Should we bring back the death penalty?

[Guest ProudConservative]

1 minute ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Like in the Islamic State?

No, we're past that.

No we wouldn't be using swords to chop peoples heads off... We use to have public hangings.

 

[QuebecOverCanada]

3 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

No we wouldn't be using swords to chop peoples heads off... We use to have public hangings.

 

Yeah well I'm out on that one.

[Queenmandy85]

Hanging is the only legitimate form of execution. Shooting is what the Red Chinese communists do. 

[Guest ProudConservative]

8 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Yeah well I'm out on that one.

If terrorist were to blow up Union Station in downtown Toronto, would you support the public hanging of the teorrist in Downtown Toronto?

Edited November 22, 2019 by ProudConservative

[Guest]

Just now, ProudConservative said:

If terrorist were to blow up a train station, would you support the public terrorist of the teorrist?

You like trains, eh?  I like trains.

[Guest ProudConservative]

For the people who support the dealth penalty, are there any circumstance in which you would support public executions to be used as deterrence?

[Cannucklehead]

3 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

For the people who support the dealth penalty, are there any circumstance in which you would support public executions to be used as deterrence?

There would be one I could think of.  In the case of Bin Laden i would have liked everyone( and i mean every single person in Canada and the u.s.) to have the chance to kick him in the groin before he was killed.  

[QuebecOverCanada]

23 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

If terrorist were to blow up Union Station in downtown Toronto, would you support the public hanging of the teorrist in Downtown Toronto?

No. 

I would not. Lol.

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

There would be one I could think of.  In the case of Bin Laden i would have liked everyone( and i mean every single person in Canada and the u.s.) to have the chance to kick him in the groin before he was killed.  

It would be getting a bit messy towards the end there.

Strangely enough, if I was going to support the death penalty, I can think of crimes with far fewer victims that I would rather see avenged with your suggestion.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Yes we should bring back death penalty for violent crimes against women and children, murder and repeat rapists. Unfortunately I don't think any party or government has the courage to take this right action.

[Guest]

Just now, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Yes we should bring back death penalty for violent crimes against women and children, murder and repeat rapists. Unfortunately I don't think any party or government has the courage to take this right action.

Why just women and children?  If someone hurts me, I want them dealt with very harshly!

The problem is that no party or government has the means to make sure the recipient is guilty in every case.

And if they did, they'd give them the right of appeal to the ends of the Earth.

[Michael Hardner]

If we had real conservatives around here, they'd be championing a private sector solution to the punishment problem !

 

Why is the state getting involved in my quibbles with my neighbour ?  What kind of bureaucrat wants to take away my private property (my machete) that I use to settle these manners ?

Hangmen cost taxpayer dollars - get the government out of my space and let me handle my neighbour's blaring MC Hammer music on my own terms, in my own time with my own bazooka !

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

It would be killing the guilty to honor the dignity of the innocent.

Allahu Akbar.

[Argus]

4 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

I'd say yes, but it has to be clear 100% that the condemned has done its odious crimes.

I agree, but how often does that happen? The quality of our judges is low. The judicial system is ridiculously overburdened with red tape and bureaucracy, and 'justice' is a concept rather than an ideal to be lived up to. I don't trust our system to ensure that only the guilty are convicted.

[QuebecOverCanada]

Just now, Argus said:

I agree, but how often does that happen? The quality of our judges is low. The judicial system is ridiculously overburdened with red tape and bureaucracy, and 'justice' is a concept rather than an ideal to be lived up to. I don't trust our system to ensure that only the guilty are convicted.

I agree with you. Practically, it's not possible.

But morally, I don't think it's bad to kill someone in certain circumstances. Very rare ones.

[OftenWrong]

On 11/22/2019 at 12:53 PM, Michael Hardner said:

If we had real conservatives around here, they'd be championing a private sector solution to the punishment problem !

 

Why is the state getting involved in my quibbles with my neighbour ?  What kind of bureaucrat wants to take away my private property (my machete) that I use to settle these manners ?

Hangmen cost taxpayer dollars - get the government out of my space and let me handle my neighbour's blaring MC Hammer music on my own terms, in my own time with my own bazooka !

Horseshit. I'm for an addendum to the "Zero Tolerance for Barbaric Cultural Practices Act".

[jacee]

On 11/22/2019 at 10:06 AM, ProudConservative said:

 

We could also put people on probation for minor offenses.

If some 16 year old kids do vandalism. You give them some hard labour and community service... If they refuse, they get subjected to corporal punishment with increasing levels of serverity.

Please provide evidence of the effectiveness of corporal punishment in deterring criminal activity? 

In fact, the opposite is true: children subjected to physical abuse are more likely to engage in criminal and violent behaviour as youths and adults: Physical and other abuse is the problem, not the solution. 

[Guest ProudConservative]

2 minutes ago, jacee said:

Please provide evidence of the effectiveness of corporal punishment in deterring criminal activity? 

In fact, the opposite is true: children subjected to physical abuse are more likely to engage in criminal and violent behaviour as youths and adults: Physical and other abuse is the problem, not the solution. 

I said make them do some community service, with the threat of corporal punishment... So they take their punishments seriously.

[jacee]

22 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

I said make them do some community service, with the threat of corporal punishment... So they take their punishments seriously.

Provide evidence that threat of physical punishment is a deterrent to kids who've been abused all their lives? 

Hint: You can't. Because it isn't. To abused kids, it's just life as usual, it's what they expect. It's not a deterrent: Their responses are paradoxical to what 'normies' might assume. 

Basic behavioural intervention principles: Positive reinforcement is much more effective than negative reinforcement. 

This research is 50 years old. It's mind boggling that there are still people who think violence is a valid strategy to reduce crime. It isn't. It's only a strategy that teaches them to be more deviant, more devious in evading getting caught, and also more violent.

Abused kids who become juvenile criminals need re-programming to respond to positive reinforcement, of which they've had very little. They've become hardened to punishment, so it isn't effective.

Police will tell you that a lot of  'normal' (not abused) kids might get caught once, and the negative experience will keep them on a positive track forever. But that is not the case with kids who've been abused. It's quite the opposite: It makes them more determined to 'beat the system', become more criminal, and not get caught again.

Edited November 24, 2019 by jacee

[Guest ProudConservative]

1 minute ago, jacee said:

Provide evidence that threat of physical punishment is a deterrent to kids who've been abused all their lives? 

Hint: You can't. Because it isn't. To abused kids, it's just life as usual, it's what they expect. It's not a deterrent: Their responses are paradoxical to what 'normies' might assume. 

Basic behavioural intervention principles: Positive reinforcement is much more effective than negative reinforcement. 

This research is 50 years old. It's mind boggling that there are still people who think violence is a valid strategy to reduce crime. It isn't. It's only a strategy that teaches them to be more deviant, more devious in evading getting caught, and also more violent.

Abused kids who become juvenile criminals need re-programming to respond to positive reinforcement, of which they've had very little. They've become hardened to punishment. 

Why is China taking over the world? Maybe we could learn a thing or two, about discipline from the cultures who have the most successful citizens.

 

[jacee]

2 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

Why is China taking over the world? Maybe we could learn a thing or two, about discipline from the cultures who have the most successful citizens.

 

Lotta opinionated bs. 

No evidence. 

[Guest ProudConservative]

5 minutes ago, jacee said:

Lotta opinionated bs. 

No evidence. 

Discipline works. Is this enough evidence for you?

Edited November 24, 2019 by ProudConservative

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Horseshit. I'm for an addendum to the "Zero Tolerance for Barbaric Cultural Practices Act".

Off topic though.

[jacee]

10 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

Discipline works, Is this enough evidence for you?

 

You were proposing corporal punishment of young offenders.

You are way off your own topic now. Lol

Edited November 24, 2019 by jacee

[Guest ProudConservative]

6 minutes ago, jacee said:

You were talking about corporal punishment of young offenders.

You are way off your own topic now. Lol

I'm not off topic... This is the product of a culture that believes in dicipline.

 

Edited November 24, 2019 by ProudConservative