bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: What kind of a world do you want? A lot can change. Learn Mandarin. Then why won't you do more to change it from Canada ? Trump is not Canadian. China is having far more impact....and they already know Mandarin. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Zeitgeist Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Then why won't you do more to change it from Canada ? Trump is not Canadian. China is having far more impact....and they already know Mandarin. That’s the point of these discussions, to figure out solutions. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 Just now, Zeitgeist said: That’s the point of these discussions, to figure out solutions. Not if you are trapped in a framework that is so dependent on American policy and support from its president. What is Canada going to do about China ? ...besides continuing to play the victim ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
egghead Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: However, if countries, particularly China, dump the US debt that they hold and the greenback collapses, the US could fast become a wholly owned subsidiary of China, already becoming the case for US manufacturing. The advantage the US has as a hedge against inflation is that commodities are priced in US dollars, but countries with stronger currencies will outspend the US. That’s the downside of China letting the Yuan rise, which will happen as China develops its domestic market and becomes less dependent on exports. The US’s accumulation of debt exacerbates this problem. Zeitgeist, you shall readless the "The People's Daily" and spend more time to understand the whole US debt story. China cannot dump the US debt. Edited April 2, 2019 by egghead Quote
Zeitgeist Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 1 hour ago, egghead said: Zeitgeist, you shall readless the "The People's Daily" and spend more time to understand the whole US debt story. China cannot dump the US debt. Not as long as it’s dependent on exporting to the US, but soon China’s middle class will be the world’s biggest. Quote
Argus Posted April 2, 2019 Author Report Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Only in the eyes of despots. With freedom loving people it’s the complete opposite. Is it? Canada's reputation around the world has definitely fallen since Mr. "Canada's back!" took over. Whether it's China, India, Russia, the United States, Japan, Australia, Saudi Arabia or the Netherlands, this government has screwed up our international relations to the point thugs like China and Saudi Arabia think nothing of bullying us, and our erstwhile allies shrug. Can you name me any country around the world that has more respect for us now than before Trudeau got elected? Edited April 2, 2019 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 2, 2019 Author Report Posted April 2, 2019 14 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Canada will learn how to get along with China...or it will be left behind. The world is not going to reject China just because Canada has problems. We don't need China. As long as China is largely closed to imports other than raw materials - and is ready and willing to blackmail exporters it's value as a trade partner is minimal. Fighting the frantic Americans and desperate Europeans for a tiny slice of what the Chinese deign to allow in is worth far less than looking for partners among the likes of India, Japan and Taiwan. Unfortunately, that idiot Trudeau has screwed up our relationships with at least two of the three, and is too much of a suckup to China to ever go near the third. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 2, 2019 Author Report Posted April 2, 2019 14 hours ago, Owly said: And of course if we can get our oil to tidewater and ship it to China we can get a real price for it instead of giving it to the states. The Left, unfortunately, is fighting tooth and nail against that. And I'd rather ship it to Japan and Taiwan. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 2, 2019 Author Report Posted April 2, 2019 14 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Then suffer for it....ideals don't pay the bills. The U.S. that you criticize for guns, poverty, capital punishment, income inequality, racism, whatever is Canada's economic lifeblood, so why hold China to a different standard ? Check your scruples at the door...or stay out. How many concentration camps does the U.S. have? Is it imposing a draconian monitoring and 'social credit' system? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 2, 2019 Author Report Posted April 2, 2019 12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: That’s the point of these discussions, to figure out solutions. The only solution to China is to trade with someone else. People keep talking about its huge market, but that market is 95% closed, so no, it's not so huge. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 2, 2019 Author Report Posted April 2, 2019 11 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Not as long as it’s dependent on exporting to the US, but soon China’s middle class will be the world’s biggest. And most powerless. And most controlled. And with the least amount of knowledge about what is going on in their country. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Owly Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Argus said: The Left, unfortunately, is fighting tooth and nail against that. And I'd rather ship it to Japan and Taiwan. i'm sure you would label Trudeau a "leftie" and oh but guess what, he is fighting tooth and nail for it. And once you get it to tidewater you can ship the oil to whoever wants to pay the best price. Quote
Argus Posted April 2, 2019 Author Report Posted April 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Owly said: i'm sure you would label Trudeau a "leftie" and oh but guess what, he is fighting tooth and nail for it. And once you get it to tidewater you can ship the oil to whoever wants to pay the best price. Trudeau is doing crap about it. Fighting tooth and nail? What kind of a fantasy world do you live in? Trudeau could have ordered this to proceed at any time by simply exerting federal responsibility over inter-provincial trade. Instead he keeps bringing in more and more restrictive legislation which the courts use to block further resource development. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Owly Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Argus said: Trudeau is doing crap about it. Fighting tooth and nail? What kind of a fantasy world do you live in? Trudeau could have ordered this to proceed at any time by simply exerting federal responsibility over inter-provincial trade. Instead he keeps bringing in more and more restrictive legislation which the courts use to block further resource development. Sorry but not even Trudeau can over rule federal courts. It's how our system works. Quote
Shady Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 22 minutes ago, Owly said: Sorry but not even Trudeau can over rule federal courts. It's how our system works. Which ruling are you referring to? Quote
Owly Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Truth Detector said: Which ruling are you referring to? The ruling of the Federal Court of Appeal regarding the NEB's flawed assessment of the Trans Mountain pipeline impact. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 32 minutes ago, Owly said: Sorry but not even Trudeau can over rule federal courts. It's how our system works. The courts merely ensure law is followed. The parliament creates laws. The government could simply change the approval process for pipelines. Governments do it all the time. The problem is that Trudeau was born into money like many of his MP’s and doesn’t directly feel the economic impacts of much policy. Quote
Owly Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: The courts merely ensure law is followed. The parliament creates laws. The government could simply change the approval process for pipelines. Governments do it all the time. The problem is that Trudeau was born into money like many of his MP’s and doesn’t directly feel the economic impacts of much policy. Which is why the government is working on coming up with an acceptable proposal that will follow the current laws. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Owly said: The ruling of the Federal Court of Appeal regarding the NEB's flawed assessment of the Trans Mountain pipeline impact. Right so the Conservatives can revamp the NEB and strip away onerous consultations and environmental assessments. Some amount of consultation and EA is necessary, but what we have now is probably crippling. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Argus said: Is it? Canada's reputation around the world has definitely fallen since Mr. "Canada's back!" took over. Whether it's China, India, Russia, the United States, Japan, Australia, Saudi Arabia or the Netherlands, this government has screwed up our international relations to the point thugs like China and Saudi Arabia think nothing of bullying us, and our erstwhile allies shrug. Can you name me any country around the world that has more respect for us now than before Trudeau got elected? The problem is that world politics have shifted right, even fascistic. Canada is a rare and precious hold out of liberal democracy. I’m aware of how self-righteous that all sounds, and Trudeau is being publicly flayed for hypocrisy, but freedom is one of those things you don’t fully recognize until it isn’t there. Travel to some of those countries and you’ll see what I mean. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 Trudeau...the guardian of freedom...right. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Zeitgeist Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Trudeau...the guardian of freedom...right. No, Trudeau is the guarantor of the sort of over the top political correctness that accuses people like Joe Biden of sexual harassment for being huggy. Now Trudeau’s own PC lynch mob has turned on him. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: No, Trudeau is the guarantor of the sort of over the top political correctness that accuses people like Joe Biden of sexual harassment for being huggy. Now Trudeau’s own PC lynch mob has turned on him. Joe Biden huggy? Try creepy and touch my kid again, Joe, I'll knock your teeth out. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Owly Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 35 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Right so the Conservatives can revamp the NEB and strip away onerous consultations and environmental assessments. Some amount of consultation and EA is necessary, but what we have now is probably crippling. It would be good to have the system tweaked to where it is still valid but doesn't take so damn long to bring forth its findings. Time is money in most businesses as far as I know. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2019 Report Posted April 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Argus said: How many concentration camps does the U.S. have? Is it imposing a draconian monitoring and 'social credit' system? The U.S. has more than 2,000,000 incarcerated prisoners...far more than China....but Canada doesn't mind that at all, right ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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