eyeball Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, PIK said: Take a look at the EU elections, elites are getting tossed. Left or right, but mainly left wing. Take a look yourself Pik. Left wing parties did just fine compared to the rest in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: The right sits to the right of whoever is in power. Union bosses and party hacks in the Soviet Union sat to the right of the premier. A very small handful of people relative to the rest of the population under their thumbs. There were no actual unions in the Soviet Union, as there were no collective bargaining rights. Edited June 5, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: There were no unions in the Soviet Union. There was a right wing however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 No seat of governerment is without a right wing. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 1 minute ago, eyeball said: There was a right wing however. Yes, there was a left and right in the Soviet Union, until Stalin wiped them both out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 The report is a disgrace, and the Canadian Government should actually sue the writers of said report for defamation, call to hate and discrimination. Who lives by the sword perishes by it. The Left LOVES to use the Judiciary to their advantage. Let them taste their own medicine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Just now, eyeball said: No seat of governerment is without a right wing. Ever. Okay, but you've identified the Liberals as being the right in Canada, now tell us who the left is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: The report is a disgrace, and the Canadian Government should actually sue the writers of said report for defamation, call to hate and discrimination. Who lives by the sword perishes by it. The Left LOVES to use the Judiciary to their advantage. Let them taste their own medicine. A country cannot sue for defamation, you're free to defame the government all you like, it's constitutionally protected speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 (edited) I would submit that this all stems from when "Progressives" in Canada (which according to eyeball are the right) began to bandy about the term "Cultural Genocide" Now they've painted themselves into a corner by removing the caveat "Cultural". It's a classic overreach which has now buried the lead and become the issue rather than the issue which was at hand. It's all to the good tho, because the Dippers are already starting to pose questions in the House asking what Canada is going to do about its "genocide" When these kooks are cutting their own political throats, don't get in their way, feed them rope. Edited June 5, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Yes, there was a left and right in the Soviet Union, until Stalin wiped them both out. He wiped out anyone who challenged his power, conservatives and progressives. 32 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Okay, but you've identified the Liberals as being the right in Canada, now tell us who the left is. It would have been more accurate to say the Liberals are in power, in any case it's quite clear Trudeau is more interested in the unequal distribution of power than the equal distribution of wealth. Edited June 5, 2019 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 1 minute ago, eyeball said: It would have been more accurate to say the Liberals are in power, in any case it's quite clear Trudeau is more interested in the unequal distribution of power than the equal distribution of wealth. Okay, whatever, blah, blah, blah, you still haven't told us who the political left are in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Okay, whatever, blah, blah, blah, you still haven't told us who the political left are in Canada. According to modern conventional lingo those would be progressives. According to the original meaning of the term however, the left is anyone who is not in power or its orbit, including conservatives. Edited June 5, 2019 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Just now, eyeball said: According to modern conventional lingo those would be progressives. According to the original meaning of the term however, the left is anyone who is not in power or its orbit. I'm not in power nor its orbit, so you're telling me I am the left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: I'm not in power nor its orbit, so you're telling me I am the left? That's right. According to the original meaning of the term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Just now, eyeball said: That's right. According to the original meaning of the term. Yes, I am on the left in the national assembly of France in 1789, but all of Canada is on that left, thus you've rendered the term meaningless. Given that all of us are on the left by the terms of 1789, within that context, who is the left and right in Canada in 2019? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 I mean, others who would be on the left of the national assembly in 1789 would be the British Empire, the American Confederacy and the National Socialists. The right in France in 1789 was absolute monarchy divine right of Kings, the only people on the right by those terms now are the Arab monarchies in the Persian Gulf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Oh yeah, right, okay! This is a story from 2016. You might not remember it, from back in the dawn of time. Trudeau sternly votes against labelling what ISIS is doing genocide. Yet now he says the murder of a thousand Native women, mostly by native men, IS genocide! No politics there! Trudeau, Liberal MPs Vote Against Tory Motion Declaring ISIS Atrocities As Genocide Prime Minister Justin Trudeau rose in the House of Commons Tuesday to vote against a Conservative motion declaring that the atrocities of the so-called Islamic State constitute genocide. His decision appeared to back up what Trudeau told the House minutes earlier: that partisan politicians shouldn't determine what is or isn't genocide. The Opposition motion — tabled by interim Tory leader Rona Ambrose — won the support of New Democrats, Bloc MPs, and four Liberal backbenchers: Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, Anthony Housefather, Borys Wrzesnewskyj, and Karen Ludwig. It was defeated by the Grit majority in a vote of 166 to 139, sparking shouts of "Shame!" from some Tories. https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/06/14/trudeau-isis-liberals-tory-motion-rona-ambrose_n_10463562.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Yes, I am on the left in the national assembly of France in 1789, but all of Canada is on that left, thus you've rendered the term meaningless. The term was rendered meaningless when conservatives decided they were right wingers. Given that all of us are on the left by the terms of 1789, within that context, who is the left and right in Canada in 2019? That same as in 1789, the powerful sit in power's lap and the rest of us don't. The only division that really matters in the scheme of things is the one between the governed and the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, eyeball said: The term was rendered meaningless when conservatives decided they were right wingers. That same as in 1789, the powerful sit in power's lap and the rest of us don't. The only division that really matters in the scheme of things is the one between the governed and the government. Classically liberal limited government conservatives are well to the left of the House of Bourbon, but still well to the right of Progressives. Edited June 5, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: Classically liberal limited government conservatives are well to the left of the House of Bourbon, but still well to the right of authoritarian state interventionist progressives. In any case, the vast majority of human beings are and always have been on one side, or more accuratly below those in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Just now, eyeball said: In any case, the vast majority of human beings are and always have been on one side, or more accuratly below those in power. Whatevs, blah, blah, blah, this conversation is going nowhere, so I'll just move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Whatevs, blah, blah, blah, this conversation is going nowhere, so I'll just move on. Move where exactly, in endless circles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Move where exactly, in endless circles? Just moving on to something more interesting, it's boring going in circles with you, because all you do is evade the point and prattle on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Argus said: Oh yeah, right, okay! This is a story from 2016. You might not remember it, from back in the dawn of time. Trudeau sternly votes against labelling what ISIS is doing genocide. Yet now he says the murder of a thousand Native women, mostly by native men, IS genocide! No politics there! Trudeau, Liberal MPs Vote Against Tory Motion Declaring ISIS Atrocities As Genocide Prime Minister Justin Trudeau rose in the House of Commons Tuesday to vote against a Conservative motion declaring that the atrocities of the so-called Islamic State constitute genocide. His decision appeared to back up what Trudeau told the House minutes earlier: that partisan politicians shouldn't determine what is or isn't genocide. The Opposition motion — tabled by interim Tory leader Rona Ambrose — won the support of New Democrats, Bloc MPs, and four Liberal backbenchers: Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, Anthony Housefather, Borys Wrzesnewskyj, and Karen Ludwig. It was defeated by the Grit majority in a vote of 166 to 139, sparking shouts of "Shame!" from some Tories. https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/06/14/trudeau-isis-liberals-tory-motion-rona-ambrose_n_10463562.html The Progressives are certainly the Canada bashing terrorist huggers,, if this was America they would be annihilated. Unfortunately there is no real opposition in Canada at this juncture, and the vast majority of Canadians pay no attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 On 6/3/2019 at 12:32 PM, Argus said: Did you really think it would be anything else? Did anyone think that this hundred million dollar waste of time would challenge any of the progressive narratives or cast any shade on the natives themselves for their behaviour? Of course not! It's all the fault of those evil white people! We're committing genocide by... letting native men kill native women... Not that we're exactly letting them. Investigations into the murders of native women are just as intense as those of white women, and the solution rates are virtually identical at 88% for natives vs 89% fo white women. Oh, and by the way, native men are murdered at a much higher rate. But the inquiry wan't concerned with them. Men, even native men, are of little concern these days. So they want there to be harsher penalties for anyone who harms a native woman than one who harms a white woman or man. As if native women were some kind of special group placed on a podium to be protected above all others. How this is supposed to gel with the demand for lower sentences for natives offenders is never gone into. Are they to get longer time in front of the healing circle if the person they kill is a female native? The inquiry was only supposed to look into the violence perpetrated against native women over the last thirty years, but you knew it wouldn't confine itself to that. And you knew our craven, spineless prime minister would get on his apology stool again and accept full blame on our behalf. Instead he was quick to say the justice system has failed them - without explaining how. The inquiry report uses the word 'genocide' dozens of times, and the lead progressive in charge stated baldly "This report is about deliberate race, identity and gender-based genocide," Which, of course, is so much bullshit. I think most Canadians will hear this and shake their heads in contempt at the idea that we're committing deliberate genocide on anyone, much less native women who are being killed by their drunken, drugged up spouses and relatives. I know Scheer won't have the balls to say anything about this, but I wonder what Bernier's response will be. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-inquiry-on-missing-and-murdered-indigenous-calls-on-all-canadians-to/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-violence-against-indigenous-women-and-girls-is-not-a-relic-of-canadas/ I find it odd how reluctant Trudeau was to admit that islamic state was committing genocide but he wants to somehow equate this with genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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