eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: What makes you think that one world government is any more likely to make them remember than the current state of affairs? Sounds like pie in the sky wishful thinking that simply changing the system of governance will solve the problem of corruption, but corruption is inherent to any system of governance, and the more power that is concentrated with a system of governance, the more prone that system is to corruption. I fully admit this whole idea is out there. Like I said I think we're behind so many eight-balls, mostly environmental, that nothing we can do know will prevent a reset in that regard. I doubt that will be any more pleasant than a revolution. That said, the technical means to adequately monitor governments has been on the shelf for years now. You ever hear of souveillance? Monitoring one government will be much easier than trying to keep an eye on 200 of the stupid things. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Yzermandius19 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: I fully admit this whole idea is out there. Like I said I think we're behind so many eight-balls, mostly environmental, that nothing we can do know will prevent a reset in that regard. I doubt that will be any more pleasant than a revolution. That said, the technical means to adequately monitor governments has been on the shelf for years now. You ever hear of souveillance? Monitoring one government will be much easier than trying to keep an eye on 200 of the stupid things. Smaller more limited government is easier to keep an eye on than a big government with it's hand in everything, because there is less to keep an eye on. Creating a big complicated multi-national government isn't going to be easier to keep track of, just the opposite, not only that but people would care less about keeping track of it, because they have no attachment to it, unlike the nation states they live in, which they are far more attached to and more prone to keep an eye on. Edited February 1, 2019 by Yzermandius19
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I've not accused you of committing any crimes. I in fact said that it is perfectly within your prerogative to be a communist, that's no crime where I come from. Thanks. And I'm not a communist just so you know. I suspect communist governments would have even less use for someone like me than a capitalist one. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: There is in fact two Communist Party's of Canada, facepalm/ There's that famously stupid knee of your's acting up again. Edited February 1, 2019 by eyeball I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: Thanks. And I'm not a communist just so you know. I suspect communist governments would have even less use for someone like me than a capitalist one. By advocating for One World Government Kumbaya, you are a communist by definition. Whether you are a Communist is neither here nor there, as you are not a government.
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Smaller government is easier to keep an eye on than big government, because there is less to keep an eye on. Creating a big complicated multi-national government isn't going to be easier to keep track of, just the opposite. I agree that it'll take effort but I disagree that that it'll be harder to keep an eye on one thing as opposed to many. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Yzermandius19 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 Look how well the EU is working right now, a world government would be even more unwieldy, and would include nations with even more separate interests, and it's suppose to work better? That makes no sense, the One World Government plan simply isn't well thought through.
Yzermandius19 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: I agree that it'll take effort but I disagree that that it'll be harder to keep an eye on one thing as opposed to many. People don't care about keeping an eye on something they have no attachment to, they do care about keeping an eye on their nation states though because they are infinitely more attached to them than a one world government. National governments are by definition smaller in size than a One World Government or a multi-national government framework like the EU, and thus easier to keep track of, it's not like the technology to keep track of governments is only available to a One World Government. Edited February 1, 2019 by Yzermandius19
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: By advocating for One World Government Kumbaya, you are a communist by definition Only according to your knee. I'm simply an Earthling is all, and its 2019 for crying out loud. It's time we grew up. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Look how well the EU is working right now, a world government would be even more unwieldy, and would include nations with even more separate interests, and it's suppose to work better? That makes no sense, the One World Government plan simply isn't well thought through. Compared the one world economy currently taking us over a cliff? If you say so. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 What's funny is how eyeball doesn't have the courage of his convictions. It is not we who claim that communism is a crime, it is eyeball who is asserting that by equivocating it with him being defamed as a criminal somehow for being a de facto communist. Accusing me of being a criminal is of course defamation, but accusing me of being a capitalist is simply stating the obvious. Truth is the ultimate defence; I am not a criminal. But I am a capitalist. Mea culpa.
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: People don't care about keeping an eye on something they have no attachment to. You live in outer space on a different planet or something? Quote , they do care about keeping an eye on their nation states though because they are infinitely more attached to them than a one world government. National governments are by definition smaller in size than a One World Government, and thus easier to keep track of, it's not like the technology to keep track of governments is only available to a One World Government. I know this will only make you laugh harder but I'm guessing you've ever heard of bioregionalism? Naturally we'll need smaller localized jurisdictions to represent people and bioregions make the most sense. The world government's primary role would be facilitate bioregionalism. It's not rocket science its just political science. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Yzermandius19 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Compared the one world economy currently taking us over a cliff? If you say so. Change for the sake of change, isn't going to produce a better result. Being able to point out the flaws in one economic system does not mean that changing the system will yield better results, the alternatives matter, and a One World Government is not preferable to the current state of affairs. Come up with a better alternative before you suggest throwing the baby out with the bathwater, because free market capitalism is the best economic system humanity has yet devised to serve as the foundation of the economy, and until that changes, slow your roll on demanding change.
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: What's funny is how eyeball doesn't have the courage of his convictions. It is not we who claim that communism is a crime, it is eyeball who is asserting that by equivocating it with him being defamed as a criminal somehow for being a de facto communist. Accusing me of being a criminal is of course defamation, but accusing me of being a capitalist is simply stating the obvious. Truth is the ultimate defence; I am not a criminal. But I am a capitalist. Mea culpa. Hey, the ball is over there. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: free market capitalism is the best economic system humanity has yet devised to serve as the foundation of the economy, and until that changes, slow your roll on demanding change. I agree 100%. Its the way we govern capitalism that's at issue here. To me a free economy is one that's free of undue influence. Edited February 1, 2019 by eyeball I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Yzermandius19 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, eyeball said: You live in outer space on a different planet or something? I know this will only make you laugh harder but I'm guessing you've ever heard of bioregionalism? Naturally we'll need smaller localized jurisdictions to represent people and bioregions make the most sense. The world government's primary role would be facilitate bioregionalism. It's not rocket science its just political science. If you think most people would be more attached to a one-world government than their own nation states, that is you projecting on the masses. Earth isn't a system of governance, it's a planet, nothing about it is conducive to a one-world government, this ain't Star Trek, too many different people and cultures with vastly different interests for such a government to function adequately to meet their desires. Unless there is a global-monoculture that aligns the interests of all humans together more than their nationality aligns their interests, than it simply isn't realistic, and that is long ways off, if it is ever attained in the first place. Edited February 1, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Hey, the ball is over there. No, the ball is in your court; One World Government Kumbaya, if you can take it and hold it. Go ahead and try, I will simply vote against it, as is my right, as Her Majesty defends the right. Edited February 1, 2019 by Dougie93
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: If you think most people would be more attached to a one-world government than their own nation states, that is you projecting on the masses. Earth isn't a system of governance, it's a planet, nothing about it is conducive to a one-world government, this ain't Star Trek. I think most people will be attached to what works best and right now the world looks really divided and in disagreement on what that is. From where I'm sitting most people appear to be detaching from it. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: If you think most people would be more attached to a one-world government than their own nation states, that is you projecting on the masses. Earth isn't a system of governance, it's a planet, nothing about it is conducive to a one-world government, this ain't Star Trek, too many different people and cultures with vastly different interests for such a government to function. Unless there is a global-monoculture that aligns the interests of all humans together more than their nationality aligns their interests, than it simply isn't realistic. I'm into the latest version of Star Trek tho, they've dropped the Bolshvism and now the Federation is not a post scarcity utopia anymore. The last episode was great, Michelle Yeoh Federation Five Eyes ftw,
Yzermandius19 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 Just now, eyeball said: I think most people will be attached to what works best and right now the world looks really divided and in disagreement on what that is. From where I'm sitting most people appear to be detaching from it. From where I am sitting, with the world as divided as it is, a One World Government simply can't work the best, and until the world is significantly less divided, that isn't going to change any time soon. You may notice some people starting to identify more with humanity than the nation state they live, but it's going to be decades if not centuries before you hit a tipping point on that.
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: No, the ball is in your court; One World Government Kumbaya, if you can take it and hold it. Go ahead and try, I will simply vote against it, as is my right, as Her Majesty defends the right. Fair enough, its the people who are trying to buy the government they want you should be concerned about. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Yzermandius19 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: I'm into the latest version of Star Trek tho, they've dropped the Bolshvism and now the Federation is not a post scarcity utopia anymore. The last episode was great, Michelle Yeoh Federation Five Eyes ftw, I like the new Star Trek too, haven't seen any of the new season yet, but Captain Lorca was the shit, I hope they find the non-mirror universe version of him at some point, pretty please with sugar on top.
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: From where I am sitting, with the world as divided as it is, a One World Government simply can't work the best, and until the world is significantly less divided, that isn't going to change any time soon. You may notice some people starting to identify more with humanity than the nation state they live, but it's going to be decades if not centuries before you hit a tipping point on that. It's not called the Peace of Westphalia for nothing, pursuit of a One World Commune is not Kumbaya, it's a recipe for a world war.
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: From where I am sitting, with the world as divided as it is, a One World Government simply can't work the best, and until the world is significantly less divided, that isn't going to change any time soon. You may notice some people starting to identify more with humanity than the nation state they live, but it's going to be decades if not centuries before you hit a tipping point on that. I'm glad to see you realize that resisting progress is ultimately futile. FTW I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Yzermandius19 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 The best thing about the Star Trek Discovery is that, they decided that they wanted it to be more like Deep Space Nine, and less like the rest of the franchise, and those are always my favorite versions of Star Trek, here's hoping they keep it up and don't deviate from that plan.
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