This Isn't About Racism. Really.

[betsy]

A lot of folks are missing the whole point in this latest Justin Trudeau  blackface controversy.  It isn't about racism.

 

  This is about  character .   The character of Justin Trudeau.

Defined along this context (from Merriam):

- the complex of mental and ethical traits marking and often individualizing a person, group, or nation (the character of the American people)

- moral excellence and firmness (a man of sound character)

 

The SNC-Lavalin scandal had shown us that he can indeed lie. He has no problem with that.
This latest blackface scandal had clearly shown, he's good at it.

This isn't a learned trait from being a politician. But, having been raised in politics - the art of lying, must've come with it.
Having the skill at drama and acting (after all, he was a drama teacher), only makes that art of lying even more compelling and believable.


It's been proven!  He's a liar. He consciously lied. We have so many proofs!
Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice, shame on me!
Fool me THRICE............ what? We're the ones proven morons? We deserve what we get?

Why should we believe and settle for a proven liar? How can one even believe anything that he promise?

Lol. It's not even like we have an efficient leader at the helm! Look at all the fiascos he'd made one after another!
From that India trip (surprising he didn't put on a brown make-up to go with that costume and dancing), to buying a used pipeline for billons of dollars.......... that we could've gotten for free!
Not to mention, becoming an international HYPOCRITICALLY sanctimonious embarrassment...... of a huge calibre!

Is this liar worth it?

If you're so cynical to believe all politicians are liars anyway - well, I do suggest then - let's try another liar!
Another liar, who may at least do something good for this nation.

 

Edited September 21, 2019 by betsy

[betsy]

Are there more?   Yes, or no?

 

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau apologized again on Thursday for wearing blackface in three separate incidents and said he did not know how many times he had put on racist makeup.

Justin Trudeau says he does not know how many times he's worn blackface in his life - CNN

 

That means.....there could be more!



How can he not remember how many times he parodied black people?
Because he did it so many times - he'd lost count!

 

 

Okay, seriously - I don't think anyone had asked him, why?

I want to know why he'd painted himself black - THREE TIMES (that we know of).
Why is there this seeming pattern to enjoy parodying black people?

Lol - just to go through the lengthy process of applying make-up to any visible spots - not to mention the time involved to remove it - why do it three times?

For laughs?

What is "funny" about being black?

[betsy]

Liberal-friendly media, are doing their own damage control!  They're putting a spin on why Trudeau says he doesn't recall how many times.  They say, it's  normal for political parties to try to cover their butts if they're unsure of any other photos that may or may not come out.

In other words, Trudeau cannot confidently say that those were the only times he made racist parodies.  That's the shallow explanation by the media.

   

Here's the most believable - the logical one:

 

He volunteered his high school blackface during his first apology - when he was asked if there were more. He should've come out clean and volunteered that latest photo. I suppose he cannot volunteer them all!


Lol, think about it:   what would be the reaction if he'd admitted to have mocked black people more than three times?

Lol, he won't simply be called a racist. He'd be labelled a.........

..........SUPREMACIST!

 

 

 

 

Edited September 21, 2019 by betsy

[betsy]

  Visible minorities.........please  pay attention.

Just contemplate on this loaded statement.

 

 

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau apologized again on Thursday for wearing blackface in three separate incidents and said he did not know how many times he had put on racist makeup.

Justin Trudeau says he does not know how many times he's worn blackface in his life - CNN

 

The fact that Trudeau cannot be confident enough to say that there were only those three times means,  the Liberal Party isn't sure if there would be more photos or videos, or tape recordings that could come out! What it means though is, those were not the only times he did something racist!

Heck, who knows - maybe he dressed up like a Chinese/Japanese (complete with slanted eyes), or had parodied talking like a Pakistani or an Indian!

If you're confident those three were the only times - and you're confident that no way anyone could produce anything authentic besides those three that we know of - then, you would have said so!

The fact that Trudeau is trying to "cover his butt" by saying "I don't know how many times....." means, he did it more than those three times!




Just because a politician is making policies that seem to be visible minority-friendly, doesn't mean a politician
isn't racist. It could very well mean......

..........having the power (as an MP, or as a PM)......... is simply the goal!

After all, politicians are known to lie......... just to get votes!

 

 

Don't listen to the comment by visible minority Liberal Party caucus - giving excuses for Justin Trudeau.
They are politicians, too! Under the LIBERAL banner!

What do you expect them to say?

Edited September 21, 2019 by betsy

[betsy]

But.....we do know that under Justin Trudeau, these visible minority Liberal MPs only serve as.........PROPS!

[dialamah]

When I was a kid, my mom put me in blackface for a 4-H costume competition; I was a jockey for Archie Bunker stables.  Her intent wasn't to mock Black people, but to poke fun at an archetype represented by Archie Bunker.  Putting on a costume is not invariably an attempt or desire to mock or insult someone, sometimes it's just a costume.

I think by age 29, in the early 2000s, Trudeau ought to have known better and he showed poor judgement, but I do not believe it was malicious.

The earlier examples, both from high school I believe, are entirely irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.  

And, while I do believe Trudeau has lied about stuff, I don't think he lied about this.  People's memories are not perfect.  I think Trudeau only actually remembered one other occasion and disclosed it.  Not remembering the other (or others, if they exist) is not the same as lying.  

Also, given your absolute and unshakable support for Trump, despite his many lies, your criticism of JT here seems remarkably hypocritical.

 

[Shady]

Black face is no longer racist?  Well, somebody owes the governor of Virginia a big apology!  He went through several weeks of shit because of it.  As have others.  But, just as his massive ethics violations.  Justin gets another pass from his sycophantic supporters.  Whom over time, resemble more and more just like Trump supporters.

[OftenWrong]

The PM will never shake this image and will always be a political pariah, both within Canada and on the world stage. He must resign, but refuses to accept this. The best outcome for Canadians is that he lose this election, and thereafter has no choice but to quit politics entirely. Only by this outcome can Canadians redeem themselves.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 hours ago, dialamah said:

When I was a kid, my mom put me in blackface for a 4-H costume competition; I was a jockey for Archie Bunker stables.  Her intent wasn't to mock Black people, but to poke fun at an archetype represented by Archie Bunker.  Putting on a costume is not invariably an attempt or desire to mock or insult someone, sometimes it's just a costume.

 

Sorry, but it was racist then...and it is racist now.  Archie Bunker is no excuse.

[dialamah]

6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Sorry, but it was racist then...and it is racist now.  Archie Bunker is no excuse.

Ok, are you calling my mother racist?  I wouldn't disagree, she was certainly a product of her time, as we all are. 

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Ok, are you calling my mother racist?  I wouldn't disagree, she was certainly a product of her time, as we all are. 

 

I am calling brownface/blackface of any kind inherently racist...by definition.    Hell, the Canadian term "visible minority" is inherently racist as well, because it separates and defines others in terms of "whiteness" as the presumed "majority".

Also, American cultural and social media product does not excuse such actions in Canada (i.e. All in the Family).

[eyeball]

I don't vote for proven liars no matter what,  as far as I'm concerned political parties that lie should be fined and denied taxpayer subsidies for campaigning. In addition individual politicians who lie should be sent to prison.

As for this particular assholes character that was painfully obvious the 2nd day after the last election when Trudeau failed to cancel the LAV deal with Saudis Arabia. Something that I strongly suspect would have caused conservatives to scream bloody murder over.

As for the character of conservatives that was made very apparent when they established the DPA's that got the Liberals in such hot water in the first place.  If i didn't know better I'd say Conservatives left DPA's as a trap for the Liberals but of course there's never been a conservative who didn't approve of tilting a playing field towards the rich and powerful.  No better or worse than a Liberal. 

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, betsy said:

A lot of folks are missing The SNC-Lavalin scandal had shown us that he can indeed lie. He has no problem with that. 

This latest blackface scandal had clearly shown, he's good at it.

Actually he really sucks at it.

So how come everytime I've complained about politicans who lie the right wing response has been laughing rolley-eyed emotions and references to leftish political naivete?

Now look at conservatives, crying like a bunch of hard-done by naive snowflakes.

[betsy]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Now look at conservatives, crying like a bunch of hard-done by naive snowflakes.

Say that to visible minorities.

 

Edited September 22, 2019 by betsy

[betsy]

Good for Jagmeet Singh for putting a condition on Trudeau's request for a meeting.  

Jagmeet certainly wouldn't want to be used as another prop by Trudeau.

[betsy]

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

When I was a kid, my mom put me in blackface for a 4-H costume competition;

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

When I was a kid, my mom put me in blackface for a 4-H costume competition; I was a jockey for Archie Bunker stables.  Her intent wasn't to mock Black people, but to poke fun at an archetype represented by Archie Bunker.  Putting on a costume is not invariably an attempt or desire to mock or insult someone, sometimes it's just a costume.

I think by age 29, in the early 2000s, Trudeau ought to have known better and he showed poor judgement, but I do not believe it was malicious.

The earlier examples, both from high school I believe, are entirely irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.  

And, while I do believe Trudeau has lied about stuff, I don't think he lied about this.  People's memories are not perfect.  I think Trudeau only actually remembered one other occasion and disclosed it.  Not remembering the other (or others, if they exist) is not the same as lying.  

Also, given your absolute and unshakable support for Trump, despite his many lies, your criticism of JT here seems remarkably hypocritical.

 

 

How many times have your mother gave you a black face?   Three times, at least?

As usual.....you're missing the point.

 

Btw, I support Trump for a reason of my own.    This thread is not about Trump - so, stick to the issue.

Edited September 22, 2019 by betsy

[betsy]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

Ok, are you calling my mother racist?  I wouldn't disagree, she was certainly a product of her time, as we all are. 

If your mother made you up as black NUMEROUS times (the same way Trudeau did) - I'd say your mother isn't only racist!

She must be a SUPREMACIST!

Edited September 22, 2019 by betsy

[betsy]

6 hours ago, dialamah said:

When I was a kid, my mom put me in blackface for a 4-H costume competition; I was a jockey for Archie Bunker stables.  Her intent wasn't to mock Black people, but to poke fun at an archetype represented by Archie Bunker.

 

Eh?   Spare me your convoluted ramblings.

Archetype or not - a black person is black!  Whether they like it or not.........

black is their "archetypical" color!

 

Archie Bunker my foot -- your mom was poking fun at black people!

Edited September 22, 2019 by betsy

[eyeball]

30 minutes ago, betsy said:

Say that to visible minorities.

You mean poor hard done by white men? 

[betsy]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You mean poor hard done by white men? 

This isn't about  "hard-done by white men."  You seem desperate to change the channel.

Stick to the topic, please.

Edited September 22, 2019 by betsy

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, betsy said:

You seem desperate to change the channel.

Stick to the topic, please.

Answer my question then, why is it that when people complain about conservative politicians who lie the right wing response is laughing rolley-eyed emoticons and references to leftish political naivete?

Its what politicians do, you said so yourself. So where do you get off whining about lying politicians now? You hit the nail on the head alright, this is about character your's included.

[betsy]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Answer my question then, why is it that when people complain about conservative politicians who lie the right wing response is laughing rolley-eyed emoticons and references to leftish political naivete?

Its what politicians do, you said so yourself. So where do you get off whining about lying politicians now? You hit the nail on the head alright, this is about character your's included.

  You want an answer?   Create your own thread with that question, then.

 

Yes, this issue is about character.  Read the OP again.

This is about  character .   The character of Justin Trudeau.

 

Not about me.  I'm not the PM, nor am I running for that office.  

Stick to the topic, please.

Edited September 22, 2019 by betsy

[Shady]

14 hours ago, dialamah said:

Ok, are you calling my mother racist?  I wouldn't disagree, she was certainly a product of her time, as we all are. 

Totally.  And we must give Justin a pass for being a product of *checks notes* 2001.

[Shady]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

Answer my question then, why is it that when people complain about conservative politicians who lie the right wing response is laughing rolley-eyed emoticons and references to leftish political naivete?

Its what politicians do, you said so yourself. So where do you get off whining about lying politicians now? You hit the nail on the head alright, this is about character your's included.

Stop making excuses for bad behaviour.

[Axel Faulkner]

It seems lefties always need to go after the personal attacks when the truth about their so called leaders are inexplicably proven to be corrupt, unethical and hypocritical behavior. It seems the only thing they know how to do is make personal attacks, deflect and justify the personal attacks. The bottom line is that Trudeau has no character, hes corrupt , hes unethical, he is the quintessential hypocrite and hes not very bright, not to mention hes a narcissistic pig with no idea how people think or feel. Trudeau has never had to work a day in his life and hes a spoiled little brat who is only showing the world and our impressionable youth that corruption, lack of ethics and hypocrisy are traits we should get away with when they can be justified according to our narrative. Trudeau must what little honor or integrity he must have in that black heart of his resign to do the right thing.

Edited September 22, 2019 by Axel Faulkner
needed a comma