Army Guy Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 Justin is on stage every time he goes out in public , it is part of the job....he has responsibilities, to represent Canada in the best light possible... di he do that , answer is no he did not, like I said before want to mock trump do it with the wife or close friend, not in the canteen in front of all the other world leaders. It's not good to show our enemies our dirty laundry or the divisions in NATO. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 Biden wouldn't be any friendlier to Canada, the Democrats want to make trade war against two faced protectionist Canada. Quote
Dougie93 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Army Guy said: It's not good to show our enemies our dirty laundry or the divisions in NATO. Newsflash, Americans don't care about NATO anymore. Not the Republicans. Not the Democrats neither. The Soviet Union is gone, Russia is no threat to America, NATO is a zombie legacy project left over from 1989 America is moving on, Trump is just the messenger. Quote
Dougie93 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) This is all just partisan posturing inside the beltway, the American people don't care about NATO The US military is the only military with a logistics tail, NATO couldn't fight its way out of a wet paper bag, because it doesn't have the logistics. Everybody in America knows, America has moved on some time ago. NATO is fake, the Russians know it, America knows it, there is no NATO anymore. America has the TRIAD to deter the Russians, America doesn't need NATO, it's a bunch of free riders, Trump is simply speaking the truth of it. Nobody in America really expects Canada to pay its fair share, Canada is a write off, Canada is never going fix its broken down military. The only people who have any delusions that it is even possible to rebuild the Canadian military, are Canadians who live in la-la-land. The Canadian military is dead, and it's not coming back. Canada is dead, and it's not coming back, Americans know. You're not fooling anybody but yourselves, "Canada" The Post National State is isolationist, because it has to be, you have no friends, no allies, no troops. We'd say wake up and smell the coffee, but we know you never will. Edited December 7, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
Army Guy Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 This is why we don't poke the bear. sometimes it bites.... https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/could-more-us-canada-trade-trouble-be-on-the-way-trump-says-he-may-have-to-do-something-after-nato-summit/ar-BBXQPPF Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 Why do you look to America to fix your country for you ? It's not America's job and America doesn't really care. Canada is getting frozen out on trade because Canada is protectionist and in competition with American interests, it has nothing to do with NATO. Quote
Dougie93 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 If you think this is all about Trump, you are living in denial. Obama was just as hostile to Canada on trade. When the Democrats get back into the White House, they will be even more hostile than Trump. The Democrats were always the protectionist party, the Republicans were the free trade party. Now both parties are protectionist, so Canada is f@cked either way. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 53 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: If you think this is all about Trump, you are living in denial. Obama was just as hostile to Canada on trade. True...previous U.S. presidents were just more diplomatic about it. Trumps "mercurial" style and brazen departure from diplomatic protocol just adds more fuel to the fire that began burning many years ago. Trump's rejection of multilateral cooperation to get NATO, trade, arms control, and other leverage drives the lesser gods of the West nuts. How dare this crude American bastard president upset the "post WW2 order" and refuse to continue to pay for the "Grand Bargain" ! All Canadian PMs know that one of their main jobs is to not piss off the elephant, and some are much better at it than others. Justin Trudeau screwed it up even before Trump became president (i.e. "60 Minutes" interview), later adding unforced errors not only with Trump, but several other nations/leaders. The practical impact has been to raise Canada's profile in the USA, but not necessarily in a good way. Some things were out of Canada's control, like post 9/11 security and a thicker border. Losing access to U.S. markets/capital is an existential threat to Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Dougie93 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: True...previous U.S. presidents were just more diplomatic about it. Trumps "mercurial" style and brazen departure from diplomatic protocol just adds more fuel to the fire that began burning many years ago. Trump's rejection of multilateral cooperation to get NATO, trade, arms control, and other leverage drives the lesser gods of the West nuts. How dare this crude American bastard president upset the "post WW2 order" and refuse to continue to pay for the "Grand Bargain" ! All Canadian PMs know that one of their main jobs is to not piss off the elephant, and some are much better at it than others. Justin Trudeau screwed it up even before Trump became president (i.e. "60 Minutes" interview), later adding unforced errors not only with Trump, but several other nations/leaders. The practical impact has been to raise Canada's profile in the USA, but not necessarily in a good way. Some things were out of Canada's control, like post 9/11 security and a thicker border. Losing access to U.S. markets/capital is an existential threat to Canada. Canada's reputation as being a free rider is entrenched now, but the bigger problem for Canada is that the both parties are protectionist. Canada is now in competition with Americans, in the Rust Belt, in Shale Oil, and Agriculture. Not only does America not need Canada's exports, it's in America's interests to keep them out. America First. The days of America propping Canada up are coming to an end. Quote
Dougie93 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 See, bigger picture is that the Information Age is making industrial work scarce, so America is not going to export those jobs to Southern Ontario anymore. Oil is in a long term structural depression, so America has no need to import cheap Canadian oil. Canada is protectionist when it comes to agriculture, so America is going to retaliate in kind. Thus why Canada is having to turn to their new overlords in Beijing, except, now Canada has pissed them off too. Canada is in big trouble, but governance is basically paralyzed in Canada, so it just keeps drifting towards the shoals. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: See, bigger picture is that the Information Age is making industrial work scarce, so America is not going to export those jobs to Southern Ontario anymore. Oil is in a long term structural depression, so America has no need to import cheap Canadian oil. Canada's challenges pre-date Trump (and Trudeau) by many years....worker productivity, domestic capital, east-west logistics/distribution (e.g. pipeline politics), provincial trade barriers, defense spending, protectionism, etc. America and China are far less dependent on export trade than is Canada. The U.S. typically respects strength that is backed up by real power, not just virtue signaling and colourful socks. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Dougie93 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Canada's challenges pre-date Trump (and Trudeau) by many years....worker productivity, domestic capital, east-west logistics/distribution (e.g. pipeline politics), provincial trade barriers, defense spending, protectionism, etc. America and China are far less dependent on export trade than is Canada. The U.S. typically respects strength that is backed up by real power, not just virtue signaling and colourful socks. Indeed, Hewers of Wood and Drawers of Water right back to the British Imperial days, Canada has never had any ambition. This is further exacerbated by a vastly overweening public sector which displaces the private, Canadians are slaves to their own government. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Indeed, Hewers of Wood and Drawers of Water right back to the British Imperial days, Canada has never had any ambition. This is further exacerbated by a vastly overweening public sector which displaces the private, Canadians are slaves to their own government. Well, as an outsider, Canada use to have much greater ambition and drive...not so much any more. Trudeau represents the "post national" Canada...not "O Canada" Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Dougie93 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Well, as an outsider, Canada use to have much greater ambition and drive...not so much any more. Trudeau represents the "post national" Canada...not "O Canada" The onset of the Post National State has been a process, but that has definitely accelerated with the Millennial's : so naive, so easily brainwashed. Quote
Dougie93 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) See the thing about the Post National State is that it is filling the void where governance used to be. Canada, as failed state, in ungovernable, governance is paralyzed, it can't deliver on anything, the dysfunction we used to associate with DND has now taken hold of the entire government. So what they have to do is try to hold everything together with dogma, the Woke agenda, virtue signalling. Thus why they are appealing to the young, because they know that nobody over forty is buying their Jonestown Kool-Aid. The Liberals have erased the history and replaced it with totalitarian indoctrination, it's straight out of the 1930's Then you've got all the bourgeois leftists who just go along to get along, apologists for it, telling people to just "lighten up" and go with it. Edited December 7, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: Justin is on stage every time he goes out in public , it is part of the job....he has responsibilities, to represent Canada in the best light possible... di he do that , answer is no he did not, like I said before want to mock trump do it with the wife or close friend, not in the canteen in front of all the other world leaders. It's not good to show our enemies our dirty laundry or the divisions in NATO. Not buying this world leaders need to act hyper serious all the time stuff. It was a harmless joke and Trump got Trudeau back far worse by calling him Two-Faced, it's not a big deal. Edited December 7, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Dougie93 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 Everything is a f@cking joke in Canada, Canada doesn't take anything seriously, hence why they don't care if they stab their own troops in the back. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: Everything is a f@cking joke in Canada, Canada doesn't take anything seriously, hence why they don't care if they stab their own troops in the back. Canada itself is a joke, plenty to poke fun at, no need for hyper seriousness. Trump likes press conferences, whoop dee doo, Basil. Quote
Dougie93 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Canada itself is a joke, plenty to poke fun at, no need for hyper seriousness. Trump likes press conferences, whoop dee doo, Basil. When I was representing Canada, I took it deadly seriously and conducted myself with a military bearing at all times. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: When I was representing Canada, I took it deadly seriously and conducted myself with a military bearing at all times. You never cracked any jokes in the military? I find that hard to believe. You can be a professional and still make a joke or two, they are not mutually exclusive. Edited December 7, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Dougie93 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: You never cracked any jokes in the military? I find that hard to believe. You can be a professional and still make a joke or two, they are not mutually exclusive. We weren't cracking jokes on parade for world leaders, no. We weren't cracking jokes in orders groups with allied commanders neither. Representing Canada, in the presence of allies, we were all business. Edited December 7, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: We weren't cracking jokes on parade for world leaders, no. We weren't cracking jokes in orders groups with allied commanders neither. Well if you want to make a big deal out of joking about Trump press conferences with Macron and Bojo, go ahead, but seems like a complete nothing burger to me. There are infinitely better things to criticize Trudeau over than this, whoop dee doo. This doesn't rate at all, it's tabloid nonsense. Edited December 7, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Dougie93 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: Well if you want to make a big deal out of joking about Trump press conferences with Macron and Bojo, go ahead, but seems like a complete nothing burger to me. There are infinitely better things to criticize Trudeau over than this, whoop dee doo. It's all of a piece, the entire political class in Canada is a bunch of clowns. Canada used to be governed by serious people, now it's governed by Terrence & Phillip. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: It's all of a piece, the entire political class in Canada is a bunch of clowns. Canada used to be governed by serious people, now it's governed by Terrence & Phillip. True. It does highlight Canada being Clown College, but so do many other things far more consequential than this tabloid garbage. Quote
Dougie93 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Posted December 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: True. It does highlight Canada being Clown College, but so do many other things far more consequential than this tabloid garbage. My friends marched to their deaths for this country. Fully knowing what they were doing, and they were cut down in their prime, for Canada. It upsets me that they died for this shit, breaks my heart actually. Quote
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