No Vote VS Uneducated Vote

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, AsksWhy said:

But can they live with themselves when the dust settles?

It is not the state that has to live with themselves, it is the citizen that it sends to war that must live with all that war has to offer, they see it's effects every minute of everyday, the state see reports and stats maybe a few pictures...but these do not bleed, cry, or scream until the medic pumps them full of morphine... the state just has to move the chess pieces... how often did Churchill a wake in the middle of the night covered in sweat because of his decisions surrounding Gallipoli....compared to the soldier that rushed the Juno beach..... not very often, is my guess.... it is the citizen that has to squeeze the trigger and live with those decisions....How many PM even lost a nights sleep over our Afghanistan mission...

 

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

It is not the state that has to live with themselves, it is the citizen that it sends to war that must live with all that war has to offer, they see it's effects every minute of everyday, the state see reports and stats maybe a few pictures...but these do not bleed, cry, or scream until the medic pumps them full of morphine... the state just has to move the chess pieces... how often did Churchill a wake in the middle of the night covered in sweat because of his decisions surrounding Gallipoli....compared to the soldier that rushed the Juno beach..... not very often, is my guess.... it is the citizen that has to squeeze the trigger and live with those decisions....How many PM even lost a nights sleep over our Afghanistan mission...

Ottawa has never been involved, there is no such thing as Canadian foreign policy, it was British foreign policy, now it is American foreign policy.

Ottawa has always been totally detached from what the Canadian military was doing

Ottawa simply turns the troops over to foreign chains of command to do with them what they will

Because again,  Canadian Confederation is not a country, and other than the Northwest Rebellion of 1885, Canadians fight wars for other nations, not Canada.

Edited October 20, 2019 by Dougie93

[Argus]

6 hours ago, AsksWhy said:

@Dougie93 So lets cut to the chase then. Given that you seem to fall into the "educated" category on matters of politics.

Why on EARTH would you think that?!

Edited October 20, 2019 by Argus

[Argus]

I think the biggest danger to society is the uneducated, uninformed voter. They're easily swayed by things like names and faces and the occasional sound bite they've caught on the radio. They know little or nothing about the complexities of the issues.

When you see the three main parties basically waving fistfuls of dollars around and promising the world for votes, you know they're appealing to the ignorant voter.

We would be better off with far fewer voters if they were informed and thoughtful.

Edited October 20, 2019 by Argus

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, AsksWhy said:

@Dougie93 So lets cut to the chase then. Given that you seem to fall into the "educated" category on matters of politics. How do you feel about people who don't vote vs those uneducated people who do?

I don't think education matters, just look at all the issues that have faced the liberal government , all the lies, how they failed to handle it correctly, more lies, and then scandal after scandal....all covered in the media the best they could, now with all that being said one would have to question why has Justin still have support, why is he in the lead in the polls...it's not because of the lack of education.....the media seen to that....then what is it poor morals and values....I mean we don't except that behavior from employees, family or friends, and yet some how it is acceptable behavior from the leader of our nation... or maybe the majority just does not give a F****, can't be bothered, don't care, hockey season has started.....Those days of our nations leaders looking after what is best for the nation are long gone....today it is all about what can they offer me...show me the money, the voters scream.... thats what controls the vote …..how many bill's did the liberals spend just before the election, and how many bils are they planning to spend over the next 4 years and what did we get for all that money....  

[Dougie93]

The vast majority of Canadians are over educated. 

They all go to teachers union indoctrination camp for twelve years, and then most go to college professor indoctrination camp for another four.

Canadians are educated up the ying yang, and it basically just turns them into helpless babies who expect the government to run their lives for them.

[Argus]

6 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I don't think education matters,

I don't think, in this context, they mean 'educated' as in 'someone with a university degree' as opposed to 'someone who has taken the time to learn and understand the issues'. I've met and worked with a lot of university grads who are dumb as a bag of hockey pucks when it comes to political and economic issues facing the country, and kind of proud about paying little to no attention to politics. Like it's beneath them or something.

Edited October 20, 2019 by Argus

[Dougie93]

The Canadian public education system is just small 'c' communist reeducation camp.   It's laughable, the dogma they teach now and call it "education"

 

[BubberMiley]

19 hours ago, Shady said:

I would rather that uninformed voters didn’t vote.

Make up your mind already.

[Dougie93]

The problem is not uninformed people, the problem is that the majority of Canadians have no respect for personal liberty and autonomy from the state.

The majority of Canadians are want to rule as a mob, the tyranny of the majority, and f@ck you if you want to live free from state authoritarian overreach.

They are hysterical about a doomsday, you're not, too bad, their hysteria gets imposed on you.

They are terrified of law abiding gun owners, you're not, too bad, their paranoia gets imposed on you.

They are want to weaponize transgenders against free speech, you don't, too bad, their absurdities get imposed on you.

The Charter of Rights doesn't protect you from state authoritarian overreach, it is actually a mechanism for imposing it.

There's no rule of law, the politicians can do as they please, they never get charged nor arrested for their crimes.

The judiciary is compromised, it's a bunch of left wing activist judges who just make crazy shit up as they go, the Charter doesn't constrain them at all.

Canada is an authoritarian nanny police state run by far left kooks, and there's no way to just live free and be autonomous from their ideological agenda.

A Bill of Rights is supposed to protect an individual from the rule of such mobs, but in Canada it is the opposite, the rule of the mob is imposed.

Now the mob is becoming a crazed cult of the personality which demands that everybody cut their own throats in the name of Greta Thunberg.

Canada is f@cking Jonestown North.

Edited October 20, 2019 by Dougie93

[Moonlight Graham]

51 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The problem is not uninformed people, the problem is that the majority of Canadians have no respect for personal liberty and autonomy from the state.

This is the nature of Canada.  The US revolted against monarchy overreach in 1776.  Loyalists moved to Canada, and Canada took it up the butt and didn't obtain independence from Britain until 1982 and are still part of a monarchy.  This is why Canadians are more docile, timid, and polite, and why Americans aren't.

[Dougie93]

7 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

This is the nature of Canada.  The US revolted against monarchy overreach in 1776.  Loyalists moved to Canada, and Canada took it up the butt and didn't obtain independence from Britain until 1982 and are still part of a monarchy.  This is why Canadians are more docile, timid, and polite, and why Americans aren't.

Canadians became more American as time passed, peaking in the early sixties, JFK being the most popular President of all time in Canada.

Then in the 1970's the Cultural Marxists started to take over, and now they rule Canada.

If you had lived in the 1970's and understood how much free rein we had back then, perhaps you would notice that Canada has become a totalitarian police state now.

Trump Derangement Syndrome is no reason to throw your own liberty and autonomy from the state under the bus.

[Dougie93]

Furthermore, you're misinterpreting the nature of 19th century Victorian Canada.

Yes, they had the Missionary Impulse, yes, they were Bible Thumpers, 

But they also viewed the British Crown as being their protector from the rule of the American republican mob.

The British Crown was autonomy from the state, you didn't have to swear fealty to a mob of republicans. that was the whole point.

Now Canadians have become a mob of Americanized republicans, but they don't have the American constitution to go with it.

So it's like America, without the first, second, and fourth amendments, instead there is a Section 33 poison pill, which is the worst of both worlds.

Yes, Americans are dangerous, Americans fear ourselves too, that's why we need these protections from ourselves,.

Canadians don't get it, they think their shit don't stink, so they don't see the danger of Canadian mob rule.

It's all virtuous Canadian goody goody socialist Missionary Impulse, but the road to totalitarianism is paved there if there is no constraints.

Americans know; the state is not to be trusted with this sort of power, the state must be constrained and decentralized to stave off totalitarianism.

It's a constant struggle, freedom is constantly under threat from mobs of self righteous holier than thou do gooders

At least Americans fight the good fight for liberty, Canadians don't, Canadians are the mob of self righteous holier than thou do gooders incarnate.

Americans win battles against tyranny, we lose battles against tyranny, but we keep fighting, Canadians don't even see the problem, they embrace tyranny.

The overriding imperative in Canada is that your personal liberties be taken away in the name of socialist do gooderism. F@ck that shit.

I don't just fight for American freedom, I fight for the freedom Canadians used to have, before they sold their souls for a bag of socialist magic beans.

Edited October 20, 2019 by Dougie93

[Moonlight Graham]

7 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Canadians became more American as time passed, peaking in the early sixties, JFK being the most popular President of all time in Canada.

Then in the 1970's the Cultural Marxists started to take over, and now they rule Canada.

If you had lived in the 1970's and understood how much free rein we had back then, perhaps you would notice that Canada has become a totalitarian police state now.

Trump Derangement Syndrome is no reason to throw your own liberty and autonomy from the state under the bus.

Don't assume how old I am.  I'm not a millennial as you claimed.

The totalitarianism of the left has been infecting virtually every institution and organization, government or private.  We need to arm ourselves with facts and have the courage to speak out against it.

Edited October 21, 2019 by Moonlight Graham

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Don't assume how old I am.  I'm not a millennial as you claimed.

The totalitarianism of the left has been infecting virtually every institution and organization, government or private.  We need to arm ourselves with facts and have the courage to speak out against it.

My mistake, you post like a Millennial.

I don't find speaking out against the left has much effect in Canada where the left is totally ascendant, on the other hand I find the left to be totally impotent in America.

It really just comes down to the constitutions, in Canada the constitution enables the left, in America the constitution waylays them.

[Dougie93]

Canada suffers from the so called "Living Constitution" dogma.

Which is really just an euphemism for leftist activist judges being able to make shit up as they go with not much written into it to constrain them.

The Liberal Party of Canada wrote the Canadian Bill of Rights, to their own purposes and designs.

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

I don't find speaking out against the left has much effect in Canada where the left is totally ascendant, on the other hand I find the left to be totally impotent in America.

I don't quite agree.  Look at what happened with Jordan Peterson.  He was luckily in a safe job where the mobs couldn't oust him though.

The left isn't impotent in the US.  Look at the rise of AOC, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren etc.  This whole social justice movement of the last 5 years has largely come out of the US.

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It really just comes down to the constitutions, in Canada the constitution enables the left, in America the constitution waylays them.

It certainly has an impact.  But the US constitution can't protect conservatives from being banned from speaking at private colleges or being fired from companies like google.

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 But the US constitution can't protect conservatives from being banned from speaking at private colleges or being fired from companies like google.

As a conservative I don't want that, private companies should do as the please.

And the Bernie Bros have no power in America, totally impotent, if the Democrats run Warren they're gonna get crushed in a landslide.

[Yzermandius19]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

As a conservative I don't want that, private companies should do as the please.

Taking away the free speech rights of private companies is not the way to ensure non-private companies have freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is not a zero-sum game, if they can take it away from private companies or any other big organization, then regular people have no chance of stopping that precedent from being turned against them eventually, be careful what you wish for Moonlight.

Freedom of speech for all is more important than sticking it to big corporations that don't like freedom of speech by taking it away from them, that's bad juju.

Edited October 21, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Taking away the free speech rights of private companies is not the way to ensure non-private companies have freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is not a zero-sum game, if they can take it away from private companies, then regular people have no chance of stopping that precedent from being turned against them eventually, be careful what you wish for Moonlight.

The market will sort it out in the end, by making themselves into ideological companies, the titans of Silicon Valley are sowing the seeds of their own creative destruction

[Yzermandius19]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The market will sort it out in the end, by making themselves into ideological companies, the titans of Silicon Valley are sowing the seeds of their own creative destruction

All it will take is competition that isn't out to alienate anyone who isn't on the far left, that only cares about money, to come along with a product or service of similar or superior quality, at a similar or cheaper price than the far-left ideologue companies, and the house of cards will collapse.

The market is the way to deal with this issue, not government intervention.

To quote Michael Jordan:
"Republicans buy sneakers too."

Edited October 21, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

All it will take is competition that isn't out to alienate anyone who isn't on the far left, that only cares about money, to come along with a product or service of similar or superior quality, at similar or cheaper price, and the house of cards will collapse. The market is the way to deal with this issue, not government intervention.

To quote Michael Jordan:
"Republicans buy sneakers too."

Indeed, the FANG are ceasing to be rational actors and succumbing to the new leftist religion, this does not bode well in terms of prudent management.

[Dougie93]

It's like the other day Facebook removed a Toronto Sun article about Justin Trudeau because they deemed it to be hate speech.

So that tells you where Facebook is at, they have no clue what they're doing anymore, may take some time, but that's a fatal flaw in the mechanism.

Edited October 21, 2019 by Dougie93

[Moonlight Graham]

19 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

As a conservative I don't want that, private companies should do as the please.

That's fine, but my point is the left has been firing employees for all sorts of non-progressive friendly opinions.  So the left isn't impotent at all.  They also continue to influence the Democratic Party obviously, and the media etc.

[Dougie93]

7 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

That's fine, but my point is the left has been firing employees for all sorts of non-progressive friendly opinions.  So the left isn't impotent at all.  They also continue to influence the Democratic Party obviously, and the media etc.

The left is impotent in government, that's all I care about, private it private, private interests which jump on board with the left as it is now, are doing themselves harm, more power to them.

Bill Clinton had to make himself into a de facto Republican to get reelected, Obama got jack shit done,  I don't fear the impotent Democrats, bring it on.

Anybody who thinks Liz Warren could get any of her commie crap enacted, is delusional, she would have to sell her base out, and then they would blame her for it

Just like they blame Bill Clinton now for Triangulation.

The left is basically the Antifa Party now, the snake is eating its own tail.

Edited October 21, 2019 by Dougie93