Doug Ford - leader of Ontario PCs

taxme · June 29, 2018

On 6/17/2018 at 2:33 AM, betsy said:

Doug Ford is delivering a promise asap!

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/06/15/doug-ford-puts-gasoline-companies-on-notice-over-weekend-price-hikes.html

And what did the NDP socialist/communist have to say about Ford dumping the carbon tax on fuel? The world will be coming to an end and basements will be flooded. Thank gawd those stunned fools never took over from Wynne. That would have written off Ontario for good. And the NDP were the same fools who wanted to make Ontario a sanctuary province. What is with these socialist/communists anyway? Were they born with any brains at all to be able to think with? A province or country cannot survive on liberal/socialism emotion or foolish talk or big government. That does not create jobs. But it will survive by just using some good old plain and simple common sense and logic. That will create jobs. The NDP/liberals and their followers think economies run on emotionalism, big government and silly talk. And what has those mentioned done for Ontario? Created unemployment, high cost of living and near bankruptcy.

Michael Hardner · June 29, 2018

1 hour ago, taxme said:

1) That polls don't work.

2) They are all just plain bull chit.

3) The only poll that will count is the one that shows us as to who won the election.

4) Most polls always will try to favor liberals to win.

5)I wonder why?

1) The polls all showed a Conservative majority, which is what happened.

2) No, the polls all showed a Conservative majority, which is what happened.

3) Yes, and the polls all showed a Conservative majority, which is what happened.

4) The polls all showed a Conservative majority, which is what happened.

5) Who knows why you make up 'bull shit' and post it time after time despite obvious facts ? I still don't know what you have against polls that said your guy would win... and he won. You make up a fantasy world, then you criticize that world. The mind boggles.

taxme · June 30, 2018

19 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1) The polls all showed a Conservative majority, which is what happened.

2) No, the polls all showed a Conservative majority, which is what happened.

3) Yes, and the polls all showed a Conservative majority, which is what happened.

4) The polls all showed a Conservative majority, which is what happened.

5) Who knows why you make up 'bull shit' and post it time after time despite obvious facts ? I still don't know what you have against polls that said your guy would win... and he won. You make up a fantasy world, then you criticize that world. The mind boggles.

What I was trying to say was that the only polls that should count are the ones after a election day. Polls mostly go by people who may say that they will vote for this person and then change their mind. Maybe most polls are done to try and get someone to win. Hillary was supposed to be leading and going to win. She did not. Polls had Trump losing, he did not. He won.

Hey, you are plenty good yourself at making up bullshit despite obvious facts giving to you. But what the hey.

Michael Hardner · June 30, 2018

27 minutes ago, taxme said:

Hey, you are plenty good yourself at making up bullshit despite obvious facts giving to you. But what the hey.

No, I don't do that. Your defense to posting lies is 'hey, I read it on the internet'.

Yes, the polls didn't predict the outcome of 2016. That's why they say '19/20' times is correct. It's math at play, not Zionists.

And why we need to bring up a conspiracy in a thread about the Ontario election... Where the liberal media properly and correctly predicted Ford's victory... really I have no idea.

taxme · June 30, 2018

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

No, I don't do that. Your defense to posting lies is 'hey, I read it on the internet'.

Yes, the polls didn't predict the outcome of 2016. That's why they say '19/20' times is correct. It's math at play, not Zionists.

And why we need to bring up a conspiracy in a thread about the Ontario election... Where the liberal media properly and correctly predicted Ford's victory... really I have no idea.

1. I read lots of things on the internet. Not everything said on the internet is all lies. Such bs from you. I want to try and keep myself informed about what is going on in the world. I see no wrong in doing so. I know that if I were to listen to you all the time I would know nothing at all. Is all you use the internet for is to look for websites like this one to come to and become a social justice warrior and fight and save Canada from the evil white nationalists?

2. Zionists? What is with that? Are you saying that it is zionists doing the polls, eh?

3. "Conspiracy"? Did I say anything about a conspiracy? And I will bet that the left wing liberal media is all in a panic today just like they are in America today. Once they found out that Trump was going to be their next President they all went bonkers in the head. Impeach 45 for Maxing Waters. Works for me.

Michael Hardner · June 30, 2018

2 minutes ago, taxme said:

1. I read lots of things on the internet. Not everything said on the internet is all lies.

2. Zionists? What is with that? Are you saying that it is zionists doing the polls, eh?

3. "Conspiracy"? Did I say anything about a conspiracy? And I will bet that the left wing liberal media is all in a panic today just like they are in America today. Once they found out that Trump was going to be their next President they all went bonkers in the head. Impeach 45 for Maxing Waters. Works for me.

1. You are repeating the simplest truths, sidestepping the fact that you repeat egregious falsehoods without regrets.

2. 3. Yes, we all know how you feel about these things, Zionists and Liberals. Such a conspiracy and yet Ford won. If the conspiracy is so strong why does it need you to oversell it?

Centerpiece · July 1, 2018

Martin Regg Cohn was The Star's attack dog in the lead up to the election - with column after column denigrating Ford and the Conservatives. Only a day into Ford's Premiership, Cohn and The Star are at it already. Much like the sour-faced Democrats and CNN to the south, Cohn just can't accept the election results. I guess we shouldn't expect any different......

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Political honeymoons are wonderful to watch, infusing people with optimism and enthusiasm. But when a politician falls in love with his honeymoon, and his own hyperbole, his hubris is never far behind.

Link: https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2018/06/29/how-doug-ford-fell-in-love-with-his-own-honeymoon.html

Michael Hardner · July 1, 2018

10 hours ago, Centerpiece said:

Martin Regg Cohn was The Star's attack dog in the lead up to the election - with column after column denigrating Ford and the Conservatives.

I think that it's fair to give Ford time to get started, and fair to say that The Star isn't going to give Ford a fair shake. Still, it's not as bad as The Sun's strategy memo to staff, planning how to cover any FUTURE stories about Wynne.

Centerpiece · July 1, 2018

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think that it's fair to give Ford time to get started, and fair to say that The Star isn't going to give Ford a fair shake. Still, it's not as bad as The Sun's strategy memo to staff, planning how to cover any FUTURE stories about Wynne.

Didn't hear about that. Sounds interesting. Do you happen to have a link?

Michael Hardner · July 1, 2018

Here you go:

http://www.canadalandshow.com/toronto-sun-provincial-election-plans/

Centerpiece · July 1, 2018

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think that it's fair to give Ford time to get started, and fair to say that The Star isn't going to give Ford a fair shake. Still, it's not as bad as The Sun's strategy memo to staff, planning how to cover any FUTURE stories about Wynne.

Thanks for the link. I don't really see how you can even think of comparing the two. The Star is disrespecting Premier Ford in his first day on the job. The Sun Memo lays out an editorial reporting strategy leading into an election. Like most Ontarians, the Sun was anti-Liberal - but nowhere in the three page memo does it even mention Ford or cheer for the Conservatives. It painfully details the issues that they think are important - stressing where the Liberals have failed. I can guarantee that if the Star's editorial electoral policy would have been public, it would have been loaded with anti-Ford rhetoric - with instructions to dig up whatever they could. I thought you were unveiling some sinister backroom plot. Instead, this memo is exactly what Ontario needed - a little more truth and a little less self-congratulatory Liberal mumbo-jumbo. Given the mess that Ontario was/is in, this editorial guidance is pretty tame and pragmatic.

taxme · July 1, 2018

23 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. You are repeating the simplest truths, sidestepping the fact that you repeat egregious falsehoods without regrets.

2. 3. Yes, we all know how you feel about these things, Zionists and Liberals. Such a conspiracy and yet Ford won. If the conspiracy is so strong why does it need you to oversell it?

Why do you seem to have a problem with a white person like myself who is proud to be white and is not afraid to speak up and say so and wants to see that Canada stays majority white? Why does that hurt your sensitive feelings when I say that? You make up just as many falsehoods also because you have pretty much accused me of being anti immigration, anti non-white and anti Canada when I have never said any of those things. I have asked you to show me this where I have mentioned those things verbatim and yet you can never produce a bloody thing. You just keep coming back with more silly azz bs like above. Yes, we all know how you feel about white people who are proud to say that they are white. Don't try and sidestep those questions.

What conspiracy about Ford are you talking about? Clarify. Was there a conspiracy going on against Ford? But I am pretty sure that the lying left wing liberal media in Ontario were working hard behind the scenes to try and make sure that Ford did not become the Premier of Ontario. FYI, I was all for conservative Ford to win.

Edited July 1, 2018 by taxme

Michael Hardner · July 1, 2018

Well ok @Centerpiece you clearly favour sectarian media.

Centerpiece · July 2, 2018

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well ok @Centerpiece you clearly favour sectarian media.

I don't "favour" it. It's just a fact that certain media are more biased - or "sectarian" - than others. I think it's fair to say that they are all biased to one extent or another - it's human nature. That said, The Star has consistently been a Liberal shill for decades - crafting their stories almost entirely around Liberal press releases and columnists slagging all things Conservative. They have vehemently been an anti-Ford crusader.....and as my previous post indicated, they are at it again - one day into Ford's premiership.

Michael Hardner · July 2, 2018

Call me when we get a leak of a strategy document from the Star on how to take down Ford.

Until then I will call The Star biased it partisan, and will call The Sun the Queen's Park Pravda or state media.

turningrite · July 2, 2018

13 hours ago, Centerpiece said:

I don't "favour" it. It's just a fact that certain media are more biased - or "sectarian" - than others. I think it's fair to say that they are all biased to one extent or another - it's human nature. That said, The Star has consistently been a Liberal shill for decades - crafting their stories almost entirely around Liberal press releases and columnists slagging all things Conservative. They have vehemently been an anti-Ford crusader.....and as my previous post indicated, they are at it again - one day into Ford's premiership.

I think a more accurate term than sectarian would be partisan. That being said, once it was clear the Libs would lose, the Star appeared to half-heartedly endorse the NDP as an acceptable alternative to Ford's party. Personally, I think Wynne handed Ford his majority with her bizarre preemptive concession speech. This apparently bumped her party up by four or five points, most of which was likely at the expense of the NDP. In any case, Ford won not mainly on policy (there was no real platform on offer) or on the strength of his campaign (he's a poor speaker and debater) but on the basis of generating an impression that he understood the struggles of ordinary working Ontarians, about which the other parties seemed oblivious. My fear, of course, is that big money and corporate interests will exert too much sway over a PC regime. This, actually, is what sunk Wynne where the Hydro One sale was concerned. We'll see if the Ford government's actions live up to the expectations of those who put it in power.

Centerpiece · July 2, 2018

22 minutes ago, turningrite said:

I think a more accurate term than sectarian would be partisan.

I agree - but I didn't want to disrespect Michael's efforts with his Thesaurus........

Michael Hardner · July 2, 2018

1 hour ago, Centerpiece said:

I agree - but I didn't want to disrespect Michael's efforts with his Thesaurus........

It's not a thesaurus. Sectarian viewpoint implies segregation. The new brand of conservative wants different rules for themselves, which includes the right to define words.

Did you that Ford leads Ontario's first 'Government for the people'? That's right! All other governments just HATED the people, I guess Harris included.

Centerpiece · July 2, 2018

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's not a thesaurus. Sectarian viewpoint implies segregation. The new brand of conservative wants different rules for themselves, which includes the right to define words.

Did you that Ford leads Ontario's first 'Government for the people'? That's right! All other governments just HATED the people, I guess Harris included.

You gave too much credit to that Martin Regg Cohn Star article I posted!!!.........

PIK · July 5, 2018

Who cares, this government is a breath of fresh air and every day is more good news. Yes there are some tough decisions coming, but they will be about getting this province back on track. Not sucking up to the unions and hiring people for the sake of hiring people. I love it.

taxme · July 5, 2018

On 7/2/2018 at 8:04 AM, turningrite said:

I think a more accurate term than sectarian would be partisan. That being said, once it was clear the Libs would lose, the Star appeared to half-heartedly endorse the NDP as an acceptable alternative to Ford's party. Personally, I think Wynne handed Ford his majority with her bizarre preemptive concession speech. This apparently bumped her party up by four or five points, most of which was likely at the expense of the NDP. In any case, Ford won not mainly on policy (there was no real platform on offer) or on the strength of his campaign (he's a poor speaker and debater) but on the basis of generating an impression that he understood the struggles of ordinary working Ontarians, about which the other parties seemed oblivious. My fear, of course, is that big money and corporate interests will exert too much sway over a PC regime. This, actually, is what sunk Wynne where the Hydro One sale was concerned. We'll see if the Ford government's actions live up to the expectations of those who put it in power.

At least Ford has now dumped the Cap and Trade liberal nonsense. That is a good start. All that the cap and trade was no more than a government cash grab all taht did nothing for the environment while hitting people in their wallets. Whenever governments get involved with anything we should all know by now that there must be a buck in there somewhere for them to make. It is never about and for the people it is all about the government.

There may be big money and corporate interests getting involved but what is the difference between that and what the Wynne Liberals have being doing all along and their taking money from unions and special interest groups? It is we the people who in most cases will be getting the shaft one way or another. But if Ford is true to his word and that we the people will come first well that will be a bonus for we the people.

taxme · July 5, 2018

2 hours ago, PIK said:

Who cares, this government is a breath of fresh air and every day is more good news. Yes there are some tough decisions coming, but they will be about getting this province back on track. Not sucking up to the unions and hiring people for the sake of hiring people. I love it.

The conservative revolution may be finally on a roll in Canada. The next federal election will tell us that. Liberalism/socialism/communism has proven itself to us that it is not for there for we the people at all but was there for a bigger government and for special minority interest groups. Minority interest groups should never be allowed to rule and run the majority group. That is not democracy. That is what has pretty much been destroying Canada is that minorities having been handed the reigns of power to make the decisions on how we must live the rest of our miserable and broke majority lives. Even the Supreme Court being packed with liberals has been of no help either to the majority. My opinion.

Centerpiece · July 19, 2018

As predicted, The Star is motoring along with its continuous anti-Ford campaign. A few headlines from today's paper:

"Exceeding expectations, lowering the bar".......Martin Regg Cohn

"Ford putting in little effort to bring Ontarians together.......Bob Hepburn

"Exposing Ford's Doug-whistle sex-ed agenda"......Mandy Pipher

To top it off, their editorial entitled "Upholding our Values" was a churlish rant against Ford and Lisa MacLeod on "Asylum Seekers".

Now - lets juxtapose these headlines against the latest poll that shows the vast majority of Ontarians agree with each and every major plank of Ford's agenda to date.

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Since taking office, Premier Doug Ford has outlined a host of initiatives his government will implement, such as a line-by-line audit of government spending in which, a strong majority, 69%, indicated approval of.

Ford has also announced a public service hiring freeze until his government has completed the audit, in which the party has clarified that the hiring freeze will exclude “essential frontline staff including police, fire services and corrections”. Over half of Ontario respondents agreed with this decision (55%). Furthermore, 61% also agree with Ford’s decision to implement a freeze on salaries of public service managers, executives, and staff not covered by collective bargaining until his government has completed their audit of the provinces finances and have put in place an expenditure management strategy.

In regard to Ontario’s cap-and-trade program, 54% of residents in Ontario supported Doug Ford’s decision to end the program....................................................

In a recent meeting with Justin Trudeau, Doug Ford argued that the federal government was responsible for the costs Toronto and Ontario have incurred by providing housing and other services to recent surge of asylum seekers, stating that, "This mess was 100 percent the result of the federal government, and the federal government should foot 100 percent of the bills”. When asked whether or not they agree with this decision, 67% of Ontario residents agreed that the federal government is responsible for covering these costs, with strong support across all ages and regions of Ontario.

Link: https://www.campaignresearch.ca/single-post/2018/07/12/Majority-of-Ontario-residents-are-in-support-of-Doug-Ford’s-first-actions-as-Premier

Edited July 19, 2018 by Centerpiece

Queenmandy85 · July 19, 2018

Is Premier Ford buying in to Premier Moe's plan to bring in carbon rationing? It is going to be a bureaucratic nightmare and cost the taxpayer a lot.

turningrite · July 19, 2018

55 minutes ago, Centerpiece said:

As predicted, The Star is motoring along with its continuous anti-Ford campaign. A few headlines from today's paper:

"Exceeding expectations, lowering the bar".......Martin Regg Cohn

"Ford putting in little effort to bring Ontarians together.......Bob Hepburn

"Exposing Ford's Doug-whistle sex-ed agenda"......Mandy Pipher

To top it off, their editorial entitled "Upholding our Values" was a churlish rant against Ford and Lisa MacLeod on "Asylum Seekers".

The Star seems apoplectic that Ford got elected. I read the Star every day and feel that the tenor of much of its coverage of the Ford government is increasingly shrill and tiresome. For the most part, Ford is doing what he said he'd do. Isn't that what democracy is about? The problem with many political and media types is that they believe there's an established (and, frankly, often tiresome) set of "values" that simply can't be challenged. But these values have in many cases been artificially set by those same political and media types without much reference to or even interest in public opinion. Ford's government is correct on the migrant issue. It's a mess the federal government must pay to clean up and a large majority of Ontarians (and probably other Canadians) agrees with this. It's not dog-whistle politics, as the Star prefers to portray it.

Ford hasn't spoken French in public nor made the apparently obligatory nods to Indigenous interests. Well, so what? He probably doesn't speak French in the first place and he likely understands that Indigenous demands are in many cases at odds with the broader public interest. So, why act hypocritically and virtue signal just for the sake of so doing? For the most part, Ford is an open book. What you see is what you get. For the time being, I suspect most Ontarians are fine with that. Let's see what his government can and will do when it gets to the meat and potatoes of running the province rather than focus on the window dressing the media and special interests seem so concerned about right now.