Indigenous blockade in BC & related protests

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The Old Lady with the Corgis actually sympathizes with Imperial Aboriginals, like the Gurkhas, Canada is the part of the Empire where they shoot their Gurkhas.

 

Right...so why can't First Nations in B.C. just tell the provincial suits to piss off  when it comes to pipelines...or anything else ?

Do some Canadians actually believe that thanking "aboriginals" for stolen land before each school day or hockey game makes things peachy keen ?

 

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It means there was never an agreement over the ownership of the territory, because no one laid claim to it, that remains within the province of Britain Columbia.  Who’s “aboriginal”?  See the problem with such an identifier is that it becomes all about bloodline and race.  Free states are organized to prevent that kind of ethic hegemony, because race is limiting. 

 

But that is a contradiction in itself....there is no province on unceded territory.

Edited February 24, 2019 by bush_cheney2004

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Right...so why can't First Nations in B.C. just tell the provincial suits to piss off  when it comes to pipelines...or anything else ?

Do some Canadians actually believe that thanking "aboriginals" for stolen land before each school day or hockey game makes things peachy keen ?

 

Hence why I tell the Mohawks to invoke the Declaration of Independence.

[Dougie93]

As Zeitgeist, who is apparently proxy for "Canada",  has declared that Elizabeth Windsor is not the country; I invoke the Declaration of Independence too.

Come and free me Uncle Abe, beam me up, Scotty.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Hence why I tell the Mohawks to invoke the Declaration of Independence.

 

They really should....go PalestIndian on their asses.   No wonder First Nations in Canada have allied with Palestinians.

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

But that is a contradiction in itself....there is no province on unceded territory.

BC is a province of the country, Canada. 

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

BC is a province of the country, Canada. 

 

But much of the country's territory exists through a foundation series of numbered treaties, and there is/was none for most of B.C.

So.....ummmm....WTF ?

Edited February 24, 2019 by bush_cheney2004

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

They really should....go PalestIndian on their asses.   No wonder First Nations in Canada have allied with Palestinians.

Hurrah! Hurrah! We bring the jubilee!
Hurrah! Hurrah! The flag that makes you free!
So we sang the chorus from Atlanta to the sea,
While we were marching through Georgia.

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

But much of the country's territory exists through a foundation series of numbered treaties, and there is/was none for most of B.C.

So.....ummmm....WTF ?

Much of the country is like the moon. People put up flags and claimed it.  There are only treaties in parts of it.  The rest remains under Crown protection. Interestingly, treaties are Crown protected.  Everyone needs the protection of the Crown in times of crisis, thus the RCMP and the Royal Canadian Armed Forces.  

Edited February 24, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Much of the country is like the moon. People put up flags and claimed it. 

 

So what you really mean is that might made/makes right....just as I have always suspected !

No wonder some Canadians and their governments still use the term "aboriginals".

 

[Dougie93]

Canada is simply the Confederacy which won the war and lived to tell the tale, but if Liz Windsor does not rule it, time to free all the slaves everywhere, to include along the banks of the St.Lawrence.

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

So what you really mean is that might made/makes right....just as I have always suspected !

No wonder some Canadians and their governments still use the term "aboriginals".

 

Well, there were treaties for claimed territories.  These are protected by the Crown.  It’s a land claim.  It must go through the courts.  

Edited February 24, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well, there were treaties for claimed territories.  These are protected by the Crown.  It’s a land claim.  It must go through the courts.  

 

Right...but how many "aboriginals" are justices in these courts ?

For all intents and purposes, much of B.C. is equivalent to the occupied territories in Palestine....Crown or no Crown.

[Dougie93]

A Canadian slave empire does not enjoy the protection of the United Kingdom United States Security Agreement, which yields to no treaty against freedom.

Edited February 24, 2019 by Dougie93

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

A Canadian slave empire does enjoy the protection of the United Kingdom United States Security Agreement, which yields to no treaty against freedom.

 

Well, and as much such discussion brings much dismay from some quarters here, it is abundantly obvious that Canada's feds and provinces continue to struggle with the loose and illegitimate confederation to resolve such matters, including the courts.

Does "Crown" just mean it is so hosed up that the never ending quagmire  has to be accepted to maintain "peace, order, and good government" (not a Mohawk motto...heh heh).

Crown...Crown...Crown....blame it all on royal jelly !

[Dougie93]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Well, and as much such discussion brings much dismay from some quarters here, it is abundantly obvious that Canada's feds and provinces continue to struggle with the loose and illegitimate confederation to resolve such matters, including the courts.

Does "Crown" just mean it is so hosed up that the never ending quagmire  has to be accepted to maintain "peace, order, and good government" (not a Mohawk motto...heh heh).

Crown...Crown...Crown....blame it all on royal jelly !

Canadians are under the delusion that America will come to their rescue if the Indians go Palestinian as you say, but in fact America would simply be arbiter, and methinks the American position would be; stabilize and deescalate.  Then; "free people on their own land wanting to do business with America free of the oppression of the British Crown; fine by us."

[Dougie93]

In fact, if the Indians go Palestinian on Canada, methinks America will take the opportunity to pounce on holier than thou Canada.

All that yip yapping about "American Imperial Crimes in Vietnam!" would come back to haunt Canada then.

Free the oppressed is what America would say, payback is a bitch, Canada.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Canadians are under the delusion that America will come to their rescue if the Indians go Palestinian as you say, but in fact America would simply be arbiter, and methinks the American position would be; stabilize and deescalate.  Then; "free people on their own land wanting to do business with America free of the oppression of the British Crown; fine by us."

 

Agreed...especially when it comes to oil pipelines !

B.C. is just the most blatant and obvious example of this continuing land claims/rights debacle in Canada, but there are many others.  

To date, the "Crown" appears to be incapable and/or unwilling to resolve such matters.     It seems to be an interminable game of "reconciliation" circle jerk.

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Agreed...especially when it comes to oil pipelines !

B.C. is just the most blatant and obvious example of this continuing land claims/rights debacle in Canada, but there are many others.  

To date, the "Crown" appears to be incapable and/or unwilling to resolve such matters.     It seems to be an interminable game of "reconciliation" circle jerk.

Never mind that the Indians in America would come to Canada to help free their oppressed, with second amendment solutions.  And some of them are Green Berets.

Never mind the American left, which would go apeshit, and there are more of them than there are people in Canada, several times over, and they are wealthy elites to boot.

[Dougie93]

I mean, I guess Canada missed the part where the Americans supported the Provisional Irish Republican Army, against the British Crown, in the middle of the Cold War.

[bush_cheney2004]

To my way of thinking, the protests and the road blockages are just a symptom of a legacy disease that Canada cannot cure, because it lacks the legitimate framework and will to do so.

Far easier to continue the pretzel logic of "Crown" land as long as nobody gets violent.

[Dougie93]

If it flies out of Canada's control, the American President cannot save them, because he is just the CinC of the military, he can't actually stop the American people from coming after you.

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I mean, I guess Canada missed the part where the Americans supported the Provisional Irish Republican Army, against the British Crown, in the middle of the Cold War.

My nana used to speak in favour of the IRA all the time.  She also had a tea set of the Royal Family going back almost two centuries. 

Edited February 24, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

If it flies out of Canada's control, the American President cannot save them, because he is just the CinC of the military, he can't actually stop the American people from coming after you.

Right so Peace, Order and Responsible Government, the Just Society, Multiculturalism, etc.  RCMP and Armed Forces.  

Edited February 24, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

My nana used to speak in favour of the IRA all the time.  She also had a tea set of the Royal Family going back almost two centuries. 

I am an Orangeman, I've served on attachment to the British Army,  none the less, I bear no particular grudge against the Fenians, because I am a British North American Orangeman, Red Tory, and the Bogside Massacre was indeed a war crime.