Russians, Saudis, helping fund anti oilsands groups

[Argus]

The interesting thing about this is not how it seems pretty obvious, but how similar the Trudeau government has reacted to how the Trump people react to foreign interference as long as it benefits them.

With a shrug, a smile and no action. Nor is any contemplated or likely. As long as millions of foreign dollars help support the Liberals they're not any more likely to take any action than Trump and his people are.

U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation has unearthed the danger Russians pose to all democracies through their dirty tricks, lobbying efforts, hacking, and social media propaganda campaigns.

While there has never been a Mueller-like investigation in Canada, foreign incursions have shaped public policy – and anti-oil efforts – for years. In 2018, it was revealed the same Russian secret service organization that meddled in the 2016 U.S. election has been behind anti-pipeline attacks against Canada through intermediaries.

https://business.financialpost.com/diane-francis/when-foreigners-began-attacking-canadas-oil-industry-ottawa-turned-a-blind-eye-now-its-getting-worse

[egghead]

Other counties (inclu. USA) funding anti oilsands / piplines groups is not news. People knew. It was our own fault to let this happen, and blaming liberals is plain irresponsibility. 

 

p.S. I am not Trudeau's fan, and I think he is an idiot

[Shady]

4 minutes ago, egghead said:

Other counties (inclu. USA) funding anti oilsands / piplines groups is not news. People knew. It was our own fault to let this happen, and blaming liberals is plain irresponsibility. 

 

p.S. I am not Trudeau's fan, and I think he is an idiot

The USA isn't funding anti-oilsands/pipelines.  It's primarily Russia, they're also funding anti-fracking as well.  Russia's doing its best to convince everyone with oil to not use it.

[egghead]

4 minutes ago, Shady said:

The USA isn't funding anti-oilsands/pipelines.  It's primarily Russia, they're also funding anti-fracking as well.  Russia's doing its best to convince everyone with oil to not use it.

Ya, Russia is busy to push up the oil and ng price. and they must find a way to kill the shale gas which is USA's new weapon.

Sorry, I should said Oil companies in US. My bad. 

Edited May 6, 2019 by egghead

[Shady]

6 minutes ago, egghead said:

Ya, Russia is busy to push up the oil and ng price. and they must find a way to kill the shale gas which is USA's new weapon.

Sorry, I should said Oil companies in US. My bad. 

No worries.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

The interesting thing about this is not how it seems pretty obvious, but how similar the Trudeau government has reacted to how the Trump people react to foreign interference as long as it benefits them.

With a shrug, a smile and no action. Nor is any contemplated or likely. As long as millions of foreign dollars help support the Liberals they're not any more likely to take any action than Trump and his people are.

U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation has unearthed the danger Russians pose to all democracies through their dirty tricks, lobbying efforts, hacking, and social media propaganda campaigns.

While there has never been a Mueller-like investigation in Canada, foreign incursions have shaped public policy – and anti-oil efforts – for years. In 2018, it was revealed the same Russian secret service organization that meddled in the 2016 U.S. election has been behind anti-pipeline attacks against Canada through intermediaries.

https://business.financialpost.com/diane-francis/when-foreigners-began-attacking-canadas-oil-industry-ottawa-turned-a-blind-eye-now-its-getting-worse

That's why I don't like the fact that one hereditary chief can block an entire pipeline. How hard is it for the Russians, Saudis, or Americans to pay off 1 guy? 

[taxme]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

The interesting thing about this is not how it seems pretty obvious, but how similar the Trudeau government has reacted to how the Trump people react to foreign interference as long as it benefits them.

With a shrug, a smile and no action. Nor is any contemplated or likely. As long as millions of foreign dollars help support the Liberals they're not any more likely to take any action than Trump and his people are.

U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation has unearthed the danger Russians pose to all democracies through their dirty tricks, lobbying efforts, hacking, and social media propaganda campaigns.

While there has never been a Mueller-like investigation in Canada, foreign incursions have shaped public policy – and anti-oil efforts – for years. In 2018, it was revealed the same Russian secret service organization that meddled in the 2016 U.S. election has been behind anti-pipeline attacks against Canada through intermediaries.

https://business.financialpost.com/diane-francis/when-foreigners-began-attacking-canadas-oil-industry-ottawa-turned-a-blind-eye-now-its-getting-worse

China is the biggest threat to America and Canada. No one here needs to worry about Russia. It's time to now start investigating all the deals that Hitlery and the democratic party has had with Russia themselves, and maybe even China. An investigation into Hitlery would be way bigger, and show more collusion, with more truthful facts and figures to show, than with Trump. Trump has been found out to be innocent, and now it's time to go after that other evil woman where it is said that if she became the president of the US instead of Trump she would have already started a war with Russia. She is one evil witch. 

[taxme]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

The USA isn't funding anti-oilsands/pipelines.  It's primarily Russia, they're also funding anti-fracking as well.  Russia's doing its best to convince everyone with oil to not use it.

The tides foundation is funding the anti-oil sands/pipelines along with so many other environ"mental"ist wacko groups in Canada, America, and around the world. Al Gore and David Suzuki are two of the anti-oil sands pipelines projects. Thanks to all of this anti-oil shit going on and against in Canada, I now have to pay $1.65 a liter at the pumps here in BC. The oil companies are also in the game of f'n the gas consumer. And the federal and provincial governments are no help either. The higher the price of gas goes, the more taxes they can receive from those high gas prices. Canadians are getting shafted every year by the governments, and oil companies, and no one does anything about it. 

If one would like to bring down gas prices, then what one must do is try and get a boycott going against one oil company in Canada, say, Petro Canada for instance. Every Canadian get together and boycott them completely until they drop their prices. I can bet you that they will drop their prices or go belly up. I remember many years ago someone wanted to try to get a boycott going against an oil company in Canada over high gas prices back then but it did not go anywhere. Typical of Canadians. Try to do something that may be good for Canadians, and they won't back anyone up. IMHO, Canadians just do not care about anything, period. They like to sing this song which starts off like this: Kick me once, and kick me twice, and kick me once again.  

 

 

[egghead]

3 minutes ago, taxme said:

The tides foundation is funding the anti-oil sands/pipelines along with so many other environ"mental"ist wacko groups in Canada, America, and around the world. Al Gore and David Suzuki are two of the anti-oil sands pipelines projects. Thanks to all of this anti-oil shit going on and against in Canada, I now have to pay $1.65 a liter at the pumps here in BC. The oil companies are also in the game of f'n the gas consumer. And the federal and provincial governments are no help either. The higher the price of gas goes, the more taxes they can receive from those high gas prices. Canadians are getting shafted every year by the governments, and oil companies, and no one does anything about it. 

If one would like to bring down gas prices, then what one must do is try and get a boycott going against one oil company in Canada, say, Petro Canada for instance. Every Canadian get together and boycott them completely until they drop their prices. I can bet you that they will drop their prices or go belly up. I remember many years ago someone wanted to try to get a boycott going against an oil company in Canada over high gas prices back then but it did not go anywhere. Typical of Canadians. Try to do something that may be good for Canadians, and they won't back anyone up. IMHO, Canadians just do not care about anything, period. They like to sing this song which starts off like this: Kick me once, and kick me twice, and kick me once again.  

 

 

Haha, that is from the guy that said no to piplines but want to build a new refinery. He is stupid clueless. The high gas price in BC is because of the pipline. Simple supply and demand.

[taxme]

31 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's why I don't like the fact that one hereditary chief can block an entire pipeline. How hard is it for the Russians, Saudis, or Americans to pay off 1 guy? 

As I have mentioned many times already, minorities like environ"mental" wackos, and Indian chiefs are the biggest offenders who keep Canada and Canadians from ever achieving the wealth and power that is owed to them. Instead we get minorities like those two mentioned above to run and ruin Canada. In Alaska, the residents there get a check from the state government every year from oil revenues which amounts to about a couple of thousands of dollars for each Alaskan resident every year. Not a bad deal, eh? That is something that could never happen in Canada. Our governments are too bloody greedy and want all the money that they can get their grubby hands on for themselves to blow on their pet socialist programs and agendas that do nothing for Canada or Canadians. Legal and illegal refugees do okay in Canada. Just saying.  

[GostHacked]

The problem with the tar sands is that it is a net energy LOSS. We are spending to many other resources (natural gas) to extract the oil from the heated sand.  Not sure how the Russians or Saudi's can influence that.

And fracking has it's issues with documented proof that large concentration of fracking wells causes tremors in that area and also affect the ground water. Not to mention the amount of fresh water ruined with fracking chemicals that are pumped into these wells

But we can blame Russia and Saudi Arabia for this if that helps you all sleep at night. 

[taxme]

2 minutes ago, egghead said:

Haha, that is from the guy that said no to piplines but want to build a new refinery. He is stupid clueless. The high gas price in BC is because of the pipline. Simple supply and demand.

Where did I ever say that I was against pipelines? Show me this verbatim, if you can, Trudeau? HA-HA. 

[egghead]

18 minutes ago, taxme said:

Where did I ever say that I was against pipelines? Show me this verbatim, if you can, Trudeau? HA-HA. 

Not you, I mean he

“I look at the commodity price, it’s still pretty low for a barrel of crude oil, but yet if you go to the pump, you see these unreasonable costs,” Horgan said. “It’s not about governments gouging, it’s about gas companies gouging.”  

 

Edited May 6, 2019 by egghead

[taxme]

Just now, egghead said:

Not you, I mean this guy :"it’s about gas companies gouging.”" 

 

Shit happens. I stand corrected. The one thing about the English language is that many sentences written by people can be taken in another or wrong way. 

[taxme]

25 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

The problem with the tar sands is that it is a net energy LOSS. We are spending to many other resources (natural gas) to extract the oil from the heated sand.  Not sure how the Russians or Saudi's can influence that.

And fracking has it's issues with documented proof that large concentration of fracking wells causes tremors in that area and also affect the ground water. Not to mention the amount of fresh water ruined with fracking chemicals that are pumped into these wells

But we can blame Russia and Saudi Arabia for this if that helps you all sleep at night. 

Why can't we all just get along and work together, and get the bloody oil running as it should be running. Between politicians, Indians, and environmentalists, it is a wonder that anything ever gets done at all in this stupid leftist liberal socialist country. All three prefer to try and f things up rather than get things going. Like I say, minorities run and rule and pretty much are ruining and wrecking this country up big time from exercising and benefiting from it's potential wealth. Blame Canada, and stop trying to blame the rest of the world for how dumb ass Canada does things. Canada is the problem in Canada. Canada needs free enterprise people running the show, and not costly liberal socialism bull shit running and ruining the Canadian show. Hello? 

[egghead]

38 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

The problem with the tar sands is that it is a net energy LOSS. We are spending to many other resources (natural gas) to extract the oil from the heated sand.  Not sure how the Russians or Saudi's can influence that.

And fracking has it's issues with documented proof that large concentration of fracking wells causes tremors in that area and also affect the ground water. Not to mention the amount of fresh water ruined with fracking chemicals that are pumped into these wells

But we can blame Russia and Saudi Arabia for this if that helps you all sleep at night. 

Oil sand is not net energy loss. It was the production cost issue before. Before Y2K, it costed ~40usd per barrel. It is around ~17 usd per barrel now. Saudi is around 3~5 usd per barrel, and the production cost is less in Venezuela as well.

[Shady]

1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

The problem with the tar sands is that it is a net energy LOSS. We are spending to many other resources (natural gas) to extract the oil from the heated sand.  Not sure how the Russians or Saudi's can influence that.

And fracking has it's issues with documented proof that large concentration of fracking wells causes tremors in that area and also affect the ground water. Not to mention the amount of fresh water ruined with fracking chemicals that are pumped into these wells

But we can blame Russia and Saudi Arabia for this if that helps you all sleep at night. 

This post is a perfect example of how the propaganda campaign is working.  People actually believe this stuff is true.

[August1991]

16 hours ago, Argus said:

The interesting thing about this is not how it seems pretty obvious, but how similar the Trudeau government has reacted to how the Trump people react to foreign interference as long as it benefits them.

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The more confusing thing is this CO2 emission obsession - while most people/species face many other more serious local forms of pollution.

To me, controlling CO2 emissions (our 10 cent federal excise tax is good enough, maybe 20 - depending on data) are a minor issue compared to other forms of environmental degradation.

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In simple terms, we can't keep living around a lake into which everyone shits and pees - while obsessing about our farts.

Edited May 7, 2019 by August1991

[August1991]

If Suzuki, Trudeau, Obama, Gore and these many UN people, our own bureaucrats were truly serious about reducing CO2 emissions because they believed CO2 is a mortal threat, they would not be flying around the world emitting CO2.

In 1940, Churchill may have flown on an airplane but he did not deliver unopened, ready-made bombs to Nazi Germany.

 

Edited May 7, 2019 by August1991

[Michael Hardner]

31 minutes ago, August1991 said:

1. ... they would not be flying around the world emitting CO2.

2. In 1940, Churchill may have flown on an airplane but he did not deliver unopened, ready-made bombs to Nazi Germany.

 

1. Your understanding of management is lacking.  Here's an analogy I just thought of now: people who are having debt and money problems sometimes pay money - go into MORE debt - to pay for a debt counsellor to help them.  And it works.  

2. The analogy is lacking.

[GostHacked]

13 hours ago, egghead said:

Oil sand is not net energy loss. It was the production cost issue before. Before Y2K, it costed ~40usd per barrel. It is around ~17 usd per barrel now. Saudi is around 3~5 usd per barrel, and the production cost is less in Venezuela as well.

The process of extracting the oil from the tar sands means it is a net energy loss. I was not even talking to the cost of it. We are simply putting MORE energy into the tar sands compared to what we get out of it in terms of oil energy.  That's always been the case.

 

 

[GostHacked]

12 hours ago, Shady said:

This post is a perfect example of how the propaganda campaign is working.  People actually believe this stuff is true.

Prove me wrong.

[Argus]

5 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Prove me wrong.

It doesn't work that way. Prove yourself right.

[GostHacked]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

It doesn't work that way. Prove yourself right.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/more-than-90-of-larger-earthquakes-in-western-canada-triggered-by-fracking-1.3510812

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There's bad news and good news when it comes to fracking and earthquakes in Western Canada, according to new research from a paper co-authored by a Geological Survey of Canada scientist.

The new research confirms a definitive link between hydraulic fracturing and almost every large induced earthquake recorded in B.C. and Alberta's oil and gas patches since 1985.

In other words, scientists now have evidence that 90 per cent of seismic events over magnitude 3.0 that shook the region were triggered by crews fracking for oil and gas underground.

But with so many fracking wells in operation, the evidence also shows only a tiny fraction of them — less than one percent — directly triggered earthquakes.

Now, scientists say, they need to determine what factors caused 39 wells to trigger quakes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2018/07/05/fracking-induced-earthquakes-generate-anxiety-in-the-public/#8502be37fdad

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It is the disposal of this fluid, along with other waste and produced waters even from non-fracking wells, by injection into deep wells at depths well-below the fracking horizon that causes earthquakes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/21/business/energy-environment/fracking-britain-cuadrilla-resources.html

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LONDON — Last fall an energy company began a hydraulic fracturing operation in northwest England that it hoped would be a milestone in creating a new, domestic source of natural gas for Britain — in much the same way that fracking has taken hold in the United States.

Three months later, after regularly causing earthquakes, the fracking has stopped, and the company has begun pulling some equipment from the site.

I'll get the info for the other point. 

[Argus]

2 hours ago, GostHacked said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/more-than-90-of-larger-earthquakes-in-western-canada-triggered-by-fracking-1.3510812

I'll get the info for the other point. 

It was the other point I was referring to. As to fracking - which is not, afaik what the oil sands do, that sometimes causes small earthquakes, but only in certain areas.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/fracking-earthquakes-schultz-1.4492762