GostHacked Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 The latest is General Pace and Abizaid telling us that civil war is going to happen. But none of you payed attention before when the country was invaded. We warned it would get to this kind of 'unusual amounts of sectarian violence' aka civil war. This was all over the MSM yesterday, even CNN.com had some clips.. now nowehere to be found. OH here it is , I had to do a search for an article that is a day old and no longer on CNNs main links page. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/03/ira...ring/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14173683/ And Lieberman is likely going to be killed because of his position in Iraq. I wonder if he will try to be a spoiler and run as an independent. He'll just let a Republican win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14189415/ Rice says there is no civil war in Iraq. Hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14189415/Rice says there is no civil war in Iraq. Hmm. Rice 'believe's alot of things judging by that article. It's not civil war when 12.5 million people go out and vote for a government that bridges all of the sectarian groups. It's not civil war when the Iraqis are able to then, on the basis of that vote, form a unity government that is now trying to work both toward reconstruction and reconciliation. It's not civil war when you have a prime minister of Iraq, who is himself a Shia, who sits with the defense minister, who is a Sunni, with an interior minister who's a Shia, with a president who is Kurdish. That's not civil war. Just because there is one of each in the new parliment (it was set up that way) does not mean there is not a civil war going on. Just because we have a President who is a Democrat and a Vice-President who is a Republican, does not mean that the whole of the US is under one new thinking now. Regardless of who is in the key positions in Iraq, it is clear what is going on. Civil war. The US cannot admit that for they would have failed in the attempt to democratize Iraq. I favour Pace and Abizaid's opinions over Rice. If the top US Military Generals are saying it's civil war, then it must be. Rice is not in charge of the Military's daily operations and gets reports from the Military. I don't count her opinion as valid. Pace and Abizaid have been saying they are making progresss, they have always said that up untill now. And I think that is pretty important to consider. Staunch supporters of the Iraq war are now saying it's getting to the point of no return. If those guys are scared of it turning into civil war, then I am inclined to think the same way. We all have seen the reports it is getting worse over there. And now the top Generals are saying it as well. Rice is not the Military and cannot speak for them. Unusual high amounts of sectarian violence = civil war. If this was Canada it would be classified as 'intense provincial squabbling' All this 'political correctness' and 'language' they are using to cover up the real situation disgusts me really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Unusual high amounts of sectarian violence = civil war. If this was Canada it would be classified as 'intense provincial squabbling' All this 'political correctness' and 'language' they are using to cover up the real situation disgusts me really. I think that it definitely started out as an insurgency. I also think that many Iraqis voted enthusiastically. But there were a lot of people in that country who also wanted to settle olf scores. A few recently retired generals have been saying this week that is the kettle blows off, it won't be a gradual withdrawal, it will be by the seat of your pants, everyone run like hell withdrawal. The big thing is that some people predicted these problems from the start but were shouted down in the hue and cry to go to war in Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14197242/ Another bad day in Iraq. Certainly looking more like sectarian violence despite what Rice says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 And an ambassador wrote a book claiming Bush didn't even know that Islam is divided into two sects before invading Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Anthony Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 And an ambassador wrote a book claiming Bush didn't even know that Islam is divided into two sects before invading Iraq. Maybe the reluctance to call this a "civil war" in Iraq comes from the fact that the Shia are fighting the Sunni. Perception is everything. What side of this civil war is the U.S.A. on? the Shia (Hezbollah is Shia)? or the Sunni (Saddam Hussein is Sunni)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Maybe the reluctance to call this a "civil war" in Iraq comes from the fact that the Shia are fighting the Sunni. Perception is everything. What side of this civil war is the U.S.A. on? the Shia (Hezbollah is Shia)? or the Sunni (Saddam Hussein is Sunni)? Not exactly the position they thought they'be in last year. The generals were squirming in their seats when Senator McCain was grilling them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060807/ap_on_...WtkBHNlYwM3MTg- More Americans than ever believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 Latest polling numbers for Iraq. 60% of Americans oppose the war. http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/09/iraq.poll/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 Heavy casualaties continue in Iraq. http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/200...pter-crash.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 More talk of civil war in Iraq after after another brutal day. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14302066/ Maybe if the United States sent in a million troops, all would be well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Maybe if the United States sent in a million troops, all would be well. Or 100 times worse. Hard to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Or 100 times worse. Hard to say. I was being a bit obtuse there. I don't know if a million troops would have been possible without a draft. Certainly, the predicton that the end result of Saddam being removed might be a civil war was too easily dismissed by Bush and his people. It was just another thing in a long line of things that they underestimated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/21/iraq.poll/index.html Latest poll on Bush and Iraq from CNN. Bush talked about Iraq today and said it is "frustrating." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14450808/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySeinfeld Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Civil war?With security experts reporting that no major road in the country was safe to travel, some Iraq specialists speculated that the Sunni insurgency was effectively encircling the capital and trying to cut it off from the north, south and west, where there are entrenched Sunni communities. East of Baghdad is a mostly unpopulated desert bordering on Iran."It's just political rhetoric to say we are not in a civil war. We've been in a civil war for a long time," said Pat Lang, the former top Middle East intelligence official at the Pentagon. Let 'em go at it for awhile - US needs to replenish and retool for more battles to come. Meantime we need to plan the airstrikes of Iran...This is gettin' good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbie Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 You folks still think removing the impotent Saddam was a wise decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 Let 'em go at it for awhile - US needs to replenish and retool for more battles to come.Meantime we need to plan the airstrikes of Iran...This is gettin' good. Are you in the U.S. Airforce? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Marines have to use invoulntary call-up for Iraq and Afghanistan. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14468245/ Bush worries about civil war. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/21082006/6/n-us...-civil-war.html Could this signal a pull-out before mid-term electons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Let 'em go at it for awhile - US needs to replenish and retool for more battles to come. Meantime we need to plan the airstrikes of Iran...This is gettin' good. Are you in the U.S. Airforce? I'm sure he's just a parents' basement chickenhawk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Civil war? With security experts reporting that no major road in the country was safe to travel, some Iraq specialists speculated that the Sunni insurgency was effectively encircling the capital and trying to cut it off from the north, south and west, where there are entrenched Sunni communities. East of Baghdad is a mostly unpopulated desert bordering on Iran."It's just political rhetoric to say we are not in a civil war. We've been in a civil war for a long time," said Pat Lang, the former top Middle East intelligence official at the Pentagon. Let 'em go at it for awhile - US needs to replenish and retool for more battles to come. Meantime we need to plan the airstrikes of Iran...This is gettin' good. And this is what is called FREEDOM. Yeah sure let them kill each other off. Sure let them go to civil war and look retarded because you wanted to bring them freedom and peace. What did you bring them? Over 10 years of sanctions prior to the swift 'Mission not so Accomplished'. Violence getting worse almost on a daily basis. Can one be proud of that? Bush will play it off as, well DAMN SON, we tried to bring them peace and freedom but they keep choosing to beat each other up. Why get in the middle of this mess. Good time and reason to pull out. But Bush says he is not backing out. So prepare for worse things to come. Freedom costs a buck-0-five! Either this was all deliberate and planned, or the US government and intelligence agencies are the most incompetent on the planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted August 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 And this is what is called FREEDOM. Yeah sure let them kill each other off. Sure let them go to civil war and look retarded because you wanted to bring them freedom and peace. What did you bring them? Over 10 years of sanctions prior to the swift 'Mission not so Accomplished'. Violence getting worse almost on a daily basis. Can one be proud of that? Bush will play it off as, well DAMN SON, we tried to bring them peace and freedom but they keep choosing to beat each other up. Why get in the middle of this mess. Good time and reason to pull out. But Bush says he is not backing out. So prepare for worse things to come. Don't you know, GH? The new meme from the right is we tried to give them freedom, but the ignorant wogs didn't want it (which is ironic, considering how many righties would meet questions about the feasability of uilding democracy in Iraq with statements like "What, you think Iraqis don't deserve democracy? Are you some kinda racist?"). No mention is made of how the invasion and occupation contributed to the civil war, no siree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 Another Republican lined up for a pull out. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/25/ira...s.ap/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 You folks still think removing the impotent Saddam was a wise decision? It was a good idea, very poorly executed. If I was to find myself back in time, as President Argus, I would still go for it. I would fire Rumsfeld first, use a lot more troops properly prepared, and have a well-developed plan for what I'd do when I won. I'd also have been feeling out senior Iraqi generals, and would offer them, before and during the fighting, to keep them on and keep their troops in place when I won. I'd move very fast to ensure order was established - no mass looting - and to set up a new government, even a puppet government, under one of the Iraqi generals, and essentially support him as he used his troops to hammer any opposition. Then I would gradually ease up on restrictions on freedoms until Iraqis learned that freedom and democracy requires compromise with the wishes and aspirations of others. As things stand now, I agree with the title of the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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