Argus Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, jacee said: Speaking of white supremacists ... they were not made welcome in Toronto last Saturday! https://globalnews.ca/news/5088477/far-right-rally-planned-saturday-toronto/ “I strongly condemn the ideology & tactics of white supremacists planning to demonstrate & disrupt today in our city,” [Mayor] Tory said. “There is no place for them in our Toronto.” ... Pegida, a far-right, anti-Islam group, held a rally near University Avenue and Dundas Street on Saturday afternoon. Around 30 Pegida protesters showed up, [and] around 250 counter-protesters, PEGIDA tried to march, counter-protesters sat down and stopped them, police managed to escort the PEGIDA pigs away via a subway entrance. Bye bye creeps! I am pleased to Toronto handle this the way it should: No 'parade' permit for PEGIDA, and no police escort for their march, as it should be. There's no evidence PEGIDA is a white supremacist or racist group. They are anti-Islam, but that is far, far from making them a white supremacist group. This is why people like you, and that idiot Tory can't be trusted with our freedom, because you'll stretch terms as far as you can to embrace anyone with opinions you don't like. Anyone sane is anti-Islam. Edited March 26, 2019 by Argus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Realitycheck said: Perhaps you need to read history without the rose-coloured glasses? Hitler was a catholic and was completely supported by the RCC. The church even had it's own death camps where, among other victims, priests who had the temerity to stand up to the church were sent and killed. That's total crap, you know. Believe it or not not everything on the internet is real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Realitycheck said: Still have you head in the sand eh? Denying fact and history does not leave you with much in the way of credibility. What has your argument got to do with either fact or history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 To get back on topic. People who do not like Islam - largely because of what they've read or discovered about its tenets and values, as well as the endless amount of Islamic terrorism, or not white supremacists or racists or hateful. They are thoughtful, intelligent people who have judged Islam for what it is, and do not want it growing in Canada. That's an entirely sensible position to take. Equating them with white supremacists and terrorism is nonsensical. And it's even more hypocritical when they same people doing it are always frantic to claim there is NO relationship between Islamic terrorism and Islam, and that no Muslim can be blamed for the actions of a few.... tens of thousands of terrorists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, Argus said: There's no evidence PEGIDA is a white supremacist or racist group. They are anti-Islam, but that is far, far from making them a white supremacist group. This is why people like you, and that idiot Tory can't be trusted with our freedom, because you'll stretch terms as far as you can to embrace anyone with opinions you don't like. Anyone sane is anti-Islam. pegida: a German founded, far right, anti Muslim, white nationalist movement, founded by a guy who was temporarily removed after he posed as Hitler and made racist statements on facebook. He sounds "sane" to you perhaps, but not me. Oh but he has been reinstated so don't worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realitycheck Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 24 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: You’re publishing lies. You didn’t answer the question: Are you Communist Party of China? Only someone very ignorant of European history or someone trying to do defamation with a particular political agenda would make such claims. I am publishing historical fact. Who are you Stormfront? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 PEGIDA is FOR the acceptance of war refugees and politically-or religiously-persecuted people. This is a humanitarian responsibility. PEGIDA is FOR the acceptance of the duty and also right of integration into the Federal Republic of Germany’s Basic Constitutional Law. PEGIDA is FOR the dispersed location of war refugees and persecuted people, instead of their accommodation in inhuman conditions. PEGIDA is FOR a pan-European allocation system for refugees and an appropriate allocation on the shoulders of all EU member-states (a central registration authority to allocate to all EU member-states, similar to the internal German Königsteiner Schlüssela). PEGIDA is FOR lowering the ratio of refugees per welfare-carer (current refugees per social worker c.200:1, in reality there is no welfare-care for partly-traumatized people). PEGIDA is FOR an asylum-application procedure per the Netherlands or Switzerland model, and, until the implementation of it, FOR the BAMFb to shorten massively the duration between application request and processing, to make rapid integration possible. PEGIDA is FOR increasing resources for the Police and against a reduction in their numbers. PEGIDA is FOR the utilisation and implementation of the already-available laws concerning asylum and deportation. PEGIDA is FOR a zero-tolerance policy towards refugees or migrants convicted of offences. PEGIDA is FOR resistance to misogynistic, violent, political ideologies, but NOT to Muslims living here and voluntarily self-integrating. PEGIDA is FOR immigration, per the models of Switzerland, Australia, Canada and South Africa. PEGIDA is FOR sexual self-determination! PEGIDA is FOR the preservation and protection of the Judeo-Christian characteristics of the culture of the West. PEGIDA is FOR the implementation of Citizens’ Referendums, per the model of Switzerland. PEGIDA is AGAINST the delivery of arms/weapons to anti- or un-constitutional organisations, eg the PKK. PEGIDA is AGAINST the toleration of parallel societies, courts & laws in our midst, such as Sharia Law, Sharia-enforcement & judges, etc. PEGIDA is AGAINST the crazy “gender-mainstreaming” or, often, “genderising”, politically-correct neutering of our language. PEGIDA is AGAINST radicalism, equally whether religiously- or politically-motivated. PEGIDA is AGAINST hate preachers, equally, whichever religion they belong to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Above = Pegida Manifesto from http://ukrants.co.uk/pegida-manifesto-translated-from-german-to-english/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 16 minutes ago, Realitycheck said: I am publishing historical fact. Who are you Stormfront? No. Don’t publish lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realitycheck Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: No. Don’t publish lies. I haven't. These are facts which have been published for decades and never refuted...except by people who refuse to face truth, facts and history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, Realitycheck said: I haven't. These are facts which have been published for decades and never refuted...except by people who refuse to face truth, facts and history. You've already been shown to be incorrect. The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world en- lightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its key-note is intolerance. Without Christianity, we should not have had Islam. The Roman Empire, under Germanic influence, would have developed in the direction of world-domination, and humanity would not have extinguished fifteen centuries of civilization at a single stroke. Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. Adolf Hitler in his own words on Christianity. https://archive.org/stream/HitlerTableTalk/Hitler TableTalk_djvu.txt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 22 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Above = Pegida Manifesto from http://ukrants.co.uk/pegida-manifesto-translated-from-german-to-english/ I looked at the pegida canada FB site, they seem a bit rabid to me. I agree that it's important for muslims to fit into OUR society instead of changing it to make it more like the religiously-bigoted countres of the ME, but I'm not down with people with masks and guns here either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realitycheck Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Then there is Mein Kampf: https://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm, and more: https://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm. Certainly he, like Trump, was not above taking a certain position he really didn't believe for political gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, WestCanMan said: I looked at the pegida canada FB site, they seem a bit rabid to me. I agree that it's important for muslims to fit into OUR society instead of changing it to make it more like the religiously-bigoted countres of the ME, but I'm not down with people with masks and guns here either. I have no interest in marches...or Pegida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, Realitycheck said: Then there is Mein Kampf: https://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm, and more: https://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm. Certainly he, like Trump, was not above taking a certain position he really didn't believe for political gain. Hitler's Table Talk records his private conversations. Not policy as directed by Mein Kampf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 34 minutes ago, Owly said: pegida: a German founded, far right, anti Muslim, white nationalist movement, founded by a guy who was temporarily removed after he posed as Hitler and made racist statements on facebook. He sounds "sane" to you perhaps, but not me. Oh but he has been reinstated so don't worry. Oh, he was reinstated after it turned out that picture was a forgery. And the statements he made might be described as contemptuous of immigrants but not racist in that, as far as I'm aware, he never mentioned any particular race. As far as wiki says their only focus is on Islamic immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realitycheck Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Hitler's Table Talk records his private conversations. Not policy as directed by Mein Kampf. Historians have documented his religious beliefs and the support he had from the RCC. You claim the limited private record, which is questionable, takes precedence over the thousands of public, recorded statements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, Realitycheck said: Historians have documented his religious beliefs and the support he had from the RCC. You claim the limited private record, which is questionable, takes precedence over the thousands of public, recorded statements? I'll take Hitler's own words over your conspiracy nonsense, certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: I looked at the pegida canada FB site, they seem a bit rabid to me. I'd never heard of them until recently, and just checked wiki. What did you see that looked rabid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 18 minutes ago, Realitycheck said: I haven't. These are facts which have been published for decades and never refuted...except by people who refuse to face truth, facts and history. Holocaust denial has been published for decades too and continuously refuted - not that they ever believe it. Your saying the Vatican had death camps it sent priests to is libelous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realitycheck Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: I'll take Hitler's own words over your conspiracy nonsense, certainly. You have spent considerable time and effort here denying Hitler's words...and reality...and historical fact. You really are not very good at this are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, Realitycheck said: You have spent considerable time and effort here denying Hitler's words...and reality...and historical fact. I just quoted Hitler to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) I'm curious how we suddenly get two new members agreeing with each other on the same topic. I'm suspicious this is the same person, and probably sock puppets of an existing or previous member. Edited March 26, 2019 by Argus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, Argus said: I'm curious how we suddenly get two new members agreeing with each other. I'm suspicious this is the same person, and probably sock puppets of an existing or previous member. Most certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realitycheck Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Argus said: Holocaust denial has been published for decades too and continuously refuted - not that they ever believe it. Your saying the Vatican had death camps it sent priests to is libelous. The absolute defence against a change of libel, is truth. https://catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2017/07/13/the-harrowing-untold-story-of-the-priests-in-dachau/, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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