punked Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 Almost doesn't count...union dues are mandatory. So brave! Although donating to my labour council, the Health Coalition and organizations isn't. Neither is being a Co-op member, or banking at a credit union. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 Although donating to my labour council, the Health Coalition and organizations isn't. Neither is being a Co-op member, or banking at a credit union. So what....you can be a commie on your own time, but they don't give out medals for that. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 So what....you can be a commie on your own time, but they don't give out medals for that. Really wasn't the point Bush I was pointing out there are plenty of people who think we can get farther uniting then by dividing. I am not a communist or a socialist BTW. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) Really wasn't the point Bush I was pointing out there are plenty of people who think we can get farther uniting then by dividing. I am not a communist or a socialist BTW. OK....they just can't seem to build their own big-box retail centers, vertical supply chains, or working capital. Seems they have to rely on OPM for this....OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY !!!!!! Edited November 30, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 OK....they just can't seem to build their own big-box retail centers, vertical supply chains, or working capital. Seems they have to rely on OPM for this....OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY !!!!!! Who can't there are co-ops for everything. Quote
Shady Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 Wal-Mart closing a unionized store in Quebec is just another example of Unions destroying the industries or businesses that provide for them. As well as destroying the members they're suppose to be helping. Where ever you find a dying industry, or dying business, you'll find a union close by. Quote
Argus Posted December 1, 2009 Report Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) Wal-Mart closing a unionized store in Quebec is just another example of Unions destroying the industries or businesses that provide for them. As well as destroying the members they're suppose to be helping. Where ever you find a dying industry, or dying business, you'll find a union close by. Nonsense. Wal-Mart didn't close any stores because it couldn't operate profitably with a union. It closed them as a lesson to employees in its other stores not to unionize. In any event, the more Wal-mart closures the better. BTW, would you care to have a shot at blaming unions for the demise of Nortel? Edited December 1, 2009 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
madmax Posted December 1, 2009 Report Posted December 1, 2009 Nonsense. Wal-Mart didn't close any stores because it couldn't operate profitably with a union. It closed them as a lesson to employees in its other stores not to unionize. Wal-mart traditionally closes any operation that unionizes. It has nothing to do with profitablity and I am aware of them closing non unionized operations that weren't pulling in the numbers. If a Walmart unionizes, it will be closed regardless of profits at that location. Consider it Wal-Mart policy.In any event, the more Wal-mart closures the better. LOL your wish has been granted...If you have a Walmart in your area or one is moving in, contact the UFCW and get them to organize it early. That should meet your long term goal. BTW, would you care to have a shot at Nortel ... You have a problem with this??? Nortel puts bonuses into more executives' handsDecember 1, 2009 — 12:41am ET | By Sean Buckley Free newsletter via e-mail Related Stories Mike Zafirovski, Former CEO of Nortel - Top Telecom Turkeys of 2009 Hunting for telecom turkeys Nortel stems the bleeding a bit in Q3 As its remaining employees face an uncertain future, it seems insulting that Nortel is going to hand out more bonus money to even more executives. In the latest installment of the Nortel bonus saga--one that was given the green light in the fall--Nortel will pay an aggregate of 72 higher-ups a total of $7.5 million. Through this process, Nortel will be handing out $500,000 or more each to 14 executives. Included in this group is company treasurer John Doolittle, an executive that has had the daunting task of running the company since former CEO Mike Zafirovski finally left the company. Adding even more insult to injury, Zafirovski's presence continues to loom over Nortel as he remains a creditor with a $12 million claim. Read more: http://www.fiercetelecom.com/story/nortel-puts-bonuses-more-executives-hands/2009-11-30#ixzz0YSPkv5Is Quote
Shady Posted December 1, 2009 Report Posted December 1, 2009 Nonsense. Wal-Mart didn't close any stores because it couldn't operate profitably with a union. Not initially. But they know that down the line proitability at that particular store would have become a problem. One just has to examine pretty much every unionized industry. It closed them as a lesson to employees in its other stores not to unionize. Exactly. Because long-term, they know that unionization of their business is bad news for the success and survivability of the company. Quote
Jack Weber Posted December 3, 2009 Report Posted December 3, 2009 I think Shady is a CLAC member!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
blueblood Posted December 4, 2009 Report Posted December 4, 2009 Not initially. But they know that down the line proitability at that particular store would have become a problem. One just has to examine pretty much every unionized industry. Exactly. Because long-term, they know that unionization of their business is bad news for the success and survivability of the company. Take a look at the income statement from Walmart. In 2006, it has gross sales of 312.5 billion dollars and a net income of only 11.2 billion dollars. That tells me they run that business razor thin. Unionization would have a big chance of running Walmart into the ground. Tampering with their gross profit percentages even by a half of a percent costs/makes the company at least a billion dollars. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Mr.Canada Posted December 9, 2009 Report Posted December 9, 2009 I am a Tory and I hate WalMart. I never shop there and hope they all close and leave Canada. They treat their employees poorly and pay them even worse. They destroy local businesses only to further their own money machine. Local businesses would put the money back into the local economy while Wal Mart ships their money to the USA. When will Canada wake up and buy Canadian first? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Argus Posted December 9, 2009 Report Posted December 9, 2009 Take a look at the income statement from Walmart. In 2006, it has gross sales of 312.5 billion dollars and a net income of only 11.2 billion dollars. That tells me they run that business razor thin. Unionization would have a big chance of running Walmart into the ground. Tampering with their gross profit percentages even by a half of a percent costs/makes the company at least a billion dollars. My heart bleeds for them. If Costco can make money then I fail to see how Wal-mart is just scraping by while paying its employees half as much as Costco does. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Jerry J. Fortin Posted December 9, 2009 Report Posted December 9, 2009 They pay what they have to pay and not a penny more. Just like the consumer does. People do work there because they accept the wages and conditions of employment, they were not conscripted. Wal-Mart sells junk, and people buy it. Quote
M.Dancer Posted December 9, 2009 Report Posted December 9, 2009 Wal-Mart sells junk, and people buy it. They also swell the brand name items that people want, for less than you will pay for at another big box. We bought a Poloroid digital camera for our daughter for her birthday. It's quite sophiticated, allowing you to play with fstop, etc...for just over $80. Elsewhere it was over $95... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Jerry J. Fortin Posted December 9, 2009 Report Posted December 9, 2009 They also swell the brand name items that people want, for less than you will pay for at another big box. We bought a Poloroid digital camera for our daughter for her birthday. It's quite sophiticated, allowing you to play with fstop, etc...for just over $80. Elsewhere it was over $95... Probably explains their success at business don't you think? Granted when they come to town a lot of small business folds up and retires, but the bottom line is still the consumer. Quote
bjre Posted December 9, 2009 Report Posted December 9, 2009 They pay what they have to pay and not a penny more. Just like the consumer does. People do work there because they accept the wages and conditions of employment, they were not conscripted. Wal-Mart sells junk, and people buy it. Why people prefer buy "junk"? What is wrong in this rich nation? Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Jerry J. Fortin Posted December 9, 2009 Report Posted December 9, 2009 Why people prefer buy "junk"? What is wrong in this rich nation? Greed, apathy, the standards for an "enlightened" society. Quote
bjre Posted December 9, 2009 Report Posted December 9, 2009 Greed, apathy, the standards for an "enlightened" society. It must be the legal system, the education system and the media that made people like that. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
blueblood Posted December 9, 2009 Report Posted December 9, 2009 My heart bleeds for them. If Costco can make money then I fail to see how Wal-mart is just scraping by while paying its employees half as much as Costco does. Because Walmart has an obligation to its shareholders to run its business as efficiently as possible. Walmart also doesn't have a cover charge for shopping there either. If your a shareholder, wouldn't it be nice if your company could find a legal way to earn an extra billion dollars? Apparently if you had a lot of shares in Walmart, you did alright during the recession. If Walmart decided to raise its costs of production by allowing a union and all of their poison to set up shop, they could stand to lose billions of dollars. Which for a company that size and with that tight of margins would be disastrous. It would be like Lehman brothers (except for the financial sector collapse) - very successful to very broke. Walmart's employees are getting paid what they deserve. The service in a Walmart store is shotty at best. Call it a job for the working poor which is better than all of them going on welfare. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Argus Posted December 10, 2009 Report Posted December 10, 2009 They also swell the brand name items that people want, for less than you will pay for at another big box. We bought a Poloroid digital camera for our daughter for her birthday. It's quite sophiticated, allowing you to play with fstop, etc...for just over $80. Elsewhere it was over $95... And in other places I'm sure you'll find other things cheaper than at Wal-mart. Anyway, i think the fact Wal mart sells (generally speaking) crap, treats both employees and customers like crap, and is bad for communities makes it a good idea to avoid shopping there. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 10, 2009 Report Posted December 10, 2009 Because Walmart has an obligation to its shareholders to run its business as efficiently as possible. Walmart also doesn't have a cover charge for shopping there either. If your a shareholder, wouldn't it be nice if your company could find a legal way to earn an extra billion dollars? the working poor which is better than all of them going on welfare. Your argument seems to be that we should let big corporations screw their employees any way they can to increase profits. But what happens when that gets around to YOUR employer? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted December 10, 2009 Report Posted December 10, 2009 I don't really care. I like to shop there and I'll continue to do so. Quote
blueblood Posted December 10, 2009 Report Posted December 10, 2009 Your argument seems to be that we should let big corporations screw their employees any way they can to increase profits. But what happens when that gets around to YOUR employer? Good thing I own a business hence my tag on the side. If you don't want to take the risk of owning a business, then your copping out to a wage. And a lot of the time, wages are not what people agree with; that's the price to pay for taking the easy way out. Any employer worth his salt pays his employees as less as they can before they go and find work elsewhere. Your argument seems that we should screw over shareholders so that employees can drive down the retained earnings of a company. Walmart is not the federal government, they don't have a gun to people's heads demanding money. they can go out of business and have to compete very hard to ensure profitability. Their business model of having rock bottom prices ensures they have to cut costs to ensure profitability. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
blueblood Posted December 10, 2009 Report Posted December 10, 2009 I don't really care. I like to shop there and I'll continue to do so. Funny thing is I don't shop at Walmart unless its absolutely necessary, yet I'm defending it. Poor/cheap people need a place to shop to, Walmart caters to that. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
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