taxme Posted January 26, 2019 Report Posted January 26, 2019 21 hours ago, Jimwd said: This is what will end trump. His dirty financial connections to Russia, his laundering money for Russians which is why putin controls him. aside from the proof manafort was in close contact with russian intelligence .... thats not even taking into account what Flynn or Cohen have to say. It’s all coming apart for the trump supporters, It is starting to look like you know the real side of the Trump saga here? Never mind worrying about what the Mule may have anymore. What do you have? Where or what proof do you have that Trump is guilty of all those charges you mentioned above? Have you completed your own investigation now? Come on, show us that proof that you have that Trump is guilty? I await like so many others of your final conclusions. Why keep us waiting any longer. So? Quote
Jimwd Posted January 26, 2019 Report Posted January 26, 2019 3 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said: So, you're telling me that because SOME may break my lock, I shouldn't have one? That's an idiotic way of thinking if you ask me. No. I’m telling you that Americans breaking the law by hiring illegals is the problem. No jobs= no illegals. economics 101 supply and demand Quote
Jimwd Posted January 26, 2019 Report Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, taxme said: It is starting to look like you know the real side of the Trump saga here? Never mind worrying about what the Mule may have anymore. What do you have? Where or what proof do you have that Trump is guilty of all those charges you mentioned above? Have you completed your own investigation now? Come on, show us that proof that you have that Trump is guilty? I await like so many others of your final conclusions. Why keep us waiting any longer. So? 17 minutes ago, taxme said: It is starting to look like you know the real side of the Trump saga here? Never mind worrying about what the Mule may have anymore. What do you have? Where or what proof do you have that Trump is guilty of all those charges you mentioned above? Have you completed your own investigation now? Come on, show us that proof that you have that Trump is guilty? I await like so many others of your final conclusions. Why keep us waiting any longer. So? 1.Trump’s kid admitted years ago that they were getting money from the russians 2.trump couldn’t get money from an American bank ,no one would give him money,so he went to detche bank which was busted for russian money laundering He owes millions which he wouldn’t pay so they transferred his loan to the department that gave him more money.the department busted for russian money laundering laundering fineEdit In January 2017, the bank was fined $425 million by the New York State Department of Financial Services (DFS)[88] and £163 million by the UK Financial Conduct Authority[89] regarding accusations of laundering $10 billion out of Russia.[90][91][92] Robert Mueller's investigationEdit Deutsche Bank is widely recognized as being the largest creditor to real-estate-mogul-turned-politician Donald Trump, 45th President of the United States, holding more than US$360 million in outstanding loans to the candidate in the months prior to his 2016 election. Deutsche Bank’s role and possible relevance to an investigation of Trump and Russian parties colluding to elect him were reportedly under F.B.I. investigation as of December 2017.[93] 3” Steve Banian states if trump is impeached it will be because of money laundering 4. Panama trump tower ..busted russian money landering 5. Florida sale to russian oligarch who paid 90 million for a property worth 40 and never even showed up to see it. Edited January 26, 2019 by Jimwd Quote
taxme Posted January 26, 2019 Report Posted January 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, Jimwd said: 1.Trump’s kid admitted years ago that they were getting money from the russians 2.trump couldn’t get money from an American bank ,no one would give him money,so he went to detche bank which was busted for russian money laundering He owes millions which he wouldn’t pay so they transferred his loan to the department that gave him more money.the department busted for russian money laundering laundering fineEdit In January 2017, the bank was fined $425 million by the New York State Department of Financial Services (DFS)[88] and £163 million by the UK Financial Conduct Authority[89] regarding accusations of laundering $10 billion out of Russia.[90][91][92] Robert Mueller's investigationEdit Deutsche Bank is widely recognized as being the largest creditor to real-estate-mogul-turned-politician Donald Trump, 45th President of the United States, holding more than US$360 million in outstanding loans to the candidate in the months prior to his 2016 election. Deutsche Bank’s role and possible relevance to an investigation of Trump and Russian parties colluding to elect him were reportedly under F.B.I. investigation as of December 2017.[93] 3” Steve Banian states if trump is impeached it will be because of money laundering 4. Panama trump tower ..busted russian money landering 5. Florida sale to russian oligarch who paid 90 million for a property worth 40 and never even showed up to see it. 1. No law against that. No collusion there. No doubt a business deal of some kind going on. Hello. 2. That is not Trump's fault. That is the banks fault. If one bank won't give you any money then try another bank. Hello. 3. I owe thousands. If Trump needed money then I am sure that he will take it from whomever will give it to him. This does not mean that he his colluding with Russians or is in the business of money laundering. Hello. 4. So, who cares. They got caught and had to pay the price for getting caught. Hello. 5. I asked you for your final investigative report on Trump/Russian collusion. When will I get to see and read it? 6. Again, I do not care what the Deutsche bank does in it's spare time. Hillary had plenty of dealings with Russia that should have been investigated by Mueller instead. He would have been able to have convicted her by now and she would probably be in jail now. "Lock her up". Lol. 7. Trump will not be impeached over anything. Stop dreaming will you. You should concern yourself more with what Trudeau and his merry gang of thieves are doing with your tax dollars every day. Your constant rambling on about a Trump impeachment is starting to fatigue me out. Why are Canadians like you so concerned over what Trump does but could careless about what Trudeau does? Amazing indeed. 3/4/5. Blah-blah nonsense. Go have a coffee. Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 26, 2019 Report Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, taxme said: It is starting to look like you know the real side of the Trump saga here? Never mind worrying about what the Mule may have anymore. What do you have? Where or what proof do you have that Trump is guilty of all those charges you mentioned above? Have you completed your own investigation now? Come on, show us that proof that you have that Trump is guilty? I await like so many others of your final conclusions. Why keep us waiting any longer. So? Unless Stone flips states evidence on Trump, they got nothing. So long as Roger takes one for the team, all they can do is impeach. They don't have the votes to remove a President. Thus this is all just Kabuki Theater fundraising, the point is to incite the butt hurt lefties to give the Democrats money. Edited January 26, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
Jimwd Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, taxme said: 1. No law against that. No collusion there. No doubt a business deal of some kind going on. Hello. Collusion already proven with manafort,stone as well as the trump tower meeting. and money laundering is a felony Edited January 27, 2019 by Jimwd Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jimwd said: Collusion already proven with manafort,stone as well as the trump tower meeting. and money laundering is a felony A sitting President cannot be charged with a felony. All you can do is impeach. You can't impeach for a felony, High Crimes and Misdemeanors is not a felony charge. Quote
Jimwd Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: A sitting President cannot be charged with a felony. All you can do is impeach. You can't impeach for a felony, High Crimes and Misdemeanors is not a felony charge. Show me in the constitution where a president can’t be charged with a felony. Edited January 27, 2019 by Jimwd Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jimwd said: Show me in the constitution where a president can’t be charged with a felony. Separation of powers, the head of the executive branch of government cannot be charged with a felony while in the execution of his constitutional duties. The mechanism for removing a President from office is impeachment and no other. Quote
Jimwd Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Separation of powers, the head of the executive branch of government cannot be charged with a felony while in the execution of his constitutional duties. The mechanism for removing a President from office is impeachment and no other. I know the mechanism. But the constitution doesn’t say anything about not charging a president with felonies . If you read the federalist papers they were very clear no one is above the law. ”a government of laws not of men “ John Adams Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) Whatever, you'll find out, they're not going to charge the President with a felony. They might try to impeach based on the testimony of rats like Cohen, but that won't be enough. The only thing that brought Nixon down, was the smoking gun, Nixon on tape committing a felony. That's why Nixon resigned. if it had just been rats no tapes? Nixon would have survived. If Mueller had the smoking gun, we'd already be in the Senate for the trial. Thus, they don't got shit. Edited January 27, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
Jimwd Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 Don’t change the subject. We were discussing whether a president can be charged with a felony. if the framers of the Constitution wanted to make presidents immune from indictment, they would have explicitly written that immunity into the text. They argue another constitutional principle - that no person, including the president, is above the law - supersedes other considerations. Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) He's immune by separation of powers, he cannot be charged by the executive when he is the executive, that's why they have impeachment. The President could even invoke an Executive Order Article II to have any charges stayed, for national security reasons. Thus, first you have to impeach, then you have to remove him from office by two thirds super majority in the Senate. When he's a private citizen again, only then can you charge him with a felony. But without the smoking gun, Trump himself on tape incriminating himself, you won't get the super majority to remove him. Edited January 27, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
Jimwd Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: He's immune by separation of powers, he cannot be charged by the executive when he is the executive, that's why they have impeachment. The President could even invoke an Executive Order Article II to have any charges stayed, for national security reasons. Thus, first you have to impeach, then you have to remove him from office by two thirds super majority in the Senate. Then when he's a private citizen, only then can you charge him with a felony. But without the smoking gun, Trump himself on tape incriminating himself, you won't get the super majority to remove him. Again..he is not immune from the law. the framers were clear. No one is above the law. Impeachment is a political process. It is not based on law but on, political whims and interpretations, The framers didn’t say no one is above the law “except the president” The framers said the opposite. “NO ONE is above the law. Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Jimwd said: Again..he is not immune from the law. the framers were clear. No one is above the law. Impeachment is a political process. It is not based on law but on, political whims and interpretations, The framers didn’t say no one is above the law “except the president” The framers said the opposite. “NO ONE is above the law. The Office of the President is immune from felony charge, the person in that office has to be removed from it, before he can be charged with a felony, again, hence why Impeachment. Quote
Jimwd Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: The Office of the President is immune from felony charge, the person in that office has to be removed from it, before he can be charged with a felony, again, hence why Impeachment. Article one of the constitution specifically gives limited immunity to congress,judges and prosecutors. None to the president, if the framers wanted the president immune from prosecution they would have said so like they did for those I mentioned, it has never been tested in court because most presidents aren’t as corrupt as trump. But sooner or later it will be tested. And I suspect the constitutional principles will be upheld. Edited January 27, 2019 by Jimwd Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 Whatever, you can argue with Dershowitz about it, I'll take the Harvard law professors word for it over yours. Quote
Jimwd Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: Whatever, you can argue with Dershowitz about it, I'll take the Harvard law professors word for it over yours. Just so I’m clear. Your position is the president can’t be arrested while he is president? Is that what you are saying? Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 Just now, Jimwd said: Just so I’m clear. Your position is the president can’t be arrested while he is president? Is that what you are saying? I suppose the President could be arrested, like, you're on a tour of the WH and then Trump tries to strangle you? I would say the Secret Service would stop him and cuff him. But then the Senate would have to impeach him by two thirds majority vote to remove from office, before the DC prosecutor could charge him with attempt murder or whatever. Quote
Jimwd Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: I suppose the President could be arrested, like, you're on a tour of the WH and then Trump tries to strangle you? I would say the Secret Service would stop him and cuff him. But then the Senate would have to impeach him by two thirds majority vote to remove from office, before the DC prosecutor could charge him with attempt murder or whatever. So the president can be arrested while in office? Good for you. You can’t arrest someone body unless they commit a crime. You just told me the president can’t be charged while he is in office. You can’t be arrested then.? So which is it? Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 Arrest is simply to take someone into custody. No one is guilty of anything by arrest. An arrest is not a charge, it is simply an arrest. In my scenario the Secret Service would likely release Trump from custody after things had calmed down. Then I assume you would lodge a complaint. Then the prosecutor would do an investigation. The prosecutor would then release the findings of the investigation. If the investigation asserted that a felony had occurred, over to you Senate. The Senate then holds a trial, if convicted by two thirds majority, then the President is removed from office. At which point the DC prosecutor could have citizen Trump remanded back into custody to face the felony charge, no longer immune by the Office of the Presidency. Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 What you need is the smoking gun, the President can only be tried by the Senate. The Senate is not going to remove their own President from office on the say so of a bunch of butt hurt lefties, nor a bunch of rats making a deal to reduce their sentences. You need to have Trump recorded incriminating himself, like Nixon, before the Senate will turn on him, same as they did with Nixon. Without the tapes, the Senate was not budging, at all. When the smoking gun tape appeared, that is the only thing that took Nixon down. Once Nixon had resigned, he was no longer immune, however President Ford immediately pardoned him. Quote
xul Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 6 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said: What's this obsession with left-wing partisans and the Star Wars saga? Star Wars II war so bad as well... Trump without wall, Darth Vader without mask...to Trump supporters, there is nothing worse than these I wish Trump would succeed in 2020 so people around the world would have additional 4 years cat fights to watch Quote
Jimwd Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Arrest is simply to take someone into custody. No one is guilty of anything by arrest. An arrest is not a charge, it is simply an arrest. An arrest has be to based on probable cause. trump walks over to the senate ..shoots McConnell in the head and proceeds to execute member of the senate. not only will he be arrested,he will be indicted ,incarcerated and convicted, all while being president, Edited January 27, 2019 by Jimwd Quote
Jimwd Posted January 27, 2019 Report Posted January 27, 2019 There is no cat fight. Trump lost, Quote
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