Entitled refugees

[dialamah]

35 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Any time your BIL wants to - he can make a different choice - he can choose to force your sister to wear hijab, he can choose to take another wife or three, he can choose to beat her, he can choose to keep her trapped in the house.

Of course, in Goddess' Islamophobic world, no Muslim has any ethics, eh?  Any moment they might snap and become violent, and start beating and raping women and killing anyone who doesn't adhere to the very strictest form of Islam.

38 minutes ago, Goddess said:

the fact is that Islam offers him that choice.

Any religion offers that choice, and in poorer/third world nations around the world, women have fewer protections than they do in Western nations, including my sister - a fact of which she is well aware.  Stop spreading the propagandist idea that somehow Islam is "worse" than any other religion that is permitted any kind of social or political power.

And now go ahead, twist my words to pretend I said something entirely different to what I actually posted.

[Goddess]

6 minutes ago, dialamah said:

And now go ahead, twist my words to pretend I said something entirely different to what I actually posted.

Talk about twisting:  I said Islam allows more than one wife, allows men to beat their wives, often forces hijab, etc.  And it is the offering of these choices to men that makes it a harmful religion.

And you replied this:

7 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Of course, in Goddess' Islamophobic world, no Muslim has any ethics, eh? 

If you can't debate with honesty, then what are you doing here?

[dialamah]

37 minutes ago, Marocc said:

Where does it offer that choice?

She'll only be able to refer to cherry-picked verses and hadiths from other anti-Muslim propagandists.  Anything that contradicts an extremely negative interpretation of any Islamic teaching is fought tooth and nail by these people.  They are all spreading an extremist version of Islam, just like ISIS, al-Queda and the Taliban do.

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

She'll only be able to refer to cherry-picked verses and hadiths from other anti-Muslim propagandists.

Actually, they come from Muslim websites and discussion forums.  You know, Muslims themselves.

Yes, I agree their interpretations are extreme - but Islam lends itself to that.

ETA:  It's a bit ironic that you're agreeing with the woman who believes women should be covered at all times and can only shake hands with gloves on, maybe.

Edited February 3, 2020 by Goddess

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

She'll only be able to refer to cherry-picked verses and hadiths from other anti-Muslim propagandists.  Anything that contradicts an extremely negative interpretation of any Islamic teaching is fought tooth and nail by these people.  They are all spreading an extremist version of Islam, just like ISIS, al-Queda and the Taliban do.

 

There is only one Quran. There isn't an 'extremist version'.

[Modest]

On 1/28/2020 at 5:18 PM, taxme said:

As far as I am concerned, paying taxes to help support a bunch of unwanted and unneeded refugee strangers is a misuse of taxpayer's tax dollars and is near criminal. After all, it only is just costing the Canadian taxpayer's hundreds of billions of their tax dollars every year, and all for nothing. 

You target the Syrian (and more generally Muslim) refugees or immigrants. I wonder if you oppose also the border policies of the Canadian government that allow huge numbers of Blacks (that are illegally in USA) to come to Canada from USA, that is from a country that is not in civil war situation, nor some cruel dictatorship.  I for one prefer to see a government that invest in programs to stimulate endogenous fertility, not immigration. But if there has to be immigration, I prefer much more people from Afghanistan and Syria, than Blacks. Their religion, their traditions and their ways of life doesn't concern me at all - I did live under a communist government, which it was annoying, now I live under the most obscene and idiotic regime of self-haters that ever existed, and still survive. Cultures change (too) quickly in time. Phenotype and genotype not so much.        

[Moonlight Graham]

FACT:  Canada will legally recognize your 5 polygamous wives if you were all married before coming to Canada, but will not recognize those polygamous marriages if they're done within Canada.

[Guest ProudConservative]

8 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

FACT:  Canada will legally recognize your 5 polygamous wives if you were all married before coming to Canada, but will not recognize those polygamous marriages if they're done within Canada.

That wouldn't happen if Paul Martin was still in power.... They basically had to pull his arm off, just to get him to support the legalization of gay marriage.

Edited February 4, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Modest]

8 hours ago, dialamah said:

She'll only be able to refer to cherry-picked verses and hadiths from other anti-Muslim propagandists.  Anything that contradicts an extremely negative interpretation of any Islamic teaching is fought tooth and nail by these people.  They are all spreading an extremist version of Islam, just like ISIS, al-Queda and the Taliban do.

 

''Extremism'' not equal ''bad'' necessarily. Take ISIS' case: there was scores of stupid (somehow pleonastic, I know that...) western women that did go with their Muslim spouses in the area under ISIS control, and gave birth in atrocious conditions (under western bombings and lack of any decent medical system) there to some 3-4 kids. Somehow the ''extremists'' know how to make them breed. Obviously they give them exactly what these women need (domination of REAL men, not degenerate ass-kissers) which of course it is not what these women think they need (rights, careers, and feminist bullshit that barren them and make them unhappy). The same happened during the Middle Ages' : they breed like hell, the population increased despite lacking sanitary conditions, despite catastrophic drought, despite the cooling made during the small ice age, despite ongoing wars and pest epidemics and despite the stupid measures imposed by the church to make huge masses fo them nuns and monks. Despite all that, they multiplied so that they were able later to export population on 5 continents and wage many wars put under the label of crusades, and kill themselves in "world" wars. Now, in peacetime, with plenty of welfare and rights, and helping institutions, they are as another species. What changed meanwhile? Thatès the culture - some idiots convinced them to abandon "extremism". And they agreed, unfortunately. Fact is that "extremism" is the only tested method to keep a society alive and sustainable, aside the shameful and unsustainable solution of looting others' societies human resource. The liberal cockroaches had decades if not a full century to look for and find other solutions than religious fundamentalism, but they failed even to try !!!  No wonder that some of us turn now toward traditions that albeit hateful, at least doesn't exterminate us as the liberalism do. 

Edited February 4, 2020 by Modest

[Marocc]

3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

FACT:  Canada will legally recognize your 5 polygamous wives if you were all married before coming to Canada, but will not recognize those polygamous marriages if they're done within Canada.

Sharia law

[Marocc]

10 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

There is only one Quran. There isn't an 'extremist version'.

Though your comment doesn't have anything to do with the comment you replied to, you are correct.

[Marocc]

11 hours ago, dialamah said:

She'll only be able

She doesn't even respond anymore.

[Guest ProudConservative]

2 minutes ago, Marocc said:

She doesn't even respond anymore.

Why is your profile image, some girl in a Burka shooting a bow and arrow? Are you trying to mock Islam, or the people concerned about Islam?

[Moonlight Graham]

11 minutes ago, Marocc said:

Sharia law

Our house, our rules.  Don't like it then don't come here.  Same as any other country.

[Marocc]

1 hour ago, ProudConservative said:

Why is your profile image, some girl in a Burka shooting a bow and arrow?

I don't think that is a burqa. I like the picture. Don't you?

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Our house, our rules.  Don't like it then don't come here.  Same as any other country.

Muslims follow sharia everywhere.

[DogOnPorch]

3 hours ago, Marocc said:

Though your comment doesn't have anything to do with the comment you replied to, you are correct.

 

Yes it does and I don't need you to verify me being correct.

I know I'm correct.

[dialamah]

12 hours ago, Modest said:

Obviously they give them exactly what these women need (domination of REAL men, not degenerate ass-kissers) which of course it is not what these women think they need (rights, careers, and feminist bullshit that barren them and make them unhappy)

Weird, barbaric, ignorant philosophy you have there claiming that women prefer being dominated, controlled and raped over having rights and freedom.  Is that Incel?  MGTOW?  Are you a refugee from here?  

Edited February 4, 2020 by dialamah

[Marocc]

6 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Yes it does

No it doesn't. Look for yourself

21 hours ago, dialamah said:

She'll only be able to refer to cherry-picked verses and hadiths from other anti-Muslim propagandists.  Anything that contradicts an extremely negative interpretation of any Islamic teaching is fought tooth and nail by these people.  They are all spreading an extremist version of Islam, just like ISIS, al-Queda and the Taliban do.

She is saying here "extremist version of Islam". You replied

20 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

There is only one Quran. There isn't an 'extremist version'.

As though she had been speaking of the Quran.

6 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

I don't need you to verify me being correct.

I know you don't, but I had to because for once you actually said the truth.

[dialamah]

13 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

FACT:  Canada will legally recognize your 5 polygamous wives if you were all married before coming to Canada, but will not recognize those polygamous marriages if they're done within Canada.

Is this really a fact?  How do we 'recognize' them?  I understand you may have more knowledge of this than I do per your work experience, but according to this (critical) Maclean's article, we expect them to convert the first marriage into the monogamous one (enforcement is the issue, as it always is).  The article is old, but I couldn't find anything more current.  What has changed since then?

Plenty of non-Muslim and non-religious people in Canada live in long-term, plural-partner relationships which they consider 'marriages' , even though the law doesn't recognize them.  They'll have some kind of formal marriage celebration, to recognize their commitment and intention, and skip all the legal stuff.  I imagine Muslims would do the same.  

Also, I believe men are limited to 4 wives in Islam.   

[Goddess]

They find ways around the law.  Bringing in second or third wives as "cousins" or nannies.  And Canada is lax about applying the law or investigating such situations.

I'm going to assume that Islam requires men to be able to support such polygamous families, but that's not happening in Canada.  Extra wives and the children they produce are often living off our generous social welfare systems.  How can one man support multiple families adequately?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/polygamy-canadian-muslim-community-1.4971971

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-january-14-2019-1.4976950/polygamy-is-happening-in-canada-s-muslim-community-but-convictions-are-rare-says-reporter-1.4976984

Interestingly, it appears that only white people have been the (rare) convictions for it.  I believe this is because other polygamists do not enjoy the support of their culture and society, as Muslims do.

 

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In 2017, a judge found two B.C. men guilty of polygamy for marrying dozens of women. Winston Blackmore and James Oler were both sentenced to house arrest for their crimes.

"Those were only the third and the fourth conviction of polygamy in Canadian history," said Nosheen.

 

For Dia's benefit:

Not all Muslim men.

Some white people do it, too.

Hopefully that will eliminate pages and pages of deflection.

[Marocc]

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

They find ways around the law.  Bringing in second or third wives as "cousins" or nannies. 

What law is this?

Anyone can apply for a permit to stay, but the only things that can help with it are marriage and parenthood.

 

[scribblet]

In Canada, polygamy is against the criminal law. Section 293(1) of the Criminal Code makes it a criminal offence to enter into a conjugal union with more than one person at the same time. 

Nonetheless, the Ontario Family Law Act recognizes wives in polygamous marriages as spouses, providing the marriages were conducted legally under Islamic law abroad. 

http://www.wluml.org/node/4422

Polygamous Muslims in Ontario receive benefits, although polygamy is officially illegal in Canada.

An abuse of the welfare system by GTA [Greater Toronto Area, ed.] Muslim men allowed to live in polygamous marriages under a controversial Ontario law was met with shock and outrage yesterday.

Politicians and the public reacted angrily to an exclusive story in yesterday's Toronto Sun about how the men collected social benefits for up to four wives.

Mumtaz Ali, president of the Canadian Society of Muslims, said hundreds of members of his community in polygamous marriages have been collecting welfare for some time.

The CBC 5th Estate did a piece on polygamy

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/polygamy-canadian-muslim-community-1.4971971

 

 

 

Edited February 4, 2020 by scribblet

[dialamah]

@scribblet... thanks for the info.  At first glance and not having looked at the links yet, I'd say that there should not be special treatment for Muslims, regardless of where the marriages occurred.  

[Shady]

On 2/3/2020 at 11:53 AM, dialamah said:

Stop spreading the propagandist idea that somehow Islam is "worse" than any other religion

It absolutely is worse than any other religion.  Even high profile atheists like Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens recognize that fact.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

It absolutely is worse than any other religion.  Even high profile atheists like Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens recognize that fact.

Perhaps not worse than 'any' other religion There are probably still some cults that practice human sacrifice out there. But it's certainly worse than any other major religion in its cruelty, barbarism and violent punishments, as well as the behaviour it inspires in a lot of those who practice it. It's also the only one I'm aware of which focuses so much on how to treat 'unbelievers' - little of which is kindly.

Edited February 4, 2020 by Argus