bush_cheney2004 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Trump has fucked up international relations quite enough thanks, with Canada, China and just about everyone else except North Korea, Russia and the Saudis. It’s a shit show: 5 GM plant closures in North America and billion dollar losses due to steel and aluminum tariffs. So much to show for all his clever deal making. Nonsense....GM and many other plants were closed long before Trump came along. Trudeau has isolated Canada with poor foreign relations all around. Team Trump is negotiating with China right now....Team Trudeau can't. Edited January 31, 2019 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
OftenWrong Posted January 31, 2019 Report Posted January 31, 2019 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Did you just wake up one day and decide to start talking like a lefty from 25 years ago? I already told you why I wake up, every day. Because of you
OftenWrong Posted January 31, 2019 Report Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: Meanwhile due to Trump's trade war Chinese banks and companies are rapidly expanding their footprint in Mexico, along with the rest of the world, in order to bypass tariffs by offshoring to Mexico, to access the North American market, to include Canada, via USMCA. We've already screwed the pooch, with the TPP.
Dougie93 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: We've already screwed the pooch, with the TPP. TPP is all to the good, down with the supply management cartels Although I'm not likely see any milk from new Zealand, if I could buy NZ milk I would, then just boycott Canadian milk mafia milk. Edited January 31, 2019 by Dougie93
eyeball Posted January 31, 2019 Report Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: I already told you why I wake up, every day. Because of you Seriously though, where were you when people were voicing your concerns 25 years ago? What was your response then? Edited January 31, 2019 by eyeball I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
OftenWrong Posted January 31, 2019 Report Posted January 31, 2019 35 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: TPP is all to the good, down with the supply management cartels Although I'm not likely see any milk from new Zealand, if I could buy NZ milk I would, then just boycott Canadian milk mafia milk. You are welcome to enjoy all the Chinese cheese you care to eat. I'll go with Cracker Barrel
OftenWrong Posted January 31, 2019 Report Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, eyeball said: Seriously though, where were you when people were voicing your concerns 25 years ago? What was your response then? Hard to remember what I was doing in those days, but probably said "Who cares? Roll over, baby." Seriously, I was always in favour of Canadian made products, and investing in Canadian jobs. I see it a a class based issue, not necessarily partisan. Edited January 31, 2019 by OftenWrong
Dougie93 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: You are welcome to enjoy all the Chinese cheese you care to eat. I'll go with Cracker Barrel If Canadian cheddar I prefer Balderson. Get it from Costco tho, when its on sale. You don't seem to understand what the TPP is tho, because China is not in the TPP, that's the whole point of TPP. Edited January 31, 2019 by Dougie93
OftenWrong Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 35 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: If Canadian cheddar I prefer Balderson. Get it from Costco tho, when its on sale. You don't seem to understand what the TPP is tho, because China is not in the TPP, that's the whole point of TPP. Not Chinese I know but Asian, Malaysian, Chinese, all kinda same same to me!
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Not Chinese I know but Asian, Malaysian, Chinese, all kinda same same to me! Main difference being that the Asian TPP members; Japan, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei; are China's adversaries.
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: Hard to remember what I was doing in those days, but probably said "Who cares? Roll over, baby." Seriously, I was always in favour of Canadian made products, and investing in Canadian jobs. I see it a a class based issue, not necessarily partisan. I recall it being pretty hyper-partisan myself although I have to allow for the possibility we define hyper differently. I kinda viewed being constantly compared to Pol Pot and other mass murdering monsters for suggesting we pause to consider as being a wee bit hyper-partisan but maybe that's just me. They sent me to a free-school when I was a kid so that might have something to do with it. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 The only other technically Asian member of TPP is Singapore, but frankly, Singapore is more Western than the West is now.
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Not Chinese I know but Asian, Malaysian, Chinese, all kinda same same to me! Nothing hyper - racist, ignorant or ridiculous about that I guess. Pretty normal these days actually. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
OftenWrong Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: The only other technically Asian member of TPP is Singapore, but frankly, Singapore is more Western than the West is now. Well whatever. You can eat their cheese too, fella, if that's your kind of thing.
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Well whatever. You can eat their cheese too, fella, if that's your kind of thing. Singapore is definitely my kinda thing, but I mostly eat European cheeses, I just pay the premium rather than eat Mangiacake cheese.
OftenWrong Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, eyeball said: Nothing hyper - racist, ignorant or ridiculous about that I guess. Pretty normal these days actually. Don't misunderstand me, I do love diversity... just in very, very small doses. I like Chinese food, for example.
OftenWrong Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: If Canadian cheddar I prefer Balderson. Get it from Costco tho, when its on sale. We got some nice local cheese makers here in the boonies. Maple Dale, or WIlton Cheese. Hard to get at the grocery. Besides, we ain't got no Costco.
Rue Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, eyeball said: They sent me to a free-school when I was a kid so that might have something to do with it. Well since you brought it up, one can only guess what this "free-school" taught you. If you are saying it never taught you that you need to pay for things, well yes that does explain it.
OftenWrong Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: We got some nice local cheese makers here in the boonies. Maple Dale, or WIlton Cheese. Hard to get at the grocery. Besides, we ain't got no Costco. This is why, if Canada does suspend its relations with China it wouldn't mean squat to me and those who live off the grid, whose livelihood is not really connected to the global economy. Whatever fallout there is in the Canada/ China crisis, it will hit the urban areas first. Small, isolated but self-sustaining communities are immune from this.
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: We got some nice local cheese makers here in the boonies. Maple Dale, or WIlton Cheese. Hard to get at the grocery. Besides, we ain't got no Costco. That's not the boonies. There's a Costco in Kingston.
OftenWrong Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, Rue said: Well since you brought it up, one can only guess what this "free-school" taught you. If you are saying it never taught you that you need to pay for things, well yes that does explain it. What's a "free-school" anyway? School was free for everyone when I was a kid. The only schools I'm aware of that were kinda different was the one we called "The Ranch", where where students who were kinda funny would go. Hmm... I don't think that's what eyeball meant. To be honest I thought he meant he went to a kibbutz. But then I don't really know what those are either.
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: This is why, if Canada does suspend its relations with China it wouldn't mean squat to me and those who live off the grid, whose livelihood is not really connected to the global economy. Whatever fallout there is in the Canada/ China crisis, it will hit the urban areas first. Small, isolated but self-sustaining communities are immune from this. Unless you are in China and/or transiting the China Seas, not really much the Chinese can do to you, their power projection capabilities are rather limited.
OftenWrong Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: That's not the boonies. There's a Costco in Kingston. Of course it is. This is farm country out here. It is unusual to see a black person, or a muslim where I live. There's lots of places like this in Canada. In the big city it's different, I know but actually most of Canada is small, isolated communities. Never mind Kingston, although still a small city it is growing fast. Won't be long it'll be the same as Mississauga or Brampton. You missed the real point, which is a point that's actually related to the topic. The issue of Canada and China making big trade deals that benefits those big centres of industry and commerce It has little effect on small communities, and we like that just fine Sir. We have our own cheese makers, because we have to. But at least we know it is made here by our friends and families, to a level of outstanding quality. You just can't depend on Chinese cheese.
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Of course it is. This is farm country out here. It is unusual to see a black person, or a muslim where I live. There's lots of places like this in Canada. In the big city it's different, I know but actually most of Canada is small, isolated communities. Never mind Kingston, although still a small city it is growing fast. Won't be long it'll be the same as Mississauga or Brampton. You missed the real point, which is a point that's actually related to the topic. The issue of Canada and China making big trade deals that benefits those big centres of industry and commerce It has little effect on small communities, and we like that just fine Sir. We have our own cheese makers, because we have to. But at least we know it is made here by our friends and families, to a level of outstanding quality. You just can't depend on Chinese cheese. There are no trade deals between Canada and China. These are the trade deals which Canada is signatory to; North American Free Trade Agreement NAFTA Mexico United States 17 December 1992 1 January 1994[a] Canada–Israel Free Trade Agreement CIFTA Israel 31 July 1996 1 January 1997 Canada–Chile Free Trade Agreement CCFTA Chile 5 December 1996 5 July 1997 Canada–Costa Rica Free Trade Agreement CCRFTA Costa Rica 23 April 2001 1 November 2002 Canada–European Free Trade Association Free Trade Agreement CEFTA Iceland Liechtenstein Norway Switzerland 26 January 2008 1 July 2009 Canada–Peru Free Trade Agreement CPFTA Peru 29 May 2008 1 August 2009 Canada–Colombia Free Trade Agreement Colombia 21 November 2008 15 August 2011 Canada–Jordan Free Trade Agreement Jordan 28 June 2009 1 October 2012 Canada–Panama Free Trade Agreement Panama 14 May 2010 1 April 2013 Canada–Honduras Free Trade Agreement Honduras 5 November 2013 1 October 2014 Canada–Korea Free Trade Agreement CKFTA South Korea 11 March 2014 1 January 2015 Canada–Ukraine Free Trade Agreement CUFTA Ukraine 11 July 2016 1 August 2017 Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement CETA European Union 30 October 2016 21 September 2017 (provisional) Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership CPTPP,TPP-11 Australia Brunei Chile Japan Malaysia Mexico New Zealand Peru Singapore Vietnam Edited February 1, 2019 by Dougie93
OftenWrong Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: There are no trade deals between Canada and China. Not deals, but there is a major trade relationship existing. The ongoing trade talks are considered quite important by some. Not by me, mind you. Recently we heard that some Canadian trade missions to China have been cancelled, or at least put on hold due to the Huawei crisis.
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