under any circumstances, thus the military has nowhere to go when the bluff gets called

[Moonlight Graham]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Bluffing and then getting called on it is just going to make them look weaker

They can't slaughter the Indians live on tv under any circumstances, thus the military has nowhere to go when the bluff gets called

The police don't even want to arrest them, because that would look bad.  Hell they don't even want to tell them to leave LOL. If the natives get violent and resist, the police will cower.  Oka was good times lol.

Natives hardly ever have any leverage like this so this is entertaining to watch.

[Dougie93]

Just now, Moonlight Graham said:

The police don't even want to arrest them, because that would look bad.  Hell they don't even want to tell them to leave LOL. If the natives get violent and resist, the police will cower.  Oka was good times lol.

Natives hardly ever have any leverage like this so this is entertaining to watch.

It's all about the Mohawks, the other Indians don't have Canada by the balls by being astride the Windsor to Quebec City corridor main line of communications

The Mohawks are the only ones who can grind things to a halt, with pop up blockades all the way from Windsor to Montreal

The Canadian Army doesn't have the troops to cover that much ground defensively, particularly against sabotage

Thus why the Westsuwtsen Hereditary Chiefs have enlisted the assistance of the Mohawks.

Soon as the Mohawks stand down, this will end, so long as the Mohawks refuse, the Wetsuwetsen can grind things to a halt

[Dougie93]

Bear in mind that the Mohawks can hit three critical lines of communication at once

They can shut down to the St. Lawrence Seaway, Canadian National Railway, and the MacDonald-Cartier Freeway, all at the same time

Only takes a handful of Mohawks to pop up and throw a little monkey wrench into the gears, and everything will stop,

Just for liability reasons, nobody will risk running the gauntlet, just as the rail companies are refusing to right now.

They haven't even started to mess with the highway yet, that's when things will really go haywire, imagine the traffic snarl on steroids they could incite

Ontario doesn't really run on trains, it runs on trucks, when the Mohawks block the highway, then we really will start having empty shelves in the stores

They got all three levels of trade at their mercy : trucks (tactical), trains (operational), ships (strategic)

5th Generation Asymmetrical Warfare : Hyperpowered Individuals & Small Groups

 

Edited February 21, 2020 by Dougie93

[mowich]

On 2/18/2020 at 4:15 PM, scribblet said:

Also this is more about politics and issues between the various Chiefs.. read this...https://www.jlsreport.com/.../16/wolves-in-fancy-blankets/

Terri Tiljoe

I see all these posts supporting a few OW Hereditary Chiefs but what I don't see is the Wetsuweten people speaking up about how this office operates. I get it though, I live on Westbank First Nation, I see exactly how opportunities are disbursed based on whether you are "one of them" or "one of us". Luckily, I also lived up in Houston BC and know first hand about the motives of some of the OW Hereditary Chiefs.

My husband is the late Larry Tiljoe, a member of the Witset Band, Gilseyhu Clan and Unistoten "family" line. The Tiljoe family have lived and worked, off reserve, in the Houston area their entire lives. Larry's father is Russell Tiljoe, Russell's father was Alex Tiljoe, the late Chief Namox. Larry's mother Elsie, is the granddaughter of Christine Holland, the late Chief Knedebeas. Elsie and Larry both hold trapline rights along the pipeline within Knedebeas territory and the family has a long standing and significant connection to the land in and around Houston and the Knedebeas territories.

In 1993, we started a silviculture business, Nadina Mountain Contracting, located within the Morice Forest District. Our goal was to become a sustainable First Nation contractor who harvested, replanted and rejuvenated the areas we harvested. We managed our contracts and ensured their successful completion and established solid working relationships with local forestry industry key players. We employed many people from Moricetown to Burns Lake, both Native and non-Native. We were employed full time managing the land and forest health, building our business. Then the Office of the Wetsuweten of the Hereditary Chiefs came along.    cont...

Excellent post, scribblet and thank you for the link.

[mowich]

On 2/18/2020 at 4:10 PM, Dougie93 said:

 

About time this benighted simpleton got 'woke' to the fact that her intervention in this matter is neither warranted nor wanted.  HOW DARE SHE!

[mowich]

On 2/18/2020 at 4:57 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Somebody has found the silver lining in all of this....could be Trudeau's welcomed undoing (government falls).

The worse it gets, the more likely that Trudeau is turfed.

It would be nice to think so, bush_cheney but the fact is that all but the Conservatives are so far left that the idea they would support a non-confidence motion on anything that touches upon the pipelines or the FNs is pie-in-the-sky thinking.

[mowich]

On 2/18/2020 at 5:14 PM, jacee said:

I expect the Crown to consult with the Aboriginal rights holders for the whole territory. It's the law. 

BC refused ... quite rudely.

The feds are requesting that now.

 

From the BC court injunction ruling 2019 BCSC 2264, para. 152:

"...the defendants [hereditary chiefs] chose not to engage in consultation with the plaintiff [Coastal Gas] or to challenge the permits and authorizations when they were issued."
 

[mowich]

On 2/18/2020 at 11:08 PM, taxme said:

Bloody white trash is what they are. All brought up on white bleeding heart guilt ridden leftist liberal bull chit propaganda. As long as this country remains under the control and influence of liberalism this country will only get worse. The liberals and the NDP socialists gave us these school conditioned and trained anti-pipeline white scum zombies. They are part of the George Soros gang of commie thugs who are trying to de-industrialize Canada. And our dear leaders are going along with these eco terrorists. Hell, even Scheer would not do a dam thing about this pipeline fiasco. Scheer is probably in bed with Soros just like emperor Trudeau is. When the law is pushed aside, tyranny will soon follow. It looks like that tyranny is here in Canada now. 

Jonathan Kay – Meet Canada’s new racists : our self-mortifying ‘progressive’ urbanites

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jonathan-kay-meet-canadas-new-racists-our-self-mortifying-progressive-urbanites

[mowich]

On 2/19/2020 at 8:25 PM, Zeitgeist said:

The seeds of this mess were sown by an overblown and ridiculous notion that somehow all injustices of the past, especially the distant past, can be laid at the feet of present-day Canadians, half of whom came to this country within the past 50 years, or their parents/grandparents did.  It’s all centred around this dysfunctional idea that certain people (Indigenous) are owed something for nothing.  What a farce.  Marry this ethnocentric idea of racially pure original peoples (Aboriginal) with environmental extremism, to purify free land for select races.  Taxpaying workers have to pay for this scheme, especially if the Green fascists pile on additional Green taxes.  The immediate crisis of course is that workers and the products and energy they provide can’t get to their destination because the Green fascists are blocking the railway tracks.  It doesn’t matter much to the protesters who clearly don’t have to be anywhere else, like a workplace or home to take care of children and elderly.  These protesters are breaking the law and must be removed immediately.  Failure to do so is downright police and government incompetence.  

In absolute and total agreement with every single word, Zeitgeist.

[scribblet]

Trudeau has already chosen already  radical social justice propaganda over the Canadian economy and National unity which are just more casualties of Trudeau's war on Canada (well it seems that way).  

[mowich]

On 2/19/2020 at 10:25 PM, eyeball said:

Only at the level of band council which is to say a level subordinate to traditional Mohawk leadership.

It's great to see such intransigent stubborn unwillingness to appreciate the issue for what it is.  It means the day our pipelines start fueling the growth of China's dictatorship are further in the future.  Maybe by the time we figure it out China's dictatorship will be overthrown and selling to China won't be a concern and we'll all be using something green to energize our lives.

It's great to see your utter contempt for those First Nations working hard to improve the quality of life for their people by partnering with resource companies which offer them the ONLY way out of poverty./s

[Dougie93]

17 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 

Natives hardly ever have any leverage like this so this is entertaining to watch.

That's a delusion.

Canada is a broken dead thing.

The corpse is not going to do anything for them, even if they start a war, so it's a dead end, literally.

[WestCanMan]

28 minutes ago, mowich said:

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jonathan-kay-meet-canadas-new-racists-our-self-mortifying-progressive-urbanites

Good article Mowich:

Quote

 

In this regard, the 670-kilometre Coastal GasLink Pipeline from northeastern B.C. to Kitimat arguably presents a case study in the RCAP vision. The consultations began in the early 2010s, and resulted in agreements with all 20 elected First Nations bands along the path of the pipeline — including the Wet’suwet’en. It also includes about $1 billion in contracts awarded to local businesses. There were more than 100 in-person meetings with the Wet’suwet’en hereditary chiefs — including those who do not formally represent their local constituents, but whose complaints have become the central moral focus of the current nationwide protests and barricades.

The system of federally and provincially mandated consultations and approvals is now so extensive, in fact, that Coastal GasLink effectively took on the role of professional cultural preservationist. Having been instructed by Wet’suwet’en leaders in the legend of the Kweese War Trail — a mythologized path containing the bodies of Wet’suwet’en soldiers — the company’s engineers and archeologists hunted for artifacts, and worked to protect the areas specified on maps provided by the Wet’suwet’en. Given all this, it is hardly a surprise that the majority of rank-and-file Wet’suwet’en members support the pipeline project, and that opposition within the community seems largely confined to a small clique of middle-aged men with a strong sense of inherited entitlement.

 

And this is the point where Soros's useful idiots start running around acting butthurt, and screaming platitudes that would make a Berkeley grad wince in embarrassment. 

[scribblet]

Maybe  a good move towards 'Reconciliation' would be to slash foreign aid then redirecting it  towards communities in need, many of whom are Native . Instead, Trudeau keeps focusing on foreign countries spending billions for UN seat. 

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, mowich said:

It's great to see your utter contempt for those First Nations working hard to improve the quality of life for their people by partnering with resource companies which offer them the ONLY way out of poverty./s

I have no contempt for them but I do for the stupid resource company that was given consent to put their pipeline elsewhere.

Besides which the best way out of poverty is to reconcile and secure treaties.  I see the evidence of that growing just about everyday where I live.  As I've repeated many times reconciliation is one of the biggest economic drivers now where I live.

Much of Canada is really missing out. 

[Dougie93]

55 minutes ago, mowich said:

About time this benighted simpleton got 'woke' to the fact that her intervention in this matter is neither warranted nor wanted.  HOW DARE SHE!

Canada has no warrants nor wants, the Thunberg Cult is simply filling the void left in the wake of a British imperial legacy project that really doesn't exist anymore.

The Post National State propped up by the Launrentian Elites is what is referred to as a Potemkin Village, it's just a facade, there's no there there.

Edited February 21, 2020 by Dougie93

[mowich]

10 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Maybe  a good move towards 'Reconciliation' would be to slash foreign aid then redirecting it  towards communities in need, many of whom are Native . Instead, Trudeau keeps focusing on foreign countries spending billions for UN seat. 

Throwing away more money on remote bands that exist only on government hand-outs is and always was a no-win situation as is evidenced by multiple bands who STILL are without clean water, decent housing, social services support for their suicidal youth and a plethora of other problems that have plagued such communities for decades.  The only way out of poverty is good jobs that will provide employment for the FNs and funds to improve living conditions. 

[eyeball]

26 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Maybe  a good move towards 'Reconciliation' would be to slash foreign aid then redirecting it  towards communities in need, many of whom are Native . Instead, Trudeau keeps focusing on foreign countries spending billions for UN seat. 

That would be a good idea if it was directed towards Reconciliation instead of 'Reconciliation'. I'm pretty sure hereditary chiefs are hip to what these little grammatical devices you use are for.

[mowich]

31 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I have no contempt for them but I do for the stupid resource company that was given consent to put their pipeline elsewhere.

Besides which the best way out of poverty is to reconcile and secure treaties.  I see the evidence of that growing just about everyday where I live.  As I've repeated many times reconciliation is one of the biggest economic drivers now where I live.

Much of Canada is really missing out. 

".....but I do for the stupid resource company that was given consent to put their pipeline elsewhere."  Rather misplaced contempt considering it was the 20 bands and communities along the line that gave consent.