The Slow Painful Death of the Trump Administration

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Jimwd said:

You realize your thinking  has become so distorted you are defending lies now. It’s like Orwell..up is down down is up.

 

they lied because they committed crimes l

Helsinki should have told you something is wrong,

They lied because they don't want the public to know the truth, which may or may not have been because there was a crime committed, until there is proof of a crime, which there isn't, it makes no sense to assume that they lied only because a crime was committed.

Edited January 25, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Clinton did the same thing, and the Republicans claimed they had a smoking gun they never had. Trump is simply stealing from Clinton's playbook, this time the shoe is simply on the other foot.

That's the brilliance of Big Daddy Trump, he picks and chooses the arms of different Presidents, one moment he's Reagan, then he's Nixon, then he's Clinton, and he's always Andrew Jackson about it overall,  ye olde float like a butterly sting like a bee coated in teflon.

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Jimwd said:

Clinton did not do the same thing, clinton lied about personal consensual sex not conspiring with a foreign government,

Neither of which, are illegal, same-same. Starr had nothing on Clinton, Mueller has nothing on Trump, the only reason you can't see the obvious similarity, is your hatred of Trump blinds you, while you didn't hate Clinton enough to not see the bullshit.

Edited January 25, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Jimwd]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Neither of which, are illegal, same-same.

Ok let’s play your game......cLinton lies  to cover up sexual misconduct 

what did trump lie for as well as many of his people? What were they covering up?

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, Jimwd said:

Ok let’s play your game......cLinton lies  to cover up sexual misconduct 

what did trump lie for as well as many of his people? What were they covering up?

The burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the defense. Lack of proof isn't grounds for jumping to unproven accusations.

Edited January 25, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Jimwd]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

The burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the defense.

You brought it up. 

 

Now youre running away? What was trump hiding ?we know what Clinton was hiding.

[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, Jimwd said:

You brought it up. 

 

Now youre running away? What was trump hiding ?we know what Clinton was hiding.

Trump is hiding his connections to Russia, because his haters have concocted a narrative about the Russians stealing the election, and he wants his presidency to be seen as legitimate.

Of course that is only a guess, I can't read Trump's mind, but his haters seem to think they can, and Trump is obviously a criminal for talking to Russians to them, despite it not being illegal, and he doesn't want to give them any bullshit they can twist to their political advantage.

Lies aren't only told to cover up crimes, lies have far more uses than that, politicians know. My guess requires less assumptions than yours, Occam's Razor FTW.

Edited January 25, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Jimwd]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Trump is hiding his connections to Russia, because his haters have concotted a narrative about the Russian stealing the election, and he wants his presidency to be seen as legitimate.

Of course that is only a guess, I can't read Trump's mind, but his haters seem to think they can, and Trump is obviously a criminal for talking to Russians to them, despite it not being illegal, and he doesn't want to give them any bullshit they can twist to their political advantage. My guess requires less assumptions than yours, Occam's Razor FTW.

How can he be seen a legitimate when he lied ? If he was legitimate he wouldn’t have lied.

His very lies make him illegitimate ...you’re talking in circles.

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Jimwd said:

How can he be seen a legitimate when he lied ? If he was legitimate he wouldn’t have lied.

His very lies make him illegitimate ...you’re talking in circles.

All politicians lie, or they lost to a politician who did. I grade on a curve, not against some mythical unicorn POTUS who never lies and who will never be elected. If you want to grade Trump against perfection, that's your problem, not mine.

Edited January 25, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Jimwd]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

All politicians lie, or they lost to a politician who did. I grade on a curve, not against some mythical unicorn POTUS.

So  now we get to the real reach..of extremism

comparing a guy who comitted manslaughter to a serial killer.....

thats called a logical fallacy 

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, Jimwd said:

So  now we get to the real reach..of extremism

comparing a guy who comitted manslaughter to a serial killer.....

thats called a logical fallacy 

Trump lies about as much as most politicians, he's just better at it than most. Grade Trump against the mythical unicorn if you want to, I compare him to other politicians, and other POTUS's in particular.

[Jimwd]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Trump lies about as much as most politicians, he's just better at it than most. Grade Trump against the mythical unicorn if you want to, I compare him to other politicians, and other POTUS's in particular.

Trump lies about everything from crowd sizes to his hand size and everything in between ..trump is a pathological liar and a conman.

mob sheep chanting in lockstep...lock her up..exposes just what kind of mentality is easily conned.

 

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Jimwd said:

Trump lies about everything from crowd sizes to his hand size and everything in between ..trump is a pathological liar and a conman.

mob sheep chanting in lockstep...lock her up..exposes just what kind of mentality is easily conned.

 

All politicians are conmen, The Donald won because he was the better conman than Hillary. There was no POTUS candidate in 2016 who wasn't a conman, I grade Trump on a curve, not against an unelectable unicorn who never lies.

/shrugs

Edited January 25, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Jimwd]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

All politicians are conmen, The Donald won because he was the better conman than Hillary. There was no POTUS candidate in 2016 who wasn't a conman, I grade Trump on a curve, not against an unelectable unicorn who never lies.

/shrugs

Yet Hillary got 3 million more votes..

wait the conman claimed voter fraud...and yet his commission found no voter fraud.

ooops another lie,,

and the record EC win ooops another lie

it never ends..but mob sheep chanting in lockstep expose some the weakness of the tribal cult. No check from Mexico......all those those rallies with all those sheep chanting Mexico would pay.

And today  trump folded like a cheap suit 

 

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, Jimwd said:

Yet Hillary got 3 million more votes..

wait the conman claimed voter fraud...and yet his commission found no voter fraud.

ooops another lie,,

and the record EC win ooops another lie

it never ends..but mob sheep chanting in lockstep expose some the weakness of the tribal cult. No check from Mexico......all those those rallies with all those sheep chanting Mexico would pay.

And today  trump folded like a cheap suit 

 

Trump lost a game he wasn't playing, whoop dee doo. Electoral College is all that matters, popular vote is irrelevant, you are basically saying "Yeah, well, the other team got more yards gained, who cares about the points on the scoreboard of this football game? Hillary got more yards!", keep the laughs coming.

[Jimwd]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Trump lost a game he wasn't playing, whoop dee doo. Electoral College is all that matters, popular vote is irrelevant, you are basically saying "Yeah, well, the other team got more yards gained, who cares about the points on the scoreboard of this football game? Hillary got more yards!", keep the laughs coming.

Lost a game he wasn’t playing? So that would make it another lie he told.

As far as trump winning the election it was a perfect storm..between russian..and Comey annnouncementa. Won’t happens again

the gop lost the popular vote by 3 million in 2016

in the midterms gop lost the popular vote by 12 million..

your fluke win..was just that 

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, Jimwd said:

Lost a game he wasn’t playing? So that would make it another lie he told.

As far as trump winning the election it was a perfect storm..between russian..and Comey annnouncementa. Won’t happens again

the gop lost the popular vote by 3 million in 2016

in the midterms gop lost the popular vote by 12 million..

your fluke win..was just that 

When he gets re-elected in 2020, you'll say that was a fluke too. Insert eye roll here.

Edited January 25, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Jimwd]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

When he gets re-elected in 2020, you'll say that was fluke too. Insert eye roll here.

if you look up my prediction..I said “ Americans are not stupid enough to elect trump” I was wrong. As was the rest of the world. You truly are.

let me give you my prediction,,.when Muellers  report comes out you’re  going to find out trump was laundering russian money and Russians financed him when no American banks would give him money.

which is why putin controls him.

And you will be on this forum defending putins control of trump. 

 

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Jimwd said:

Lost a game he wasn’t playing? So that would make it another lie he told.

As far as trump winning the election it was a perfect storm..between russian..and Comey annnouncementa. Won’t happens again

the gop lost the popular vote by 3 million in 2016

in the midterms gop lost the popular vote by 12 million..

your fluke win..was just that 

Americans are not elected to office by popular majority, election by popular majority is a formal democracy, while a representative republic is for the purposes of preventing one of those.

[Jimwd]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Americans are not elected to office by popular majority, election by popular majority is a formal democracy, while a representative republic is for the purposes of preventing one of those.

I know how it works. But you don’t. You have strayed from the framers  intent.

 

federalist 68 ..Hamilton said if you let the masses vote for president they could be subject to foreign influence,

The framers intended for the EC to choose the president not the masses,

Edited January 25, 2019 by Jimwd

[Yzermandius19]

16 minutes ago, Jimwd said:

if you look up my prediction..I said “ Americans are not stupid enough to elect trump” I was wrong. As was the rest of the world. You truly are.

let me give you my prediction,,.when Muellers  report comes out you’re  going to find out trump was laundering russian money and Russians financed him when no American banks would give him money.

which is why putin controls him.

And you will be on this forum defending putins control of trump. 

 

My prediction: Trump wins re-election easily, because the Democrats will put up a Romney/Kerry/Dole/Mondale/McGovern (A donk of a nominee, with no chance of victory) candidate to run against him, not just because the Dems have no two-term POTUS waiting in the wings, but also because, even if they did, they'd likely keep their powder dry until they aren't running against an incumbent presidential candidate, in 2024.

Side Prediction: Mueller Investigation is Starr Investigation 2.0

We'll see which one of us is right.

Edited January 25, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, Jimwd said:

I know how it works. But you don’t. You have strayed from the framers  intent.

 

federalist 68 ..Hamilton said if you let the masses vote for president they could be subject to foreign influence,

The framers intended for the EC to choose the president not the masses,

Framers intent was overthrown at Cemetery Ridge by the Army of the Potomac, I'm not actually an Originalist, I view the American constitution to be a living document.

[Dougie93]

Thus, the limit of speech is now Brandenburg v. Ohio, the Framers intent would not allow for that.

Bradenburg v. Ohio is sedition by the terms of 1776

For which the Landed Gentry would have tied you to a post and whipped you, or for more serious transgressions, hung you from the nearest tree,

By the limits of speech now tho, colluding with foreigners to win elections is constitutionally protected, so long as you are not passing classified information to a foreign power, you can speak with them for any reason as you please, classification being by executive order only, including the President rescinding those classifications retroactively, so practically impossible to charge a President with passing classified information, as it is only classified at and  by his whim.

Can easily write another Executive Order asserting that any previous one is null and void, anytime he wants, Executive Orders not actually being the law.

Edited January 26, 2019 by Dougie93

[Jimwd]

51 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Thus, the limit of speech is now Brandenburg v. Ohio, the Framers intent would not allow for that.

Bradenburg v. Ohio is sedition by the terms of 1776

For which the Landed Gentry would have tied you to a post and whipped you, or for more serious transgressions, hung you from the nearest tree,

By the limits of speech now tho, colluding with foreigners to win elections is constitutionally protected, so long as you are not passing classified information to a foreign power, you can speak with them for any reason as you please, classification being by executive order only, including the President rescinding those classifications retroactively, so practically impossible to charge a President with passing classified information, as it is only classified at and  by his whim.

Can easily write another Executive Order asserting that any previous one is null and void, anytime he wants, Executive Orders not actually being the law.

Mueller knows the law but maybe you could text him. 

[Dougie93]

Just now, Jimwd said:

Mueller knows the law but maybe you could text him. 

I don't expect Mueller to charge a President with anything more than obstruction, that's how the witch hunt works, you say "collusion!" for example, which is no crime, but then you just try to get somebody to lie under oath about, then you charge them with that.

But as Yzemandius has said, that's just Clinton 2.0, so most likely punishment is the censure of a poltical witch hunt, which doesn't remove Trump from office, nor even harm his legacy with his base, so; whoop dee do.