betsy Posted June 26, 2018 Author Report Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, turningrite said: Trump's engaging in a phony tariff war with the EU and Canada, although it's not clear to me that he fully understands the situation. Jobs will be lost in the U.S. as firms move to serve EU markets, in particular, with EU-produced products. Canada may not have this kind of market leverage but it appears most Americans don't see Canada as part of the bigger trade problem in any case. Sure, Canada shelters some sectors, including through supply management, but the U.S. also provides enormous subsidies to some sectors in its economy, including agriculture and aerospace. There are no virgins in the trade game, even where friends are considered. The elephant in the room, of course, is China, but I think Trump is approaching that country in an unproductive fashion. The more important issue is the WTO system, which grants China developing economy status and privileges. Trump should be working with other Western countries to reach an agreement with China. Instead, he's huffing and puffing and p***ing everybody off. He likes the image of being the playground bully, but this comes with consequences. Leaders in China and Russia are probably laughing about the impact of his antics on America's traditional alliances. Obviously, he wants to eliminate all barriers and all subsidies. He said it outright: no more barriers, no subsidies, no tarriffs! That would include the USA. I think it's safe to assume that Trump does understand trade! WE don't understand trade - let's be honest. Quote China Begins to Question Whether It’s Ready for a Trade War https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-25/as-trade-war-looms-china-wonders-whether-it-s-up-for-the-fight Boy, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump already knew that...........even before China did! Edited June 26, 2018 by betsy Quote
scribblet Posted June 26, 2018 Report Posted June 26, 2018 Back to Sarah and the Red Hen: Just saw on the news that people are protesting outside but only one arrest... the owner who actually followed Sarah to another restaurant with a group of people to continue harassing her, has resigned a position she held and the place will stay closed for a while longer. Meanwhile the House could expel Waters for encouraging mob violence against Trump supporters, but that won't happen, she'll just play the race card. 2 Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Hal 9000 Posted June 26, 2018 Report Posted June 26, 2018 3 hours ago, taxme said: Well, we all should know by now that if there ever was anyone better at defrauding and making great con artists were the Clinton's. There are plenty of stories going around on the internet about those two liars and cheats and thieves and about how they have screwed America and the American people for decades now. During the debates Trump called Hillary a liar and a very crooked woman who made her millions by lying and cheating. If Trump were so bad as you say he was than WHY didn't Hillary point this out in the debate between the two of them? I guess the reason for that was that she is a lair and a crook and could not defend what Trump called her and preferred to just keep her mouth shut. I bet that at least once in your crummy life you played the thief and a con artist? In some way we all have done it. So, what is with your useless point anyway? Haiti called and wants to get in on this topic. 1 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
betsy Posted June 27, 2018 Author Report Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, scribblet said: Back to Sarah and the Red Hen: Just saw on the news that people are protesting outside but only one arrest... the owner who actually followed Sarah to another restaurant with a group of people to continue harassing her, has resigned a position she held and the place will stay closed for a while longer. Meanwhile the House could expel Waters for encouraging mob violence against Trump supporters, but that won't happen, she'll just play the race card. I bet she was forced to resign. Local businesses are affected by this. Yes, in this video it describes what Wilkinson did after Sanders left the building. She organized a group and harrassed Sanders' group at the other restaurant. The incident was confirmed by the owner (?) of the other restaurant. It makes my blood boil. Sanders did nothing wrong! The Red Hen was supposed to open today, but will now re-open on July 6. Hah! Should be longer. As in permanently! Edited June 27, 2018 by betsy 2 Quote
betsy Posted June 27, 2018 Author Report Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) One thing for sure, the backlash was vicious. Even an establishment in Canada, Old Red Hen" was mistaken for that infamous "Red Hen," and it got a lot of negative reviews. Quote Business and travel review websites Yelp and TripAdvisor are combating misleading reviews of the Red Hen. TripAdvisor has suspended new reviews, citing “a recent event that has attracted media attention and has caused an influx of review submissions that do not describe a first-hand experience.” Yelp said it started a “cleanup process” on Saturday, noting that some posts may be removed. The Red Hen has nearly 15,000 reviews on the website. The population of Lexington, Va. is 7,042, according to 2010 census figures. Another Red Hen restaurant impacted Collingwood isn’t the only city to have the reputation of one of its restaurants mistakenly fouled online. A New Jersey establishment, also called the Red Hen, reportedly received at least 600 phone calls threatening the restaurant and its staff. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ontario-eatery-targeted-online-by-sarah-sanders-supporters-1.3987505 Since brain-dead Wilkinson revealed that it's her employees who are partly to blame for 86-ing Sarah Sanders.....I bet her employees are keeping a very low profile now. Maybe, they're in hiding, too. Edited June 27, 2018 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted June 27, 2018 Author Report Posted June 27, 2018 2 hours ago, scribblet said: Meanwhile the House could expel Waters for encouraging mob violence against Trump supporters, but that won't happen, she'll just play the race card. The way reactions to this is playing out, Waters might find herself having a taste of her own medicine. Some people just might harass her, and her family. 1 Quote
Jimwd Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 5 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: But America's "traditional alliances" have also come at great cost and some negative consequences. Trump wants to be the change agent, destroyer of the status quo. I remember the "Nixon Shock" of 1971, taking away convertibility of U.S. dollars to gold and undermining Bretton Woods (West Germany had already been playing games with their Deutsche Mark). The policy change "shocked" international order, and today's floating currency exchange rates were the result, a mostly positive thing. President Trump is not the first POTUS to do such things, and he will not be the last. Trump is just another U.S. president. The Neville chamberlain approach. Quote
turningrite Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 6 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: But America's "traditional alliances" have also come at great cost and some negative consequences. Trump wants to be the change agent, destroyer of the status quo. I remember the "Nixon Shock" of 1971, taking away convertibility of U.S. dollars to gold and undermining Bretton Woods (West Germany had already been playing games with their Deutsche Mark). The policy change "shocked" international order, and today's floating currency exchange rates were the result, a mostly positive thing. President Trump is not the first POTUS to do such things, and he will not be the last. Trump is just another U.S. president. Whether Trump's behavior will ultimately be determined to be irresponsible or beneficial will take time to assess. He may want to destroy the status quo, but does he have any idea what he wants to replace it with or what the new world order that might emerge could look like? I don't disagree entirely with his perspective. I think many underestimate the extent to which ordinary citizens in the U.S .and elsewhere in the West are fed up with the current globalist and identity-focused agendas. People built prosperous and largely peaceful societies to which many feel very attached. Now, they're told nothing is certain and that sacrifices made may have been in vain. But rather than tap into shared sentiment among the populations of countries that traditionally ally with the U.S., Trump seems more comfortable attacking friends and reaching out to despots and dictatorships. It's an odd message to send. Despite his personal failings, Nixon was in many aspects an intelligent and shrewd leader where policy was concerned. I'm not at all sure Trump is similarly gifted. Sometimes when you destroy things you just can't put them back together again. Quote
paxamericana Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, turningrite said: Whether Trump's behavior will ultimately be determined to be irresponsible or beneficial will take time to assess. He may want to destroy the status quo, but does he have any idea what he wants to replace it with or what the new world order that might emerge could look like? I don't disagree entirely with his perspective. I think many underestimate the extent to which ordinary citizens in the U.S .and elsewhere in the West are fed up with the current globalist and identity-focused agendas. People built prosperous and largely peaceful societies to which many feel very attached. Now, they're told nothing is certain and that sacrifices made may have been in vain. But rather than tap into shared sentiment among the populations of countries that traditionally ally with the U.S., Trump seems more comfortable attacking friends and reaching out to despots and dictatorships. It's an odd message to send. Despite his personal failings, Nixon was in many aspects an intelligent and shrewd leader where policy was concerned. I'm not at all sure Trump is similarly gifted. Sometimes when you destroy things you just can't put them back together again. I'm not too concern about this actually. He's exposing the game and that is a huge political risk for a typical politician. But trump isn't a typical politician. In fact he isn't a politician at all. 1 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, turningrite said: ... Trump seems more comfortable attacking friends and reaching out to despots and dictatorships. It's an odd message to send. Despite his personal failings, Nixon was in many aspects an intelligent and shrewd leader where policy was concerned. I'm not at all sure Trump is similarly gifted. Sometimes when you destroy things you just can't put them back together again. I agree that Trump is no Nixon, but like Nixon he has come to know the power of the U.S. presidency to shape policy and actions to his liking. Nixon was protected far more from his mistakes by a Cold War backdrop, where policy extremes were not only tolerated for allies and enemies, but were expected. President Trump's press secretary also faces a far more volatile public and press, armed with the democratizing power of social media. Trump also has no Kissinger to bring more gravitas to his administration. Sanders has won my respect for hanging tough in the face of so much derision. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
turningrite Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) "I'm not too concern about this actually. He's exposing the game and that is a huge political risk for a typical politician. But trump isn't a typical politician. In fact he isn't a politician at all." paxrom: But, if he fails, as reportedly some of his business projects have, many both inside the U.S. and outside of it will be able to say 'we told you so'. Edited June 27, 2018 by turningrite Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, paxrom said: I'm not too concern about this actually. He's exposing the game and that is a huge political risk for a typical politician. But trump isn't a typical politician. In fact he isn't a politician at all. Agreed....no matter what happens, Trump has been wildly successful just by getting this far, and his political enemies have been frustrated by his unconventional methods. Republican or Democrat, fighting Trump is like boxing with smoke. So they vigorously attack Trump's surrogates and supporters (like Sanders) , because attacking Trump has little effect. Edited June 27, 2018 by bush_cheney2004 1 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
paxamericana Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, turningrite said: "I'm not too concern about this actually. He's exposing the game and that is a huge political risk for a typical politician. But trump isn't a typical politician. In fact he isn't a politician at all." paxrom: But, if he fails, as reportedly some of his business projects have, many both inside the U.S. and outside of it will be able to say 'we told you so'. He won't fail. You know why? Because he's an American president. He has the world strongest, economic, intellectual, moral, military power at his side. Say what you will of trump personal life but don't forget he is in the office of the presidency. He has the best tools and minds at his disposal. And he has clearly stated he intend on unleashing their creative power and not hamper them with Obama era restraints. Edited June 27, 2018 by paxrom 1 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 Those who criticize Trump and his administration have not proposed many solutions to trade imbalances, illegal immigration, IP theft, Obamacare, etc., especially the U.S. Congress. For those who don't know this, the U.S. Congress polls much lower than President Trump, and has polled lower for many years with Americans. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hal 9000 Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 This whole thing is like the divorced mom and dad. For 8 years the kids lived with mom, they didn't pay bills, stayed up partying all night, didn't work, had their friends over, the house was a mess and nobody cared - it was a co-dependant situation. Now, the kids are sent to dad, dad has rules...wants them to work, pay their bills, tell their friends that the party is over and he's not feeding them...and no beheading people either. I've seen it a thousand times. 1 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
paxamericana Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: This whole thing is like the divorced mom and dad. For 8 years the kids lived with mom, they didn't pay bills, stayed up partying all night, didn't work, had their friends over, the house was a mess and nobody cared - it was a co-dependant situation. Now, the kids are sent to dad, dad has rules...wants them to work, pay their bills, tell their friends that the party is over and he's not feeding them...and no beheading people either. I've seen it a thousand times. Beheadings? that's alot of beheadings to witness. Quote
taxme Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 8 hours ago, Jimwd said: Trump doesn’t understand trade which is why he’s failing and alienating allies. Trump already knows and understands trade. Trump is teaching his allies that there will be no more unfair trade. Live with it. 1 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 Trump understands trade to date has included large imbalances, tariff and non-tariff barriers, supply management, dumping, intellectual property theft, counterfeiting, subsidies, bribery, offshoring, onshoring, tax havens, etc. in a wild ass game of winks and nods that Trump did not create. How dare Trump upset the delicate scams of international trade ! 2 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
taxme Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 8 hours ago, turningrite said: If you want your argument to be taken seriously, maybe you should consider using more temperate language. Views on the trade debate, as well as on Trump's temperament and approach, vary widely. I thought that Sarah Sanders was the topic here? So, what do you have to say on the attack against Sarah eating in a restaurant? I think that it was deplorable what those left wing gang of red guard thugs did to her. One can only hope that these same people will be confronted one day by a group of conservatives and given a taste of their own left wing medicine. Works for me. Quote
taxme Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 8 hours ago, BubberMiley said: So did Trump in his tweets this morning. You should respond to them and explain to him how everything will be okay. I don't tweet-tweet. So, I cannot do any responding. Besides, tweeting is for the birds. If I could tweet with Trump I would tell him that he is doing a great job. 1 Quote
taxme Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, paxrom said: I'm not too concern about this actually. He's exposing the game and that is a huge political risk for a typical politician. But trump isn't a typical politician. In fact he isn't a politician at all. Trump even said himself that he does not want to be called a politician. Trump is a business man and wants to run America like a business and not like a big brother government one. Trump is exposing the swamp game and the left wing liberals are going bonkers over it. The swampsters are all being exposed especially those democrat ones. The era of the Clinton's and Obama days are over. Trump is kicking their asses big time. Edited June 27, 2018 by taxme Quote
taxme Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 5 hours ago, betsy said: One thing for sure, the backlash was vicious. Even an establishment in Canada, Old Red Hen" was mistaken for that infamous "Red Hen," and it got a lot of negative reviews. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ontario-eatery-targeted-online-by-sarah-sanders-supporters-1.3987505 Since brain-dead Wilkinson revealed that it's her employees who are partly to blame for 86-ing Sarah Sanders.....I bet her employees are keeping a very low profile now. Maybe, they're in hiding, too. And those employees need to not only keep a low profile but should go in hiding also. These left wing liberals better wake up to the fact that America is not a left wing liberal country anymore. It is a conservative country now. Conservative Canadians have to work hard now to make Canada a more conservative country and less liberal and try to make Canada great again. Quote
taxme Posted June 27, 2018 Report Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Those who criticize Trump and his administration have not proposed many solutions to trade imbalances, illegal immigration, IP theft, Obamacare, etc., especially the U.S. Congress. For those who don't know this, the U.S. Congress polls much lower than President Trump, and has polled lower for many years with Americans. The Republicans have it made now and yet some of them are trying to give it away where some it would appear would like to give America back to the lefty liberals. The Republican party has many Judas in it. They need to be exposed and ousted. Quote
betsy Posted June 27, 2018 Author Report Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, taxme said: And those employees need to not only keep a low profile but should go in hiding also. These left wing liberals better wake up to the fact that America is not a left wing liberal country anymore. It is a conservative country now. Conservative Canadians have to work hard now to make Canada a more conservative country and less liberal and try to make Canada great again. I bet the protest at the Red Hen won't go away any time soon. Hopefully, Wilkinson is financially prepared for this. Her employees too. How long can a 26-seat restaurant last without any revenue? It'll be hard to unload that property too, with that kind of baggage hanging on its neck. It's a small town. The kind where everyone know each other. Especially on Main Street. I wonder if any local establishments will hire employees from the Red Hen? If I were a Republican, I wouldn't eat anywhere with that chef cooking. He'll be the type to make mischief on my food. Same with those waiters. Heck, even if I'm not a Republican......what if they might think I am? <humming Leaving on A Jet Plane> Edited June 27, 2018 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted June 27, 2018 Author Report Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) Yep. She was asked to step down. She asked Sarah Sanders to leave......and now, she was asked to leave. Karma can't get dished out any faster than that! Quote Officials with the City of Lexington confirm Stephanie Wilkinson has resigned from her position as Executive Director with Main Street Lexington. The announcement follows a Facebook post, made by the volunteer organization, stating that Wilkinson's actions were made as owner of The Red Hen and "were taken independently from her role as executive director." Wilkinson has still declined to speak with any media, other than the Washington Post, in regards to her restaurant's decision to ask White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders to leave the establishment on Friday night. https://www.virginiafirst.com/news/local-news/owner-of-red-hen-restaurant-resigns-from-position-with-non-profit-organization/1264951736 The irony of an Executive Director of a non-profit organization whose responsibility is to enhance the economic prosperity of this community, being the cause of this? She picked a fine time too, what with the looming trade wars that would affect everyone! Quote Lexington got its 15 minutes of fame. And not in a way the town expected — or wanted. Neighboring local businesses have carefully avoided the drama. Managers and owners declined comment Monday afternoon, concerned that mention in coverage of the scandal would harm their business. "It's a small community, and so everyone I know works in some form of local business," said Madeline Haywood, a Lexington native working the counter at Lexington Coffee Shop on Monday afternoon. "A lot of people are going to take a hit because of this." Haywood has fielded a flurry of calls from people worried that other Lexington businesses will shun them because of their conservative beliefs. Some calls, she said, have been downright negative, bordering on harassment. And all because the coffee shop is located a couple of blocks away from the Red Hen. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/06/26/red-hen-sarah-sanders-visit-leaves-lexington-virginia-reeling/733196002/ Edited June 27, 2018 by betsy 1 Quote
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