Iraq: not looking good

[GostHacked]

Iraqi troops continue to progress

*SNIP*

On top of those numbers, keep in mind that there are "178,000 trained and equipped (Iraqi) forces" and the goal, which is achievable because the US now have many more Iraqis capable of training other Iraqis, is "to have 275,000 Iraqi policemen and soldiers trained and equipped and organized into effective units" by June of next year.

So much for the "another Vietnam" mantra.

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Now

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4266304.stm

This is something that has been going on for some time. What percentage of those Iraqi forces are comprised of insurgents? You can bet some of them are even in command of other Iraqi security forces. Their security is already compromised. If the US left, then the insurgents would have a field day.

No this is not Vietnam, but it is still just as big as a mess. Guess what, looks like the Pentagon had predicted this, but you won't hear Rummy say squat about it.

[Black Dog]

It's nice to see Iraqi forces outnumbering American troops during a big operation. And there are 30,000 Iraqi troops that are "fully independent" or capable of "fighting the lead?" There are 50,000-60,000 troops that are "well trained?" Given that they essentially started from scratch, the Iraqis have come a long way.

The number of Iraqi battalions capable of combat without U.S. support has dropped from three to one.

The number of Iraqi battalions capable of combat without U.S. support has dropped from three to one, the top American commander in Iraq told Congress Thursday, prompting Republicans to question whether U.S. troops will be able to withdraw next year.

Gen. George Casey, softening his previous comments that a "fairly substantial" pull out could begin next spring and summer, told lawmakers that troops could begin coming home from Iraq next year depending on conditions during and after the upcoming elections there.

"The next 75 days are going to be critical for what happens," Casey told the Senate Armed Services Committee.

The Bush administration says training Iraqi security forces to defend their own country is the key to bringing home U.S. troops. But Republicans pressed Casey on whether the United States was backsliding in its efforts to train Iraqis.

In June, the Pentagon told lawmakers that three Iraqi battalions were fully trained, equipped and capable of operating independently. On Thursday, Casey said only one battalion is ready.

A battalion, by the way, is roughly 300 to 1,000 men.

Is this progress?

Sgt. Hunter Sabin has spent a fair amount of time near the Iraqi troops, and said that while they were getting better, they were still far from ready.

"I was up in a guard tower outside the FOB (base) and a group of IP (Iraqi police) came up and offered us hash and whiskey," said Sabin, a 26-year-old sniper from Richmond, Va., who was in a Ranger special operations unit during the 2003 invasion. "That's who's protecting the people."

Hendricks taught a sniper's training course to a select group of Iraqi soldiers, but stuck to marksmanship.

"I haven't taught them tactics because they're infiltrated," Hendricks said. "It's like going to a party where you don't know anybody, but somebody in the room - you don't know who - wants to kill you."

[Black Dog]

Zarqawi group emergeing as self-sustaining guerrilla army

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's network of al Qaeda-linked insurgents is emerging as a self-sustaining force, despite repeated blows by U.S. forces and the reported death of his second-in-command, U.S. intelligence officials and other experts say.

The Zarqawi network, responsible for some of the Iraqi insurgency's bloodiest attacks, has grown into a loose confederation of mainly native Iraqis trained by former Baath Party regime officers in explosives, small arms, rockets and surface-to-air missiles.

Since U.S. counter-insurgency assaults forced many of its operatives to exit Iraq's cities, counterterrorism officials say al Qaeda has been trying to set up a safe haven for training and command operations in western Anbar province.

"The suggestion is that this has shifted from being a terrorist network to a guerrilla army," said Vali Nasr, a national security affairs expert at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California.

"If this were not checked, the insurgents would become not only militarily more powerful, but politically more powerful. We're definitely trying to deny that milestone to Zarqawi."

Of course I'm not convinced Zarqawi is as potent a force, or if there is such an army, what his connections to it could be. I mean, hell: U.S. intelligence doesn't even know how many legs the guy is has...

[masterkush]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...08/ixworld.html

Bush and blair may be called up on war crimes

the neocon nazis and blair are loosing support fast

its unraveling at break neck speed

[Black Dog]

Just checking on how things are going in the Democratic Paradise of Iraq....

Blast damages Shiite holy site

large explosion heavily damaged the golden dome of one of Iraq's most revered Shiite shrines Wednesday, spawning mass protests and sparking reprisal attacks against Sunni mosques. It was the third major attack against Shiite targets this week and threatened to stoke sectarian tensions.

Shiite leaders called for calm, but militants attacked Sunni mosques and a gunfight broke out between Shiite militiamen and guards at the offices of a Sunni political party in Basra. About 500 soldiers were sent to Sunni neighbourhoods in Baghdad to prevent clashes between Shiites and Sunnis, army Capt. Jassim al-Wahash said.

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The Interior Ministry said four men, one wearing a military uniform and three in black, entered the mosque early Wednesday and detonated two bombs, one of which collapsed the dome into a crumbly mess and damaged part of the northern wall of the shrine.

Dozens of Sunni mosques attacked

BAGHDAD Shiite protesters attacked dozens of Sunni mosques throughout Iraq on Wednesday in retaliation for the bombing of one of Shiite Islam's holiest shrines, police, witnesses and political groups said.

The Iraqi Islamic Party, the country's largest Sunni political group, said at least 60 mosques were attacked, burned or taken over by Shiites.

Iraqi Police Tied to Death Squads

A 1,500-member Iraqi police force with close ties to Shiite militia groups has emerged as a focus of investigations into suspected death squads working within the country's Interior Ministry.

Iraq's national highway patrol was established largely to stave off insurgent attacks on roadways. But U.S. military officials, interviewed over the last several days, say they suspect the patrol of being deeply involved in illegal detentions, torture and extrajudicial killings.

But...but...but...they voted on a Constitution. They're a democracy.

[scribblet]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...08/ixworld.html

Bush and blair may be called up on war crimes

the neocon nazis and blair are loosing support fast

its unraveling at break neck speed

Anyone who uses the terms 'neocon nazis' etc. immediatly loses all credibility.

[margrace]

Just checking on how things are going in the Democratic Paradise of Iraq....

Blast damages Shiite holy site

large explosion heavily damaged the golden dome of one of Iraq's most revered Shiite shrines Wednesday, spawning mass protests and sparking reprisal attacks against Sunni mosques. It was the third major attack against Shiite targets this week and threatened to stoke sectarian tensions.

Shiite leaders called for calm, but militants attacked Sunni mosques and a gunfight broke out between Shiite militiamen and guards at the offices of a Sunni political party in Basra. About 500 soldiers were sent to Sunni neighbourhoods in Baghdad to prevent clashes between Shiites and Sunnis, army Capt. Jassim al-Wahash said.

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The Interior Ministry said four men, one wearing a military uniform and three in black, entered the mosque early Wednesday and detonated two bombs, one of which collapsed the dome into a crumbly mess and damaged part of the northern wall of the shrine.

Dozens of Sunni mosques attacked

BAGHDAD Shiite protesters attacked dozens of Sunni mosques throughout Iraq on Wednesday in retaliation for the bombing of one of Shiite Islam's holiest shrines, police, witnesses and political groups said.

The Iraqi Islamic Party, the country's largest Sunni political group, said at least 60 mosques were attacked, burned or taken over by Shiites.

Iraqi Police Tied to Death Squads

A 1,500-member Iraqi police force with close ties to Shiite militia groups has emerged as a focus of investigations into suspected death squads working within the country's Interior Ministry.

Iraq's national highway patrol was established largely to stave off insurgent attacks on roadways. But U.S. military officials, interviewed over the last several days, say they suspect the patrol of being deeply involved in illegal detentions, torture and extrajudicial killings.

But...but...but...they voted on a Constitution. They're a democracy.

Of coarse they are a democracy, Bush's type of democracy where he is desperately selling off huge tracks of lumber on protected lands to raise money for his illegal war. Of course they are a democracy the same as the conservative governments act against the native peopls at Iperwash under the Harris government. Of course it is a democracy just like the one we have now in Canada.

[scribblet]

Just checking on how things are going in the Democratic Paradise of Iraq....

Blast damages Shiite holy site

large explosion heavily damaged the golden dome of one of Iraq's most revered Shiite shrines Wednesday, spawning mass protests and sparking reprisal attacks against Sunni mosques. It was the third major attack against Shiite targets this week and threatened to stoke sectarian tensions.

Shiite leaders called for calm, but militants attacked Sunni mosques and a gunfight broke out between Shiite militiamen and guards at the offices of a Sunni political party in Basra. About 500 soldiers were sent to Sunni neighbourhoods in Baghdad to prevent clashes between Shiites and Sunnis, army Capt. Jassim al-Wahash said.

...

The Interior Ministry said four men, one wearing a military uniform and three in black, entered the mosque early Wednesday and detonated two bombs, one of which collapsed the dome into a crumbly mess and damaged part of the northern wall of the shrine.

Dozens of Sunni mosques attacked

BAGHDAD Shiite protesters attacked dozens of Sunni mosques throughout Iraq on Wednesday in retaliation for the bombing of one of Shiite Islam's holiest shrines, police, witnesses and political groups said.

The Iraqi Islamic Party, the country's largest Sunni political group, said at least 60 mosques were attacked, burned or taken over by Shiites.

Iraqi Police Tied to Death Squads

A 1,500-member Iraqi police force with close ties to Shiite militia groups has emerged as a focus of investigations into suspected death squads working within the country's Interior Ministry.

Iraq's national highway patrol was established largely to stave off insurgent attacks on roadways. But U.S. military officials, interviewed over the last several days, say they suspect the patrol of being deeply involved in illegal detentions, torture and extrajudicial killings.

But...but...but...they voted on a Constitution. They're a democracy.

Of coarse they are a democracy, Bush's type of democracy where he is desperately selling off huge tracks of lumber on protected lands to raise money for his illegal war. Of course they are a democracy the same as the conservative governments act against the native peopls at Iperwash under the Harris government. Of course it is a democracy just like the one we have now in Canada.

Which has exactly what, to do with this topic?

Of course it is their own form of democracy, somewhat coarse at the moment, but its a start. Too bad one group prefers a civil war to democratic methods of change.

[Shakeyhands]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...08/ixworld.html

Bush and blair may be called up on war crimes

the neocon nazis and blair are loosing support fast

its unraveling at break neck speed

Anyone who uses the terms 'neocon nazis' etc. immediatly loses all credibility.

Funny.. I feel the same about Far Left Wing and Activist Judges and MSM.. just a side note.

[geoffrey]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...08/ixworld.html

Bush and blair may be called up on war crimes

the neocon nazis and blair are loosing support fast

its unraveling at break neck speed

Anyone who uses the terms 'neocon nazis' etc. immediatly loses all credibility.

Funny.. I feel the same about Far Left Wing and Activist Judges and MSM.. just a side note.

Last time I checked those 'neo-cons' were pretty pro-Israel and pro-Jew so I really dont' see the 'nazi' connection. Stupidity and ignorance abound.

Last time I checked, the there is such thing as MSM. Biased or not, it exists. Whereas neocon nazi's is in itself an oxymorn. The far left also exists, its called this ooolld word no one speaks of anymore... 'communism.' People miss use these terms yes, but neocon nazi's just simply cannot exist!

[scribblet]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...08/ixworld.html

Bush and blair may be called up on war crimes

the neocon nazis and blair are loosing support fast

its unraveling at break neck speed

Anyone who uses the terms 'neocon nazis' etc. immediatly loses all credibility.

Funny.. I feel the same about Far Left Wing and Activist Judges and MSM.. just a side note.

I don't get the connection and how it relates to my statement.

[Black Dog]

It's not exactly losing Cronkite, but Bill O'Reilly now believes the U.S. should "hand over everything to the Iraqis as fast as humanly possible."

This is the guy who, as of last September, stated "If we cut and run outta there...we would be putting every American in a thousand times more jeopardy than they're in now."

[GostHacked]

It's not exactly losing Cronkite, but Bill O'Reilly now believes the U.S. should "hand over everything to the Iraqis as fast as humanly possible."

This is the guy who, as of last September, stated "If we cut and run outta there...we would be putting every American in a thousand times more jeopardy than they're in now."

Wow those guys are flippin and floppin like Kerry. At least they are staying the course, their resolve is solid. Now if we can only get a 'dean scream' and have them fade into the background, but not after a serious flogging for being idiots.

To harsh?

[PocketRocket]

O'Reilly's link included the quote "there are so many nuts in the country -- so many crazies -- that we can't control them".

"Control them"

Isn't democracy all about giving them the opportunity to control themselves???

I think O'Reilly's choice of words was a bit of a Freudian slip betraying his belief in a larger agenda than simply delivering democracy.

[Shady]

It's sad to see so many on the "compassionate" left rooting for a "civil war" in Iraq. Unfortunately, when one's hatred for a single individual (President Bush) exceeds all logic and reason, these types of things tend to happen. I wish you all well in your recovery.

Friedman: Iraqi Violence Reflects Al-Qaeda Realization "In Some Ways They're Losing"

Friedman's response to Gibson's query as to who would want to bomb the mosque was fascinating, as it suggested that not only has Iraq become the climactic battleground of the war against terrorism and Al-Qaeda, but that the current wave of violence may reflect Al-Qaeda's perception that it is losing the battle.

Friedman:

"People have often asked why has there been no terrorism in the United States since 9/11 and my answer to them is my answer to you. I believe Al Qaeda . . . their main focus right now is to defeat us in the very heart of their world. Their focus right now is on defeating us in Iraq. After all, they want to control the Middle East. They're not interested in controlling Las Vegas.

"They know if they defeat America in the heart of their world, the resonance that will have is enormous. In contrast, if we defeat them in the heart of their world in collaboration with other arabs and Muslims by putting together some kind of decent democracy there, it will be a terrible defeat. So what you're seeing is in many way acts of unspeakable violence. I mean, going into one of the most prominent Shiite shrines, the reason they're doing it is -- that in some ways they're losing. The closer we get to producing a decent outcome there, the crazier our opponents are going to get because they know if they lose it's strategic."

Link

I agree 100%. This recent attack is proof, beyond a shadow of a doubt that the forces of evil in Iraq are losing, and feel it's necessary to take drastic measures to derail the process, before they lose for good. And the only support they seem to be getting now, is from the kook-left, in which this thread is a perfect example.

[Black Dog]

Friedman: Iraqi Violence Reflects Al-Qaeda Realization "In Some Ways They're Losing"

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I agree 100%. This recent attack is proof, beyond a shadow of a doubt that the forces of evil in Iraq are losing, and feel it's necessary to take drastic measures to derail the process, before they lose for good. And the only support they seem to be getting now, is from the kook-left, in which this thread is a perfect example.

This isn't the first time American pro-war pundits have made grave pronouncements abouty the impending demise of the Iraqi insurgency. Those "dead enders" have been in there "last throes" for years now, and it doesn't seem like they are quite ready to give up the ghost. So you'll forgive me for taking thi slatest report with a huge grain of salt.

It's sad to see so many on the "compassionate" left rooting for a "civil war" in Iraq. Unfortunately, when one's hatred for a single individual (President Bush) exceeds all logic and reason, these types of things tend to happen. I wish you all well in your recovery.

Civil war was a predictable consequensce of the U.S. invasion. At the time, antiwar types like yours truly cited the fracticious nature of Iraqi society as a reason why the whole "democracy" experiment wouldn't work. Of course, the warmonger crowd tut-tutted such concerns. And of course, now that it looks like yet another dire prediction is coming to pass, the right immediately resorts to personal attacks.

[Black Dog]

"One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed": Buckley

Of course, he still can't quite bring himself to admit that an endeavour rooted in a messanic ideal is doomed to failure from the word go.

[Black Dog]

"We have not had a serious three-year effort to fight a war in Iraq.": Kristol

It's interesting to watch the conservative establishment turn against the war in Iraq and cast about for people to blame. Kristol (another of the conservative movement's leading lights) blames Rumsfeld and the military for the war's failure. Others have trotted out their own version of the dolchstosslegende; that the U.S military and Bush administration was undermined by the liberal media and traitorious domestic political opponents. Completely abscence is any ackowledgement of their own resposibility for a war the cheered and championed from the get go. Personal responsibility: another conservative principle sacrificed at the alter of thr War on Terra.

[Black Dog]

We wanna come home: U.S troops

An overwhelming majority of 72% of American troops serving in Iraq think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year, and nearly one in four say the troops should leave immediately, a new Le Moyne College/Zogby International survey shows.

The poll, conducted in conjunction with Le Moyne College’s Center for Peace and Global Studies, showed that 29% of the respondents, serving in various branches of the armed forces, said the U.S. should leave Iraq “immediately,” while another 22% said they should leave in the next six months. Another 21% said troops should be out between six and 12 months, while 23% said they should stay “as long as they are needed.”

But here's where it gets stupid:

The wide-ranging poll also shows that 58% of those serving in country say the U.S. mission in Iraq is clear in their minds, while 42% said it is either somewhat or very unclear to them, that they have no understanding of it at all, or are unsure. While 85% said the U.S. mission is mainly “to retaliate for Saddam’s role in the 9-11 attacks,” 77% said they also believe the main or a major reason for the war was “to stop Saddam from protecting al Qaeda in Iraq.”

Ye gods.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Black Dog,

But here's where it gets stupid:

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The wide-ranging poll also shows that 58% of those serving in country say the U.S. mission in Iraq is clear in their minds, while 42% said it is either somewhat or very unclear to them, that they have no understanding of it at all, or are unsure. While 85% said the U.S. mission is mainly “to retaliate for Saddam’s role in the 9-11 attacks,” 77% said they also believe the main or a major reason for the war was “to stop Saddam from protecting al Qaeda in Iraq.”

Ye gods.

Careful, someone might trot out a 'news report' from 'Newsmax' or the 'Debka Files' saying that they have proof Saddam moved his WMDs to his 'Super-Duper secret Moon Base' in "Operation Baba Ghanoush".

[Montgomery Burns]

It's not exactly losing Cronkite, but Bill O'Reilly now believes the U.S. should "hand over everything to the Iraqis as fast as humanly possible."

This is the guy who, as of last September, stated "If we cut and run outta there...we would be putting every American in a thousand times more jeopardy than they're in now."

So what? O'Reilly is a pundit and does not speak for Republicans.

[Montgomery Burns]

Just checking on how things are going in the Democratic Paradise of Iraq....

Blast damages Shiite holy site

large explosion heavily damaged the golden dome of one of Iraq's most revered Shiite shrines Wednesday, spawning mass protests and sparking reprisal attacks against Sunni mosques. It was the third major attack against Shiite targets this week and threatened to stoke sectarian tensions.

Shiite leaders called for calm, but militants attacked Sunni mosques and a gunfight broke out between Shiite militiamen and guards at the offices of a Sunni political party in Basra. About 500 soldiers were sent to Sunni neighbourhoods in Baghdad to prevent clashes between Shiites and Sunnis, army Capt. Jassim al-Wahash said.

...

The Interior Ministry said four men, one wearing a military uniform and three in black, entered the mosque early Wednesday and detonated two bombs, one of which collapsed the dome into a crumbly mess and damaged part of the northern wall of the shrine.

Dozens of Sunni mosques attacked

BAGHDAD Shiite protesters attacked dozens of Sunni mosques throughout Iraq on Wednesday in retaliation for the bombing of one of Shiite Islam's holiest shrines, police, witnesses and political groups said.

The Iraqi Islamic Party, the country's largest Sunni political group, said at least 60 mosques were attacked, burned or taken over by Shiites.

Iraqi Police Tied to Death Squads

A 1,500-member Iraqi police force with close ties to Shiite militia groups has emerged as a focus of investigations into suspected death squads working within the country's Interior Ministry.

Iraq's national highway patrol was established largely to stave off insurgent attacks on roadways. But U.S. military officials, interviewed over the last several days, say they suspect the patrol of being deeply involved in illegal detentions, torture and extrajudicial killings.

But...but...but...they voted on a Constitution. They're a democracy.

Here's some more for you to read:

US military denies Iraq on brink of civil war

Sunnis and Sadr's Shiites make peace

Baghdad Is Calm After Days of Sectarian Violence

I even used liberal news sources, since LionusFleaBag seems to be suggesting that conservative sources are somehow inferior...

Oh Dear. Once agin, the Left's "civil war" fantasy turns into a wet dream.

Don't these "liberated" Iraqis know better? It's been 3 years already and they still refuse to engage in a civil war! Instead they are experimenting with trivial things like "elections" and "democracy" and writing "constitutions".

Ingrates!

[Riverwind]

Oh Dear. Once agin, the Left's "civil war" fantasy turns into a wet dream.

I actually agree. I think that if the US pulled it troops out completely and closed all of the bases that the Iraqis would figure something out. However, as long as US troops are in Iraq you will see violance because there are too many Iraqis that see US troops as a sign of a military occupation by a foreign power.

[Montgomery Burns]

We wanna come home: U.S troops

An overwhelming majority of 72% of American troops serving in Iraq think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year, and nearly one in four say the troops should leave immediately, a new Le Moyne College/Zogby International survey shows.

The poll, conducted in conjunction with Le Moyne College’s Center for Peace and Global Studies, showed that 29% of the respondents, serving in various branches of the armed forces, said the U.S. should leave Iraq “immediately,” while another 22% said they should leave in the next six months. Another 21% said troops should be out between six and 12 months, while 23% said they should stay “as long as they are needed.”

But here's where it gets stupid:

The wide-ranging poll also shows that 58% of those serving in country say the U.S. mission in Iraq is clear in their minds, while 42% said it is either somewhat or very unclear to them, that they have no understanding of it at all, or are unsure. While 85% said the U.S. mission is mainly “to retaliate for Saddam’s role in the 9-11 attacks,” 77% said they also believe the main or a major reason for the war was “to stop Saddam from protecting al Qaeda in Iraq.”

Ye gods.

1) 72% of the troops want to go home within 10 months? They want to leave Iraq and go home to their wives and children within the next 10 months? I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya.

2) Perhaps they agree with Judge Harold Baer's court decision...

And Saddam's Iraq was a virtual haven for assorted terrorists, including Al Qaedans like Zarqawi and Abdul Rahman Yasin--wanted for the 1993 and a terrorist wanted in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing

Once again Black Dog misses the nail and hits his thumb.

[Black Dog]

Oh Dear. Once agin, the Left's "civil war" fantasy turns into a wet dream.

Toll in Iraq's Deadly Surge: 1,300

That was as of Tuesday. But things have quieted down, right? Eh, no.

Baghdad blast kills 36

The explosion during the busy morning shopping period at a vegetable market in Baghdad's southeastern Zafaraniyah neighborhood killed at least eight people and wounded 14, said police Lt. Bilal Ali Majid. Police evacuated the market after finding a second bomb.

Another bomb exploded in a minibus traveling through Sadr City, a Shiite ghetto in east Baghdad, killing five people and wounding 10, police said. A fourth device went off as Shiite-dominated Interior Ministry commandos drove through the mostly Sunni Amariyah neighborhood in western Baghdad, killing one of them and injuring three, police said.

Earlier, gunmen attacked a joint police-army checkpoint about 20 miles north of Samarra, killing six soldiers and four policemen, police said. The attackers set fire to the bodies before fleeing the area, he said.

Four more policemen were killed when gunmen intercepted they vehicle in Mosul, 225 miles northwest of Baghdad, said police Brig. Abdel Hamid al-Jbouri. And police found the bodies of five men apparently shot to death in and around Baghdad on Thursday.

Of course the response from Bush and his followers: "La la: we're not listening."

Don't these "liberated" Iraqis know better? It's been 3 years already and they still refuse to engage in a civil war! Instead they are experimenting with trivial things like "elections" and "democracy" and writing "constitutions".

Except they are fighting a civil war.

1) 72% of the troops want to go home within 10 months? They want to leave Iraq and go home to their wives and children within the next 10 months? I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya.

Meanwhile at home, Bush's numbers are in the tank and public opinion on Iraq is headed down. As previously noted, conservative pundits are jumping ship. Soon the only people left believing in this enterprise will be Elite Force George W. Bush action figure strokers like you.

2) Perhaps they agree with Judge Harold Baer's court decision...

And Saddam's Iraq was a virtual haven for assorted terrorists, including Al Qaedans like Zarqawi and Abdul Rahman Yasin--wanted for the 1993 and a terrorist wanted in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing

Can anyone take a source seriously that still propigates the old Atta in Pargue chestnut? (I also find it interesting that you've never-and this argument has been going on for a couple of years now-answered the simple question that if this "evidence" is solid, why has it gone uninvestigated by an administration with an obvious interest in coming up with something?)

Here's something that should be right up your alley, Conspiracy Boy: The Israeli Connection to 9-11.