Faisal Hussain - the evolving story

[Rue]

www.sane.og

Above is a site that explains what I said in easy to understand terms for Eye and those of you who want to persist in misappropriating the terms psychotic and psychosis when describing violent criminals or terrorists or trying to suggest it is a diagnosis unto itself or is as Eye said based on reality.

A psychosis might bend or extend reality to a new shape of belief but it's not one that  would be based on reality but would be used to redefine reality, i.e. in its extreme form it's totally detached from  reality which was how the word psychotic was used in the past.

Today we don't use it that way, we don't use neurotic or psychotic as stand alone definitions and psychosis is seen as a variation of reality that the rest of us experience in most references.

Psychosis is not something terrorists suffer from because in fact their views acknowledge the same reality, but in fact violently imposes their set of moral and political views on others as to how to control that reality.  It is not about changing reality but unilaterally controlling it by and for terrorists. It's a form of extreme violent pack behaviour led by an alpha personality. We've moved on fro  sticks, rocks and spears to rifles, bombs, vehicles to bash the other pack to death.

Terrorists see what you and I see, but wish to control our resources including thought, in a manner they deem fit . That is the best I can do to explain it for someone like Eye who seek to white wash it to make excuses for it and reframe it as a symptom of victimhood... and to send him  to rightasrain.uwmedicine.org.

 

Edited December 31, 2018 by Rue

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, Rue said:

www.sane.og

Above is a site that explains what I said in easy to understand terms for Eye and those of you who want to persist in misappropriating the terms psychotic and psychosiscwhen describing violent criminals or terrorists or trying to suggest Itasca diagnosis unto itself or is as Eye said based on reality.

 

My personal favourite was the person who stated the belief  that all terrorists are mentally ill because why else would someone want to kill random people?

Like killing for money or in a fit of jealous rage or for religious zealotry has never happened in the history of the world before.....

It doesn't get much more apologetic than that.

[Rue]

34 minutes ago, Goddess said:

My personal favourite was the person who stated the belief  that all terrorists are mentally ill because why else would someone want to kill random people?

Like killing for money or in a fit of jealous rage or for religious zealotry has never happened in the history of the world before.....

It doesn't get much more apologetic than that.

Religion + valium = hari krishna

Religion + LSD = cults

Religion + alcohol = Christianity

Religion + overeating = Judaism

Religion + singing from towers and eating binges =  Islam

Religion + steroids = terrorism

Political correctness + guilt over being rich = leftist

Hangover + drug withdrawal = rightist

Sexual dysfunction  + penis size anxiety = facist

anyone who claims to know the truth = Satanist

women = pagan witches + illuminati transsexuals + apple eaters

therefore

humans = affected 

 

Edited December 31, 2018 by Rue

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

Define psychotic person and provide your source for the definition and how it determined psychotics incorporate the real world in their delusions. There is no point even dealing with your comments until you do that.

A person suffering psychosis

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=psychotic+person

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I work with and read the diagnoses of psychiatrists

 

Ok, so you read the chart they leave hanging on your bed. 

[eyeball]

56 minutes ago, Goddess said:

My personal favourite was the person who stated the belief  that all terrorists are mentally ill because why else would someone want to kill random people?

Like killing for money or in a fit of jealous rage or for religious zealotry has never happened in the history of the world before.....

It doesn't get much more apologetic than that.

Are you suggesting Muslims are immune to psychosis? What about terrorists?  I'm talking about the actual medical condition not the rhetorical one you seem to think constitutes the basis for an apology. 

These are not trick questions but I think your beliefs are a trick of your mind.

[Goddess]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Are you suggesting Muslims are immune to psychosis?

Smarten up.  It's never clever to pretend to be stupid.

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

Smarten up.  It's never clever to pretend to be stupid.

Okay put it another way then, why are you apologizing for the belief that all terrorists are mentally ill?  If you knew this was untrue then you would have unequivocally said so instead of, you know, just pretending it wasn't.

What do you really believe?

[Goddess]

21 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What do you really believe?

I don't believe all terrorist are mentally ill.

 

Edited December 31, 2018 by Goddess

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I don't believe all terrorist are mentally ill.

Do you know or believe Faisal Hussein was not mentally ill?

Why do you imagine the difference is important - from a medical and legal standpoint?

Edited December 31, 2018 by eyeball

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Do you know or believe Faisal Hussein was not mentally ill?

No.  And neither do you.

 

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Why do you imagine the difference is important - from a medical and legal standpoint?

I don't have to "imagine" there is a difference medically and legally.  There is.

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

No.  And neither do you.

I know he had a history of depression and psychosis, and so do you.

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I don't have to "imagine" there is a difference medically and legally.  There is.

 

A lot of people sure don't sound like they know. Perhaps they believe the difference is moot from a political standpoint. What do you think?

[Goddess]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I know he had a history of depression and psychosis, and so do you.

No, we don't.  We have claims from his family and a paid shill.  And the police say he was involved in 2 incidents, but don't elaborate on what those incidents were. He wasn't on any kind of watch list for either extremism or mental illness so it could have been nothing more than him beaking off too much at a cashier or store clerk and the police were called.

We don't know.

 

Edited December 31, 2018 by Goddess

[taxme]

On 8/3/2018 at 2:53 PM, eyeball said:

It's really just a pro-west agenda they're pushing - the same agenda they've been pushing since 9/11.  If you're not with them....

Personally, I think that we are all just a little bit mental. Just saying.  

[Rue]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

No.  And neither do you.

 

I don't have to "imagine" there is a difference medically and legally.  There is.

He knows the difference. He's being petulant for a change.

[Rue]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Personally, I think that we are all just a little bit mental. Just saying.  

Of course.

 

Edited January 1, 2019 by Rue

[turningrite]

On 12/31/2018 at 4:41 PM, eyeball said:

I know he had a history of depression and psychosis, and so do you.

A lot of people sure don't sound like they know. Perhaps they believe the difference is moot from a political standpoint. What do you think?

And, how, exactly, do you "know" this? Such medical information is inherently private. There were reports, mainly from family members and a few others who knew the shooter, that he had mental health challenges, but these do not constitute evidence per se of any specific medical diagnosis. Further, some of the anecdotal reports publicized following the shooting were challenged by others who knew the shooter. Being detained for observation under the Mental Health Act does not constitute proof of a diagnosis and being released rather than hospitalized following an observation period suggests that a serious diagnosis likely didn't/doesn't apply.  Depression is experienced by about 20 percent of the population, so it alone can't be held to constitute an explanation for such a heinous act. And serious psychosis (i.e. other than treatable depression) is a very specific medical condition that can only be diagnosed by a qualified psychiatrist. Can you point to any reporting verifying that such a diagnosis applied? I think you need to be more careful about this. Authorities have fostered speculation on the shooter's background and motivation by withholding information from the public, which is the salient issue at stake here. Personally, I doubt that you know anything more than anybody else on here about the shooter or his intent.

Edited January 3, 2019 by turningrite

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, turningrite said:

And, how, exactly, do you "know" this? Such medical information is inherently private. There were reports, mainly from family members and a few others who knew the shooter, that he had mental health challenges, but these do not constitute evidence per se of any specific medical diagnosis.

You're saying the reports are all lies? Why, what's the basis for thinking that, your biases? 

[turningrite]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You're saying the reports are all lies? Why, what's the basis for thinking that, your biases? 

I'm saying that the reports simply amount to anecdotal evidence and in some cases are contradictory to other reported anecdotal evidence, therefore establishing nothing as fact. You haven't, by the way, pointed to a single report confirming the existence of an actual psychiatric diagnosis. Hmmm....

Edited January 3, 2019 by turningrite

[montgomery]

1 hour ago, turningrite said:

I'm saying that the reports simply amount to anecdotal evidence and in some cases are contradictory to other reported anecdotal evidence, therefore establishing nothing as fact. You haven't, by the way, pointed to a single report confirming the existence of an actual psychiatric diagnosis. Hmmm....

Shouldn't you disqualify yourself from topics in which race, ethnicity, or religion are considerations that will determine guilt or innocence? You've already made it clear that people who come to Canada as immigrants must 'integrate', but you have no idea what that means and no submissions on what you'll allow them to do or not do when they become Canadians. Is it not fair of me to think they will have to walk and talk and dress and worship (Xtian)  and act like Canadians. What is this integration you want to force on people? That's not an accusation, it's a question so I can get your schtick right.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, turningrite said:

I'm saying that the reports simply amount to anecdotal evidence and in some cases are contradictory to other reported anecdotal evidence, therefore establishing nothing as fact. You haven't, by the way, pointed to a single report confirming the existence of an actual psychiatric diagnosis. Hmmm....

Media reports came from police statements. 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=undefined&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwirh_vU29LfAhUkLn0KHURmDaEQzPwBCAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fglobalnews.ca%2Fnews%2F4350349%2Fdanforth-shooting-suspect-faisal-hussain-mental-health%2F&psig=AOvVaw30gpCkRcsaetP65gDJ-CMy&ust=1546642829869279

You're saying the police can't be trusted either?

You people live in a very dark strange world...how do you even manage to get out of bed in the morning? Why would you even want to get up?

You don't know a fucking thing but you're pretty sure Islam is the cause. I bet Hussain was a lefty, which of course would explain everything. 

Edited January 3, 2019 by eyeball

[Goddess]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Media reports came from police statements. 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=undefined&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwirh_vU29LfAhUkLn0KHURmDaEQzPwBCAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fglobalnews.ca%2Fnews%2F4350349%2Fdanforth-shooting-suspect-faisal-hussain-mental-health%2F&psig=AOvVaw30gpCkRcsaetP65gDJ-CMy&ust=1546642829869279

You're saying the police can't be trusted either?

You people live in a very dark strange world...how do you even manage to get out of bed in the morning? Why would you even want to get up?

You don't know a fucking thing but you're pretty sure Islam is the cause. I bet Hussain was a lefty, which of course would explain everything. 

Your link does not prove what you think it does.

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A police source told Global News that 29-year-old Faisal Hussain had previously been apprehended by Toronto police twice under the mental health act.

It does not say what those 2 apprehensions were about.  Being apprehended under the mental health act is not a diagnosis.  

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A statement released Tuesday on behalf of the Hussain family said, “Our son had severe mental health challenges, struggling with psychosis and depression his entire life. The interventions of professionals were unsuccessful.”

Again, a statement from the family through a paid shill who was revealed to have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.  Also not a diagnosis.

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Your link does not prove what you think it does.

It certainly proves there were reports of mental illness. But right wingers are always suspicious of reports of mental illness. Hell even when there is a verifiable diagnoses you people rarely give a shit and want to see ill people being punished instead of being treated.

Nope this thread is and always has been based on fear, loathing and above all else racism. Yes yes, I realize Islam isn't a race but do you? It doesn't look like it. 

[Goddess]

Just now, eyeball said:

It certainly proves there were reports of mental illness. But right wingers are always suspicious of reports of mental illness. Hell even when there is a verifiable diagnoses you people rarely give a shit and want to see ill people being punished instead of being treated.

Nope this thread is and always has been based on fear, loathing and above all else racism. Yes yes, I realize Islam isn't a race but do you? It doesn't look like it. 

We all agreed that the family put out a statement purporting his mental illness. 

Your claim was that there was an actual diagnosis.  You have yet to prove that.

Put up or shut up.

[eyeball]

55 minutes ago, Goddess said:

We all agreed that the family put out a statement purporting his mental illness. 

Your claim was that there was an actual diagnosis.  You have yet to prove that.

Put up or shut up.

Please shut the fuck up. My claim was that the media reported about a police statement that Hussein has a history of mental illness. 

I guess you don't realize that a diagnosis of psychosis like schizophrenia for example, is a complicated process that can often involve a long history of interactions with both police and the health system before a definitive diagnosis can be made. Note the police reported their apprehensions of Faisal Hussein occurred under the mental health act. 

The history of mental illness in the case of Faisal Hussein is a fact. So is the desperateness of right wing speculation to dodge the probable implications of that- that Islamic terrorism had nothing to do with it. 

Edited January 4, 2019 by eyeball

[Goddess]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

The history of mental illness in the case of Faisal Hussein is a fact.

It's not a fact.  You don't know and neither do I.  When and if the diagnosis is made public in a report on the incident, then it will be a fact.

Bissonette was purported to be mentally ill, too, and ended up just pleading straight guilty.  

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So is the desperateness of right wing speculation to dodge the probable implications of that- that Islamic terrorism had nothing to do with it. 

And so is the desperateness of Islamophiles who insist that terrorism has its root cause in mental illness and has nothing at all to do with Islamic ideology.