taxme Posted July 1, 2019 Report Posted July 1, 2019 On 6/26/2019 at 6:29 AM, jacee said: Canadians are doing pretty well for jobs these days, like back to the heydays of the '70's! The word "refugees" sounds better to the guilt ridden, bleeding heart white liberal/socialists. The word is used to try and get Canadians to feel sorry for them. Those illegal criminal refugees that entered Canada illegally all should not be allowed to stay in Canada. They have already committed a crime against our immigration act and are all just a bunch of criminals. My opinion. Quote
dialamah Posted July 1, 2019 Report Posted July 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, Argus said: You're welcome to leave any time. Canada suits me, because of its compassion towards people undergoing hardships in other lands. You are the one who despises such compassion. There are places where your hatred would be welcome and where I am sure you'd be much more content. Any banana republic, countries steeped in corruption where the wealthy take all. 22 minutes ago, Argus said: The money I pay in taxes should go to helping improve Canada and helping Canadians, Bullshit. You'd take away the right of poor people to vote, if you could. 1 hour ago, Argus said: And it's pretty easy to be 'compassionate' with other people's money. I pay taxes too; it's just as much my money as yours. Quote
taxme Posted July 1, 2019 Report Posted July 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, dialamah said: Canada suits me, because of its compassion towards people undergoing hardships in other lands. You are the one who despises such compassion. There are places where your hatred would be welcome and where I am sure you'd be much more content. Any banana republic, countries steeped in corruption where the wealthy take all. Bullshit. You'd take away the right of poor people to vote, if you could. I pay taxes too; it's just as much my money as yours. I pay taxes too. Why don't people like you pay for those refugees out of your own pocket and leave my taxes alone? I will bet that you would not take one of those refugees into your home to feed, house and clothe them for a year or so, now would you? You have to be a socialist because socialists believe that it is okay to take other people's money and go give it away to anyone. Most poor people are clueless when it comes to politics and voting. Tell them that they will get something for free from some politician and they will vote for that person. Money does not grow on trees despite what just about every politician will try and tell you. Politicians use our tax dollars to have fun with and to dispose of on their pet peeve projects which in most cases no one ever asked for nor will need. Politicians do enjoy handing over plenty of tax dollars to minority special interest groups and refugees. Quote
eyeball Posted July 1, 2019 Report Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, dialamah said: Even if the economic stuff you post were 100% accurate and the competing narratives 100% inaccurate, in what world should money come before compassion and basic humanitarian actions? Certainly no world I would want to live in. That said I can't help but feel a certain satisfaction from forcing the sort of compassionate humane world you mention on people who usually puke at the thought. To rub it in even further I'd also add a heaping helping of virtue and justice on the side. I hope we double our intake of refugees this year. Edited July 1, 2019 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted July 2, 2019 Author Report Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, dialamah said: Canada suits me, because of its compassion towards people undergoing hardships in other lands. You are the one who despises such compassion. There are places where your hatred would be welcome and where I am sure you'd be much more content. Any banana republic, countries steeped in corruption where the wealthy take all. There are a lot more people in this country with my beliefs than with yours. 2 hours ago, dialamah said: Bullshit. You'd take away the right of poor people to vote, if you could. No, but I'd make them contribute if they could. 2 hours ago, dialamah said: I pay taxes too; it's just as much my money as yours. I pay more in taxes every year than you'll ever make. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted July 2, 2019 Report Posted July 2, 2019 12 hours ago, Argus said: There are a lot more people in this country with my beliefs than with yours. That's why we need more immigrants. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
dialamah Posted July 2, 2019 Report Posted July 2, 2019 13 hours ago, Argus said: I pay more in taxes every year than you'll ever make. Irrelevant. Taxes are as much my money as yours, and your whining that Canada's compassion for others is paid for by "other people's money" is ridiculous. 13 hours ago, Argus said: There are a lot more people in this country with my beliefs than with yours. Wrong, as usual. This article is critical of Trudeau and (some) liberals, but also points out long-term polls showing your beliefs are shared, to some extent, by 40% of Canadians but that percentage has dropped from 60% in the 1990s, and from 50% more recently. Also from the article: "Non-white Canadians appear even more likely than most Canadians to say there are too many non-white immigrants coming to Canada. While 39.9 percent of respondents overall said there were too many “visible minorities” among Canada’s newly arriving immigrants, the percentage of “visible minority” respondents who agreed with the statement in the EKOS poll was 42.8 per cent." You'll need considerably more non-white immigration before your beliefs will become the majority. Quote
Argus Posted July 2, 2019 Author Report Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, dialamah said: Irrelevant. Taxes are as much my money as yours, and your whining that Canada's compassion for others is paid for by "other people's money" is ridiculous. No, it's simply pointing out how easy it is to be "compassionate' with other people's money. When you're not making any sacrifice or paying for the bills you're simply being generous with other people's money. Quote Wrong, as usual. This article is critical of Trudeau and (some) liberals, but also points out long-term polls showing your beliefs are shared, to some extent, by 40% of Canadians Only if you, as you always do, presume my beliefs are that there are too many non-white people coming into Canada. My concern is with the fact we're taking in so many people so fast from such wildly different cultures than ours they aren't able to assimilate properly. That is a concern shared by 68% of Canadians, who don't want to see the culture and value system of laid back, tolerant secular capitalist democracy being threatened by hordes of newcomers who don't believe in any of it. We also aren't happy about so many people coming in and living among us who aren't OF us, who we see as foreigners, and who make us feel like foreigners in our own country. 65% of Canadians believe too many immigrants are not adopting Canadian values 56% of Canadians think Canada is too welcoming to immigrants, 54% want immigration lowered, borders tightened, 48% say immigrant are changing Canada in ways they don't like. 63% of Canadians want immigration lowered 68 per cent of Canadian said minorities should be doing more to fit in with mainstream society instead of keeping their own customs and languages. 61 per cent also agreed that “too many minority groups are seeking special treatment these days”. Another 59 per cent said too many immigrants don’t adopt “Canadian values” Edited July 2, 2019 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 3, 2019 Author Report Posted July 3, 2019 The amazing thing about all these polls coming out showing Canadians' unease with immigration and refugees is that they come despite decades of pro-immigration propaganda from all the major media outlets. Every single one of them has been unstinting in their praise of immigration as a marvelous thing with no downside, and every single one has done its best to downplay or ignore the problems immigration causes. We get an endless series of happy immigrant stories, but no notice is paid to immigrant crime. No media outlet ever dares point out all the street shootings between gangs are a direct cause of immigration. No media outlet, and no politician has ever dared to question immigration. Yet we have once again a new poll released today, this time by the CBC, showing Canadians are ignoring the media and politicians and going by what they see around them. 57% of Canadians want us to accept no more refugees. None. That's a lot further than I've ever gone, and yet the pro immigrant types call me cold hearted and 'alt right'. 76% say Canada should to more to encourage skilled immigration, which is a recognition that most of the immigrants people encounter in their day to day life are very low skilled service people. 56% say accepting too many immigrants will change Canada. This is in the CBC mind you, which, naturally, has to pontificate about how wrong they are. It's easy to find 'experts' to pontificate about immigration and say what you want. Most of them are from the immigration industry and make more money with more immigration (which is never pointed out). So when are politicians going to start to take notice? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/majority-of-canadians-against-accepting-more-refugees-poll-suggests-1.5192769 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 Funny thing about vague and generic opinionator polls: They usually get the results they want. People who don't have any issues personally always assume that someone does somewhere, if the question is being asked. A woman from a small northern town (in the rural swathe of Tory blue) asked me "What about all those immigrants in burkas ...?" I asked back: "Is that a big problem for you up here?" " No." "Well it isn't a problem for us in the cities either." <crickets> lol So, Argus ... forget about your tax money: It's gone no matter what, and you can't control how it's used ... but tell me specifically how 'immigrants' are affecting your personal life? And tell me specifically how 'immigrants' affect your personal life even more ... if they are non-white? And btw, Argus, you never answered my previous question: What wave of refugees to Canada were your ancestors in? Quote
Argus Posted July 3, 2019 Author Report Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, jacee said: Funny thing about vague and generic opinionator polls: They usually get the results they want. You're suggesting the CBC, Macleans, and other largely progressive media outlets want polls which show Canadians are opposed to high immigration numbers? Quote People who don't have any issues personally always assume that someone does somewhere, if the question is being asked. A woman from a small northern town (in the rural swathe of Tory blue) asked me "What about all those immigrants in burkas ...?" I asked back: "Is that a big problem for you up here?" " No." "Well it isn't a problem for us in the cities either." Lets leave aside your arrogance in pretending to speak on behalf of people in cities. I live in a city and you sure as hell don't speak for me. This sound remarkably like what Jonathan Haidt was speaking about in his discussion with Nick Clegg. He said that for globalists, their attachment to the national psyche was so weak, their understanding of nationalism and patriotism so confused, they didn't understand in New York why the people in Wyoming or Texas or Maine were so outraged over 911. After all, it only happened to THEM. But NYC is part of a nation. The people in that nation care about what happens to it. The people in the NATION of Canada care about their major cities becoming flooded with foreigners who don't think, act, or believe in the same things as they do. They're afraid, as the most recent poll pointed out, that too many immigrants will change Canada in ways they don't like. And they live here, not just in the place they're sitting, but in the whole country. They care about the welfare, both economic and social, of their entire country. And they don't want to feel like strangers in their own country, ruled by people with values and beliefs which come from somewhere else and are foreign to us. Significant numbers of MPs are already foreigner born, and that number seems certain to rise. They vote for their own, after all, while Canadians have been taught not to do so because that's 'racist'. People like you no doubt wonder why those living in Ontario, especially in cities, would be at all concerned with the economic problems of the oil patch and the workers there because you feel no particular affinity for them. But WE do. You're a bleeding heart progressive who sneers at Canadian history and traditions and accomplishments, but WE don't. So while you could care less about Canada's traditions and values being washed away on a sea of foreign immigration WE care deeply. Quote And btw, Argus, you never answered my previous question: What wave of refugees to Canada were your ancestors in? My ancestors were British. They moved here when Canada was British territory. And they got nothing when they arrived. .No welfare, unemployment or public housing. Work or die was the maxim back then. Edited July 3, 2019 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) On 7/3/2019 at 11:59 AM, Argus said: Lets leave aside your arrogance in pretending to speak on behalf of people in cities. I live in a city and you sure as hell don't speak for me.[/quote] So how do women in burkas (which I seldom see in my city) bother you? What specifically affects you so much? Quote My ancestors were British. They moved here when Canada was British territory. And they got nothing when they arrived. .No welfare, unemployment or public housing. Work or die was the maxim back then.[/quote] What? No free land? Edited July 5, 2019 by jacee 1 Quote
Argus Posted July 5, 2019 Author Report Posted July 5, 2019 9 hours ago, jacee said: What? No free land? Nope. And how much was that land actually worth back when it was being given away? What do you imagine land in the middle of nowhere that you had to clear yourself by hand cost? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Rue Posted July 6, 2019 Report Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) I will say it again, legit refugees and immigrants are not the issue. Bad laws that encourage people to break them and push ahead of legit imms and refugees are. Bad laws fuel a pretext for all kinds of agendas including Taxme's agenda of melatonin defiency pride, Marcus's Islamic extremism and Trudeau's pandering to get ethnic votes. I like people from Tonga. Never met one but their country looks nice and they sound like a fun dance . Edited July 6, 2019 by Rue Quote
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2019 Report Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Rue said: I will say it again, legit refugees and immigrants are not the issue. Point of order, as Canada today produces nothing but priggish deluded ostensibly helpless sob story cases just looking for a government handout, I for one welcome the illegitimate economic migrants, at least they are striving to better themselves, while Canadians just sit around and cry about the Americans as a rubric to excuse the pathetic state of their own failed Confederation, otherwise known as a Tu Quoque fallacy, not that Canadians are ever logically cogent mind you. I really don't care why someone is willing to put up with Canadian winter, so long as they are, let them, this country is actually a frozen shit hole most of the year, if they want to have a go, fine by me, knock yourselves out. Oh, is this person a "legitimate" refugee? Seriously, who the f**k cares? It's all the same people. Edited July 6, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
Zeitgeist Posted July 6, 2019 Report Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) Accepting legitimate refugees is honourable and something to be proud of. It involves some sacrifice from citizens. It must be supported by the population to work, which, on the most part, has been the case in Canada. If there are illegitimate refugees getting in, that’s a screening issue. Edited July 6, 2019 by Zeitgeist Quote
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2019 Report Posted July 6, 2019 Just now, Zeitgeist said: Accepting legitimate refugees is honourable and something to be proud of. "Legitimate" is just a rubric to target ethnic minorities and Jews, Canada is nothing to be proud of, it's a buffoonishly corrupt, incompetent and dysfunctional racist Apartheid state which openly concedes that it is committing genocide. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted July 6, 2019 Report Posted July 6, 2019 52 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Point of order, as Canada today produces nothing but priggish deluded ostensibly helpless sob story cases just looking for a government handout, I for one welcome the illegitimate economic migrants, at least they are striving to better themselves, while Canadians just sit around and cry about the Americans as a rubric to excuse the pathetic state of their own failed Confederation, otherwise known as a Tu Quoque fallacy, not that Canadians are ever logically cogent mind you. I really don't care why someone is willing to put up with Canadian winter, so long as they are, let them, this country is actually a frozen shit hole most of the year, if they want to have a go, fine by me, knock yourselves out. Oh, is this person a "legitimate" refugee? Seriously, who the f**k cares? It's all the same people. Have you served overseas? It doesn’t take much traveling to realize how great Canada is. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted July 6, 2019 Report Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: "Legitimate" is just a rubric to target ethnic minorities and Jews, Canada is nothing to be proud of, it's a buffoonishly corrupt, incompetent and dysfunctional racist Apartheid state which openly concedes that it is committing genocide. The inquiry said genocide. The government of Canada hasn’t officially accepted that description. Trudeau has stated it as a finding of the inquiry. Edited July 6, 2019 by Zeitgeist Quote
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2019 Report Posted July 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: The inquiry said genocide. The government of Canada hasn’t officially accepted that description. Trudeau has stated it as a finding of the inquiry. Yeah, okay, whatever, lol. Quote
eyeball Posted July 6, 2019 Report Posted July 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: The inquiry said genocide. The government of Canada hasn’t officially accepted that description. Trudeau has stated it as a finding of the inquiry. The government of Canada has always had an official aversion to the term. We had to spend 4 years sanitizing our legal system before we could put our good name on the Genocide Convention. How long do you think that would take today? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2019 Report Posted July 6, 2019 14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Have you served overseas? It doesn’t take much traveling to realize how great Canada is. Well, when you serve in an operational theater, you don't really get a chance to interact with the people in any sort of meaningful way, it's like viewing the country through a periscope, and through the periscope its hard to tell who is who in the zoo, they all just become "co-belligerents",, the dead are simply "Bernies", none the less, Canada does remind me of the Balkans, Canada is also Balkanized, it's only America which prevents the civil war by propping Canada up with corporate welfare. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted July 6, 2019 Report Posted July 6, 2019 1 minute ago, eyeball said: The government of Canada has always had an official aversion to the term. We had to spend 4 years sanitizing our legal system before we could put our good name on the Genocide Convention. How long do you think that would take today? Language is important and genocide is a charged word that when broadly used can mean anything from mass murder of an entire people to preventing students from using an unofficial language at school, according to the inquiry. If that term is accepted, we essentially allow very different behaviours to be painted with the same brush. It’s misleading, with consequences that can amount to fabricated history. I’ve already heard Sir John A. be compared to Hitler for not supporting feeding and clothing of Indigenous. Quote
eyeball Posted July 6, 2019 Report Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Language is important and genocide is a charged word that when broadly used can mean anything from mass murder of an entire people to preventing students from using an unofficial language at school, according to the inquiry. According to international Convention too. Quote If that term is accepted, we essentially allow very different behaviours to be painted with the same brush. It’s misleading, with consequences that can amount to fabricated history. I think the consequences will be worse if its disallowed. I wonder why Israel and the UN haven't filed any official objections to the inquiries use? Quote I’ve already heard Sir John A. be compared to Hitler for not supporting feeding and clothing of Indigenous. That definitely sounds like something an asshole would do. Edited July 6, 2019 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2019 Report Posted July 6, 2019 Adolf Hitler invoked the conquest of the North American Indians as his model for ethnically cleansing the East, and in fact the Nazis used the same methods as John A. MacDonald, which was to encircle the target peoples and kill them by exposure and starvation. Quote
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.