turningrite Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 Well, now we're seeing the Doug Ford many of thought would emerge. He's taking the axe to Toronto city council, reducing the number of wards from 47 to 25, and cancelling the regional chair elections in Peel and York. There will be a lot of unhappy campers at city hall, for sure. I'm wondering if this is also intended as a warning shot to Tory not to undermine Ford's position on the illegal/irregular migrant crisis? Tory has been negotiating separately with the federal government to resolve the refugee claimant housing crisis, with the result that many of the migrants will soon be housed in hotels. Meanwhile, our growing horde of homeless get sleeping bags and maybe a cot in a church basement on cold nights, if they're lucky. It's quite a contrast. A friend who didn't support Ford's Conservatives in the election is now saying he's quickly warming to him. I believe Ford's "I'm in charge here" move will have broader repercussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) I'm surprised at Tory. He's considering legal challenge! Tory's proving to be a grand a**hole. I'm glad Ford didn't become mayor of Toronto........and Tory didn't end up Premier of Ontario! Edited July 27, 2018 by betsy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 2 hours ago, turningrite said: Meanwhile, our growing horde of homeless get sleeping bags and maybe a cot in a church basement on cold nights, if they're lucky. Please, are we supposed to believe you people wouldn't be whining about it the government was also spending money on poor Canadians? Your concern for the poor reminds me of the sudden concern you people started displaying for LGBT communities in Islamic dictatorships. It's as phony as three dollar bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's as phony as three dollar bills. Yes, but at least there was no claim that Ford's move is actually a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, eyeball said: Your concern for the poor reminds me of the sudden concern you people started displaying for LGBT communities in Islamic dictatorships. It's as phony as three dollar bills. I dunno, a concern for people who face death or life imprisonment for who they are sounds to me a lot more legitimate than outrage over slightly controversial speakers at universities. As for spending, fiscal conservatism is entirely consistent with both points: that money spent on welfare for the poor should be spent wisely and in a way that encourages them to return to work if at all possible; and that if money is being spent on housing refugees and illegal immigrants in hotels it seems odd that they get more support than Canadians who find themselves also in need of help. No inconsistency there whatsoever. But then again, being able to see what's consistent and what's not is not something I would expect from people who are more concerned about microaggressions than about life and death situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 hours ago, turningrite said: Well, now we're seeing the Doug Ford many of thought would emerge. He's taking the axe to Toronto city council, reducing the number of wards from 47 to 25, and cancelling the regional chair elections in Peel and York. There will be a lot of unhappy campers at city hall, for sure. I'm wondering if this is also intended as a warning shot to Tory not to undermine Ford's position on the illegal/irregular migrant crisis? Tory has been negotiating separately with the federal government to resolve the refugee claimant housing crisis, with the result that many of the migrants will soon be housed in hotels. Meanwhile, our growing horde of homeless get sleeping bags and maybe a cot in a church basement on cold nights, if they're lucky. It's quite a contrast. A friend who didn't support Ford's Conservatives in the election is now saying he's quickly warming to him. I believe Ford's "I'm in charge here" move will have broader repercussions. There's talk that Ford took this action to stick it to his political opponents. Yet, he has a caucus to answer to and I doubt the majority of them share any of the personal animosity attributed to Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningrite Posted July 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) Reportedly, the mayors of some of the suburban cities in Peel and York regions are quite happy that Ford nixed the elected chair positions as they felt this would have established a powerful supermayoral role in both regions. So, reverting to the status quo suits them. And Ford gets to stick it to Patrick Brown in the process, although I have some sympathy for Brown. As for the situation in Toronto, I suspect few of Ford's ministers or backbenchers will shed many tears. A reduction in seats will likely lead to a loss of NDP/progressive voices at city hall and downtown Toronto overwhelming rejected Ford's party in the recent provincial election in any case. Provided the impact in the suburban wards is not as great, I don't think Ford will face much blowback. I agree, however, that he's likely making changes largely inspired by his own personal experiences and animosities. The outcome, however, may benefit local taxpayers. On another note, it's fascinating to see that Keesmaat entered the mayoral race against Tory. It will be interesting to see how her candidacy changes the dynamic. She's an intelligent and thoughtful person. I like Tory on a personal level (and voted for him against Ford the last time around) but wonder how much he's actually been able to accomplish. Edited July 27, 2018 by turningrite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) There was a group of councillors who support Ford's decision - they were giving a press conference and explaining why they support it. Of course, CTV cut short its live coverage, and move to liberal guest they got who simply repeated the same rhetoric they've been playing from others who are also against it. Edited July 27, 2018 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 6 hours ago, turningrite said: Well, now we're seeing the Doug Ford many of thought would emerge. He's taking the axe to Toronto city council, reducing the number of wards from 47 to 25, and cancelling the regional chair elections in Peel and York. There will be a lot of unhappy campers at city hall, for sure. I'm wondering if this is also intended as a warning shot to Tory not to undermine Ford's position on the illegal/irregular migrant crisis? Tory has been negotiating separately with the federal government to resolve the refugee claimant housing crisis, with the result that many of the migrants will soon be housed in hotels. Meanwhile, our growing horde of homeless get sleeping bags and maybe a cot in a church basement on cold nights, if they're lucky. It's quite a contrast. A friend who didn't support Ford's Conservatives in the election is now saying he's quickly warming to him. I believe Ford's "I'm in charge here" move will have broader repercussions. Good for Ford. Finally some politician who cares about Canada and Canadians first. Ford right now appears to be the Trump of Ontario and Canada. Hopefully the ax has now fallen on the liberal establishment with more chopping to happen. The lieberals have done so much damage to Ontario and Canada that I believe the non Canadian liberal party should be abolished. I hope that there will be a lot more reducing of the size of government in Ontario. It is long over due. Let the liberals cry and whine all they want too. Who cares about those intolerant and bigoted snowflakes anyway. They all deserve what they get. A boot in the butt. Isn't it so bloody sad that our own Canadian homeless people get to sleep on the streets at night while these criminal illegals get to sleep in a nice comfy bed at night. Does not anyone here see that there is something terribly wrong with this picture with all of this illegal immigration going on and is allowed to continue? Canadians who support all this illegal immigration should be ashamed of themselves. Where are all the demonstrations that should be going on out there? Where all all those SJW liberals and communists demanding that this must cease and that Canadians should be looked after first and not foreign criminals. And all this goes on and is watched by our dear bunch of stunned politically correct politicians every day who appear to be not the slightest bit concern over this. What Canada needs now more than ever is more politicians like Doug Ford who will show leadership and not cowardice and political correctness. Go, Ford, go. The Ontario people are all behind you. Drain the swamp. Works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 hours ago, betsy said: I'm surprised at Tory. He's considering legal challenge! Tory's proving to be a grand a**hole. I'm glad Ford didn't become mayor of Toronto........and Tory didn't end up Premier of Ontario! Gawd, can you imagine Liberal Tory as the Premier of Ontario? That a--hole would have finished off Ontario for good. He is just another liberal who could careless about Canada or Canadians just like the other 97% of them out there who say nothing about this illegal immigration going on. All hiding in the closet and hiding from having to say something about illegal refugee immigration. Someone needs to challenge Tory's intelligence instead!  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Yes, but at least there was no claim that Ford's move is actually a good idea. Downsizing the government is always a dam good thing to be doing for the over burdened taxpayer's of Ontario and Canada. You know the ones that are being forced to pay for the rest of the world while some Canadians sleep on streets. You liberals are all alike. Deplorable. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 hours ago, eyeball said: Please, are we supposed to believe you people wouldn't be whining about it the government was also spending money on poor Canadians? Your concern for the poor reminds me of the sudden concern you people started displaying for LGBT communities in Islamic dictatorships. It's as phony as three dollar bills. Okay, let me ask you this.Who is more important to you, illegal criminal refugees who were not born here and get to sleep in hotels at night or for Canadians who were born here and end up sleeping on the streets at night? Where and to whom do your loyalties belong too? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 minute ago, taxme said: Downsizing the government is always a dam good thing to be doing for the over burdened taxpayer's of Ontario and Canada. You know the ones that are being forced to pay for the rest of the world while some Canadians sleep on streets. You liberals are all alike. Deplorable. I agree, it seems like a bold move but Doug Ford has financial commitments to make, and has to make cuts somewhere. Not sure how much it would save in terms of money though. Secondly, since DoFo worked there as a councillor for some time I'm sure he knows about the inner workings of Toronto city council. Perhaps he knows something we don't know... like there's a lot of waste. The OP complains about DoFo, but in the same opening complains that Toronto homeless get to live in the streets, while so-called refugee influx from the US is being set up in hotels and holiday resorts, along wit all the trimmins... clothing, health care, dental. We continue to ignore the plight of the homeless. Why? Doesn't score identity-politics brownie points, but makes liberals feel all good inside. No problem, just walk right on by the rubby in the streets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningrite Posted July 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Yes, but at least there was no claim that Ford's move is actually a good idea. Ford's complaint that city council is an unproductive talk shop resonates with many voters. I suspect the move is intended to undermine the influence of NDP/progressive councillors and perhaps to undercut the mayor. I suspect Ford and his closest advisors are POed by the sanctuary city nonsense as well as the city's negotiations with the federal government to accommodate the irregular/illegal migrants. Logically, the mayor's approach of negotiating directly with Ottawa undermines Ford's clearly stated hardline position. I believe Ford has put council and the mayor on notice that he's in charge. Actually, I think it completely bizarre that local politicians didn't recognize that there's a new sheriff wearing the hat at Queen's Park, a fact that should have caused council and the mayor to act more cautiously. Ford called their bluff big time. Things might change as different issues emerge, but at this point I think a lot of Torontonians don't disagree with Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, turningrite said: Ford's complaint that city council is an unproductive talk shop resonates with many voters. I suspect the move is intended to undermine the influence of NDP/progressive councillors and perhaps to undercut the mayor. I suspect Ford and his closest advisors are POed by the sanctuary city nonsense as well as the city's negotiations with the federal government to accommodate the irregular/illegal migrants. Logically, the mayor's approach of negotiating directly with Ottawa undermines Ford's clearly stated hardline position. I believe Ford has put council and the mayor on notice that he's in charge. Actually, I think it completely bizarre that local politicians didn't recognize that there's a new sheriff wearing the hat at Queen's Park, a fact that should have caused council and the mayor to act more cautiously. Ford called their bluff big time. Things might change as different issues emerge, but at this point I think a lot of Torontonians don't disagree with Ford. You are either going to be with Ford or you are against him. And I think that Ford will be up against plenty of left wing liberal/socialists and the liberal; media who will be running around and looking for something bad to nail Ford on just like the liberal/democrats and the left wing liberal media are doing all the time to Trump. A conservative is always a target with the robber barons of liberalism and socialism.There will be a big fight about to ensue for Ford with those losers but hopefully Ford will take them down and shut them up. It is for sure that the media will not find any Russian collusion or porno stars in Ford's past life. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 5 hours ago, betsy said: There was a group of councillors who support Ford's decision - they were giving a press conference and explaining why they support it. Of course, CTV cut short its live coverage, and move to liberal guest they got who simply repeated the same rhetoric they've been playing from others who are also against it. The liberal media party(CBC, CTV , Global)do not want to listen to anyone who says anything that makes any kinds of common sense or logic at all. They prefer to talk to emotional and foolish talking liberal guests and prefer to listen to them and the same old liberal/NDP rhetoric. What? Them thar conservative boys and girls want to cut taxes and cut big government? That is blasphemy, boy. LOL. Yes, there is a new Sheriff in town so go get them liberals/socialists Sheriff Ford and arrest and put them all in the gulag where they belong for the crimes they have all committed against the citizenry of Ontario. Yahoo ride em cowboy. They  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 7 hours ago, taxme said: Okay, let me ask you this.Who is more important to you, illegal criminal refugees who were not born here and get to sleep in hotels at night or for Canadians who were born here and end up sleeping on the streets at night? Where and to whom do your loyalties belong too? Just curious. Earthlings. And I'm not being facetious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 11 hours ago, taxme said: 1) do not want to listen to anyone who says anything that makes any kinds of common sense or logic at all.  2) Yes, there is a new Sheriff in town so go get them liberals/socialists Sheriff Ford and arrest and put them all in the gulag where they belong  1) Restructuring Toronto's wards after an election has already started is not only unfair, it's stupid. That is to say your assertion here is similarly retarded. 2) Locking up people who don't agree with you is something you have accused snowflakes of doing, and here you are doing it. This is further evidence that you are an enemy of western traditions, democracy and anything nice and good, generally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, eyeball said: Earthlings. And I'm not being facetious.  "Earthlings"? What the hell is that suppose to mean? You have made it quite clear to me that you are not very patriotic to Canada or Canadians in need. Why you would prefer to make sure that criminal foreigners come first and Canadians can come second is dam sad indeed. Shameful. You must be one of those one world order "earthlings", eh? Being a patriotic nationalist Canadian like myself Canada and Canadians do come first. But that is just me. A true and real patriotic nationalist Canadian. And I am not being facetious either. Edited July 28, 2018 by taxme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 minute ago, taxme said:  Being a patriotic nationalist Canadian like myself Canada and Canadians do come first.  Quote ...get them liberals/socialists Sheriff Ford and arrest and put them all in the gulag where they belong  Yes, folks, as hard as it is to believe those two statements came from the same person. Here's something to note: things that are patriotic: - Western values - Pluralism - Tolerating other points of view - Freedom of association - Rule of law - Due process - Freedom of Religion A real patriot wouldn't tear down these things with each and every post (in my opinion of course). I'm muchly supportive of principled conservatism but I fear we don't have any principles in Ford's government, and your cheerleading confirms his supporters are on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: 1) Restructuring Toronto's wards after an election has already started is not only unfair, it's stupid. That is to say your assertion here is similarly retarded. 2) Locking up people who don't agree with you is something you have accused snowflakes of doing, and here you are doing it. This is further evidence that you are an enemy of western traditions, democracy and anything nice and good, generally. 1. Why is it unfair and stupid? Lots of things you say here appears retarded. Anytime you do not agree with someone else's opinion and point of view they must be retarded. Why do you do that all the time and continue to make yourself look some what retarded? Are you trying to make yourself look good and a know it all and trying to impress people here? 2. Hey, if liberal and socialist intolerant and bigoted snowflakes had their way in Canada they would lock up patriotic nationalist Canadians like me tout suite because they sure as hell do not like what I have to say. It would be the gulag for me. Liberals and socialists are the enemy of the West and it's traditions and cultures and democracy. Just look at what those two destroyers of traditions and democracy have done too and are still doing to Canada. Example. Flooding Canada with tens of thousands of legal and illegal criminal so called refugees into Canada who get to stay in hotels while Canadians in need of shelter get to sleep on the streets. How dare you say that I am an enemy of Western traditions and democracy. If treating Canadians as second class citizen's in their own country and putting criminal foreigners ahead of Canadians first is your idea of what Western traditions and democracy should look like and be all about well you are one of the reasons why Canada is doomed to fail. There is not a thing wrong with being nice but putting illegal foreigners in first place over Canadians does not work for me but it does work for communists.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Yes, folks, as hard as it is to believe those two statements came from the same person. Here's something to note: things that are patriotic: - Western values - Pluralism - Tolerating other points of view - Freedom of association - Rule of law - Due process - Freedom of Religion A real patriot wouldn't tear down these things with each and every post (in my opinion of course). I'm muchly supportive of principled conservatism but I fear we don't have any principles in Ford's government, and your cheerleading confirms his supporters are on board. 1. Your version of leftist liberal Western values. 2. I have my own views and opinions and you have yours. 3. Liberals and socialists will not tolerate others who do not agree with them. You call me retarded because of my opinions that you disagree with. When a conservative speaker is asked to speak at a university they get hassled and shouted down by liberal/socialist/communist Antifa thugs who do not want a conservative to be able to express their right to freedom of speech. It pretty much happens all the time.  Hello. 4. No-no-no. There have been many instances in Canada where conservative like minded people and have been arrested and even charged for expressing their opinions and points of view. Go to The Rebel where you will find many instances where freedom of speech is not tolerated and has been attacked by the freedom of speech loving provincial and Canadian governments. Hello. 5. There is a rule of law for some and then their is a rule of law for others. 6. Due process does not always work in Canada. In many instances it sometimes all depends on what side of the political ideology one belongs too. 7. Except for Christians. Their beliefs do not mean diddly squat anymore here in Canada. At one time Christians were allowed to express their opinions about homosexuality out in the open. Now they cannot do that and can be arrested and charged for doing so. Muslims seem to get a pass on this. Their opinions and points of view are protected. They can call for the death of all infidels and they are ignored. A real true patriotic nationalist Canadian can see what is happening in Canada today and expose it as to where freedom of speech is not fully protected. Say something that appears to be politically incorrect and you may find yourself off to the gulag. Quite with your bull chit. But I am a principled conservative. Ford just became the Mayor two weeks ago. Give the guy a chance. Just because Ford sees that the Ontario government needs a bit of a house cleaning does not mean that the guy is not principled. I know that you are sad to see Wynne go and Horvath not become the premier of Ontario but just look at what those two political party's have done to Ontario when they were in Power? Absolutely nothing. Political correctness, multiculturalism/diversity, gender screw up and pretty much have put Ontario into a deep state debt that will take decades to try and get out of if at all. Those two misfit party's raised huge amounts of taxes and destroyed freedom of speech and yet you have the nerve to say that Ford may not be the man of the hour. I think that the voters of Ontario have told people like you that they have had enough of the bs that has been going on for decades now and want a change from it all. But for some reason you still are unable to get it. Don't fear Ford, he won't bite you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, taxme said: 1. Why is it unfair and stupid? 2. Hey, if liberal and socialist intolerant and bigoted snowflakes had their way in Canada they would lock up patriotic nationalist Canadians like me tout suite because they sure as hell do not like what I have to say.  1. I already explained why: the election has started. Candidates have registered and spent money.  2. No they wouldn't. That is how you think, not the way democrats think. I support freedom, which is why I am actually a patriot and why your posts support despotism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 The long post asserts that liberals would lock up those who disagree with others, but the poster himself has called for the gulag. Really this explains why such views are held up for marginalization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. I already explained why: the election has started. Candidates have registered and spent money.  2. No they wouldn't. That is how you think, not the way democrats think. I support freedom, which is why I am actually a patriot and why your posts support despotism. 1. I do not see it as Ford is being stupid at all. Ford is showing conservatism. Downsizing government is never a stupid idea unless one is for big government. Politicians of all stripes are great at knowing how to waste tax dollars. Maybe Ford would like to fix that problem. Hey, you never know. Like I said already, give the guy a bloody chance. I mean really can Ford do any worse than what that stupid spend crazy fool of a premier did before him? I doubt that at all. A surprise for you. Ford might even be able to save taxpayer's some of their tax dollars and maybe even be able to give some of it back to the taxpayer's of Ontario. 2. Yes they would. Most liberals and socialists are communist at heart and will show no mercy for anyone who disagrees with them. Many Canadians have lost their right to their freedom of speech thanks to those so called liberals and socialists. You don't have to keep dealing with me on freedom of speech and the loss of it in Canada. Again, just go and listen too and watch what Ezra Levant of The Rebel can show you as to where this has and still is happening in Canada today. Many incidents which you obviously wish to avoid talking about. 3. I am a big supporter of freedom of speech and a true nationalist Canadian patriot and that proves you wrong that I am for despotism. My posts do not support despotism at all but your's surely appear to do so. You already appear to believe that Ford may become a despot without at least giving the guy a chance to see what he can do. You remind me of all those left wing loonie liberal/democrats in America who will not give Trump a chance to show what he can do. They just keep attacking Trump all the time because they are void of anything that appears to be associated with intelligence. Just saying. Edited July 28, 2018 by taxme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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