Argus Posted February 27, 2018 Report Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: U.S. Supreme Court has already examined that (McDonald v. Chicago)....they didn't consider opinions from Canada. Sooooo, you're saying that this has nothing to do with a militia, even though it says it does? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 27, 2018 Report Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: I know it's popular for the left to side with the FBI these days - y'know, because of Trump, but they were called repeatedly on that guy and did nothing. What would you have expected them to have done that would have had any impact on this? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Posted February 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, Argus said: Sooooo, you're saying that this has nothing to do with a militia, even though it says it does? The language is clear....a militia's armed capability is dependent on a pre-existing, armed citizenry. U.S. Supreme Court always trumps couch lawyers from across the border. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
blackbird Posted February 27, 2018 Report Posted February 27, 2018 21 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: How would you do that? And, whose guns exactly? Would you go into downtown Chicago and start confiscating guns? Probably a good place to start. All guns possessed illegally should be confiscated of course. I'm not sure how authorities go about it. But that's just the first step. Quote
blackbird Posted February 27, 2018 Report Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: OK, well, taking away semi-autos, is taking away guns. That's just a non-starter, and a policy killer. However, I'd love to see what happens when the police go into downtown Chicago and start taking away their "semi-autos". Obviously you're not aware the police in cities like Chicago already go into houses with swat teams, shields, tear gas, and knock doors down and go in armed with automatic military style weapons. It's the war on drugs. Is going on all the time. They are very professional and experienced at it. Once in a while they get shot. Watched it on Netflix. So confiscating guns would be nothing new. They already do those kinds of raids every day and night all over the place. They are training constantly. Anybody foolish enough to try to resist wouldn't stand a chance and will be taken away in a hearse. Edited February 27, 2018 by blackbird Quote
Omni Posted February 27, 2018 Report Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The language is clear....a militia's armed capability is dependent on a pre-existing, armed citizenry. U.S. Supreme Court always trumps couch lawyers from across the border. Is that why the NRA scraped the "well regulated militia" language off the facade of the building when they built a new office? They don't want anything to do with that well regulated crap. Any guesses as to which school is next? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Posted February 27, 2018 58 minutes ago, blackbird said: .... They already do those kinds of raids every day and night all over the place. They are training constantly. Anybody foolish enough to try to resist wouldn't stand a chance and will be taken away in a hearse. Not going to happen just to confiscate semi-auto firearms....Netflix has Godzilla movies too. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted February 27, 2018 Report Posted February 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Not going to happen just to confiscate semi-auto firearms....Netflix has Godzilla movies too. So stupid movies, and a stupid amendment are more important than school kids getting blown away. Check! Quote
Argus Posted February 27, 2018 Report Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The language is clear....a militia's armed capability is dependent on a pre-existing, armed citizenry. U.S. Supreme Court always trumps couch lawyers from across the border. What, I can't speak English just as well as they can? I can read what it says. I don't have to interpret it to support my beliefs - as you are above. The idea that in this day and age a militia's capability depends on a pre-existing armed citizenry is ludicrous. Nobody is gonna bring their muskets, or their AR-15s to the militia to fight off the Chinese. A well regulated militia being necessary... that is the entire purpose behind the next passage. If these people aren't in the 'well regulated' militia then there's no purpose for them being armed. Edited February 27, 2018 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hal 9000 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, blackbird said: Obviously you're not aware the police in cities like Chicago already go into houses with swat teams, shields, tear gas, and knock doors down and go in armed with automatic military style weapons. It's the war on drugs. Is going on all the time. They are very professional and experienced at it. Once in a while they get shot. Watched it on Netflix. So confiscating guns would be nothing new. They already do those kinds of raids every day and night all over the place. They are training constantly. Anybody foolish enough to try to resist wouldn't stand a chance and will be taken away in a hearse. Well then, let's reinstate "stop and frisk" policies and start jailing those who have guns. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted February 27, 2018 Report Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said: Well then, let's reinstate "stop and frisk" policies and start jailing those who have guns. No, just those who have guns illegally. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted February 27, 2018 Report Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Well then, let's reinstate "stop and frisk" policies and start jailing those who have guns. With the billions of dollars worth of cocaine being brought into the states every year from Mexico and south America, the swat teams are getting lots of practice dealing with criminals with guns. Adding collecting automatic military guns and illegal handguns to their confiscation duties would not be much extra work or expense. Just think of the new work that would be created for unemployed ex military folks. Edited February 27, 2018 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted February 27, 2018 Report Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) Trump sounded like he might be changing his mind a tiny bit and maybe not accepting everything the NRA says. All Trump might have to do is issue one of his Executive Orders instructing the FBI, police departments, and Military to begin collecting all automatic firearms and illegal handguns. That would be a good way to start. Fight about the details afterward. Edited February 27, 2018 by blackbird Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Posted February 27, 2018 Existing gun laws should be enforced better before trying to create new gun laws. A Canadian terrorist ( Amor Ftouhi ) was denied a gun purchase in 2017 because somebody did their job in Michigan. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
blackbird Posted February 27, 2018 Report Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) Did you see Trump say he would go into a school (to confront a shooter) even if he (Trump) had no gun! Sounds very brave, but who would actually do that and why? Easy to say when you don't have to do it. Most people have a desire for self-preservation. Edited February 27, 2018 by blackbird Quote
Omni Posted February 27, 2018 Report Posted February 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Existing gun laws should be enforced better before trying to create new gun laws. A Canadian terrorist ( Amor Ftouhi ) was denied a gun purchase in 2017 because somebody did their job in Michigan. How come they didn't do their job in Florida? Quote
Omni Posted February 27, 2018 Report Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: Did you see Trump say he would go into a school (to confront a shooter) even if he (Trump) had no gun! Sounds very brave, but would actually do that and why? Easy to say when you don't have to do it. Most people have a desire for self-preservation. Trump would be curled up under his bed pooping his pants wringing his little hands together if there was gunfire anywhere near him. Secret Service would take care of it. Quote
OftenWrong Posted February 28, 2018 Report Posted February 28, 2018 23 hours ago, Omni said: Trump would be curled up under his bed pooping his pants wringing his little hands together Yep, that's Donald Trump. Good old president poopy-pants. Quote
Omni Posted February 28, 2018 Report Posted February 28, 2018 46 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Yep, that's Donald Trump. Good old president poopy-pants. Yep, I had to laugh at Stephen Colbert's comment about what Trump was going to do after he rushed into the school unarmed, "stab him with your bones spurs"? Pretty much a downward spiral on whatever issue one can think of with Donald. Quote
blackbird Posted February 28, 2018 Report Posted February 28, 2018 Not every issue. He is wrong about guns and going in unarmed, but he is correct about building a wall and keeping bad characters out of the U.S. He is correct about a lot of things. Quote
blackbird Posted February 28, 2018 Report Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) I just read an article about a man in Texas who was shot twice in a church by a police officer, after he stopped a shooter and took the gun away. This happened the same day as the Florida school massacre two weeks ago. Fortunately nobody was killed at this church. Several people charged a man with a handgun and this man helped by taking the handgun away from him. Then a police officer arrived and told him to drop the gun. He was bending over to put it down because he thought if he dropped it, it would go off. The officer shot him twice. He has a blood clot in one lung but is recovering in a hospital. He will be taking legal action and wants compensation from the police department. This proves how dangerous it would be for even some teachers to be armed with a gun. The police are taught to shoot first and not take any chances. Ask questions after. Edited February 28, 2018 by blackbird Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 28, 2018 Report Posted February 28, 2018 5 hours ago, blackbird said: Not every issue. He is wrong about guns and going in unarmed, but he is correct about building a wall and keeping bad characters out of the U.S. He is correct about a lot of things. He is also right about enforcing existing gun laws better, like the one that stopped another Canadian terrorist from buying a gun in Michigan. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
blackbird Posted March 1, 2018 Report Posted March 1, 2018 3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: He is also right about enforcing existing gun laws better, like the one that stopped another Canadian terrorist from buying a gun in Michigan. That's true but it's too bad authorities and gun sellers didn't stop the long list of other killers from buying military style guns over the past several years. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 1, 2018 Report Posted March 1, 2018 42 minutes ago, blackbird said: That's true but it's too bad authorities and gun sellers didn't stop the long list of other killers from buying military style guns over the past several years. Can't stop legal gun purchases...the majority of U.S. gun homicides involve handguns, not "military style" firearms. Gun homicide rate is at a 30 year low in the U.S. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted March 1, 2018 Report Posted March 1, 2018 25 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Can't stop legal gun purchases...the majority of U.S. gun homicides involve handguns, not "military style" firearms. Gun homicide rate is at a 30 year low in the U.S. And still higher than just about everywhere else in the world. What no Canada deflection? Quote
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