?Impact Posted February 8, 2018 Report Posted February 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: Trump was talking straight up to Americans No, Trump was talking down to those who couldn't figure it out. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 8, 2018 Report Posted February 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Omni said: Um the Russians didn't place a few emails on facebook, they hacked into the DNC and released thousands of private emails. I think I'll take the proof from organizations like the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc. on that. A little different than your attempt to minimize that aspect. Foreign media supporting one candidate or the other is not nearly the same thing. And how can you say Trump "talked straight" when he has either lied or contradicted himself continuously. You are correct on one item though, Hillary did overreach and assumed she could depend on certain areas for support she thought were in the bag. And of course if not for the gerrymandered EC she would have won by ~3 million of the pop. vote. Great, You'll be sure to let me know when that "proof" is found, won't you? 1 hour ago, Omni said: Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted February 8, 2018 Report Posted February 8, 2018 40 minutes ago, ?Impact said: No, Trump was talking down to those who couldn't figure it out. Maybe, just maybe, he didn't talk to people is a snotty nose condescending way like you lefties do. More than that, Trump actually listened to the people. Understand that, he listened! Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted February 8, 2018 Report Posted February 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Great, You'll be sure to let me know when that "proof" is found, won't you? Apparently you have been ignoring what you don't like on the issue. Here's a start for you. https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html Quote
Omni Posted February 8, 2018 Report Posted February 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Maybe, just maybe, he didn't talk to people is a snotty nose condescending way like you lefties do. More than that, Trump actually listened to the people. Understand that, he listened! If he listened so well, how come he has done basically nothing with the exception of lining the pockets of already rich corps. at the risk of driving up the debt "yugely"? Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 8, 2018 Report Posted February 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, Omni said: Apparently you have been ignoring what you don't like on the issue. Here's a start for you. https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html Do you understand the difference between proof and conjecture? The DNC saying they thought it was Russians is not proof - it's conjecture, and it actually ties into the info from the memos. The FBI didn't even investigate and Assange say's that it wasn't Russians. A former FBI IT guy says that all the hallmarks show that it was someone hacking from inside their own office - So yeah, there is no proof...and if it is proven that the Russians hacked, then I guess we'll wait and see how it involves Trump - but, don't hold your breath on that one. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted February 8, 2018 Report Posted February 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Do you understand the difference between proof and conjecture? The DNC saying they thought it was Russians is not proof - it's conjecture, and it actually ties into the info from the memos. The FBI didn't even investigate and Assange say's that it wasn't Russians. A former FBI IT guy says that all the hallmarks show that it was someone hacking from inside their own office - So yeah, there is no proof...and if it is proven that the Russians hacked, then I guess we'll wait and see how it involves Trump - but, don't hold your breath on that one. Oh boy, yes the FBI did investigate and continues to do so. What do you think Mueller is doing? That there was hacking is the back story now, the continuing investigation is to whether or not there was collusion. If Trump has nothing to worry about why does he keep whincing and looking for ways to fire Mueller to stop the investigation? 1 Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 8, 2018 Report Posted February 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Omni said: Oh boy, yes the FBI did investigate and continues to do so. What do you think Mueller is doing? That there was hacking is the back story now, the continuing investigation is to whether or not there was collusion. If Trump has nothing to worry about why does he keep whincing and looking for ways to fire Mueller to stop the investigation? Mueller is not investigating the DNC hacks, they have never even seen the servers - no FBI agent has. And, collusion is so last month. Now the hot topic is "obstruction", which too seems to be failing. All Mueller can hope for is setting up a perjury trap. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
?Impact Posted February 8, 2018 Report Posted February 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Mueller is not investigating the DNC hacks, they have never even seen the servers - no FBI agent has. What a load of Republican bull being fed to the low intellect. An exact copy of the data contained on the servers was indeed turned over the the FBI as they requested. The physical servers themselves remained at the DNC. This is like turning over the visitor log to the White House in an investigation, no need to close down the White House and have the FBI move in. Only computer illiterate Republican voters (most of them) would not understand this. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 8, 2018 Report Posted February 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, ?Impact said: What a load of Republican bull being fed to the low intellect. An exact copy of the data contained on the servers was indeed turned over the the FBI as they requested. The physical servers themselves remained at the DNC. This is like turning over the visitor log to the White House in an investigation, no need to close down the White House and have the FBI move in. Only computer illiterate Republican voters (most of them) would not understand this. That's not accurate at all. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted February 8, 2018 Report Posted February 8, 2018 16 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Mueller is not investigating the DNC hacks, they have never even seen the servers - no FBI agent has. And, collusion is so last month. Now the hot topic is "obstruction", which too seems to be failing. All Mueller can hope for is setting up a perjury trap. As I said, Mueller is down the road from investigating if there was a hack, he's looking to see if there was collusion. Trump's lawyers don't want him to sit down with Mueller because they know he is likely to perjure himself. Mueller can subpoena and it seems he would likely allow Trump to bring a lawyer into the room to protect him from himself. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 8, 2018 Report Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Omni said: As I said, Mueller is down the road from investigating if there was a hack, he's looking to see if there was collusion. Trump's lawyers don't want him to sit down with Mueller because they know he is likely to perjure himself. Mueller can subpoena and it seems he would likely allow Trump to bring a lawyer into the room to protect him from himself. Any Lawyer of Mueller's ability can make any person perjure themselves. As famed defense lawyer Leslie Abramson said, "If I think they're guilty I don't let them talk, if I think they're innocent definitley don't let them talk". Edited February 8, 2018 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: Any Lawyer of Mueller's ability can make any person perjure themselves. As famed defense lawyer Leslie Abramson said, "If I think they're guilty I don't let them talk, if I think they're innocent definitley don't let them talk". What nonsense. Perjury is when you tell a lie. No one can force you to do that. Trump's lawyers are most likely suggesting he avoid Mueller due to the former portion of your quote. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Omni said: What nonsense. Perjury is when you tell a lie. No one can force you to do that. Trump's lawyers are most likely suggesting he avoid Mueller due to the former portion of your quote. You really are something! Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: You really are something! Care to try and explain how Mueller will force Trump to lie. I'll get the popcorn. 1 Quote
OftenWrong Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 15 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: It is not laughable, in fact its viable that a corruptable billionaire with no inkling he would win the election would engage with nefarious groups. This question is being investigated by people more intelligent than you or I right now. You are just short of being an intellectual, Auguste. You have a great imagination but just need to fix your careless vocabulary. Cheers. Sometimes I find your posts couched in mysterious phrases as well, you like to do that from time to time. As to your contention that DT never wanted to win, suggest you have imbibed heavily in too much media-poisoned kool-aid. MH -> This question is being investigated by people more intelligent than you or I right now. Perhaps you underestimate your intelligence. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 8 hours ago, OftenWrong said: As to your contention that DT never wanted to win, suggest you have imbibed heavily in too much media-poisoned kool-aid. It's been stated in Michael Wolff's book and it explains a lot to me. 8 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Perhaps you underestimate your intelligence. I doubt anybody on this board has had to strategize to the level of complexity, or at the level of prominence and wide visibility that Robert Mueller has to. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
OftenWrong Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: It's been stated in Michael Wolff's book and it explains a lot to me. Michael Wolff's book is written to take advantage of the media bias towards Trump, in order to make lots of money. That is like believing tabloid stories. The book hinges on anonymous sources. And you claim to me that you want cites? Where are the cites for that one? At least one supposed source (for the book), former deputy chief of staff Katie Walsh, has already disputed that she said anything close to what Wolff reported. Mr. Wolff's book is a fusion of partial facts, innuendo, purposely omitted information and outright gossip. Anyone who accepts such information at face value, without verification, is a person who "believes" things. That doesn't sound like you... does it? Edited February 9, 2018 by OftenWrong sp Quote
Argus Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 22 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: Anyone who had even the smallest forum weighed in on the US election. You cant say that Russia had anymore influence on the election than any (insert European union member here) foreign leader, including Canada's PM. Every foreign media weighed in, every world leader, every NGO and every activist group weighed in openly on behalf of Hillary Clinton.. In fact, foreign leaders are careful to not publicly declare any preference before any US election. What influence do you imagine Canada's PM had as compared to Russia's army of social media trolls and robo-posters posting all kinds of nonsensical anti-Clinton propaganda? Not to mention the Russian intelligence agencies which hacked Democratic email accounts and then leaked the more damaging contents in dribs and drabs designed to keep the story fresh in the media eye? Are you suggesting none of that had any influence? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 20 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Canadian nationals were all over the U.S. federal election, as volunteers on the ground and/or financial contributions....overwhelmingly for the Democrats/Clinton. It got so bad, Bernie Sanders had to refund money back to the Canadians who couldn't prove U.S. citizenship. There's simply no evidence Canadians contributed any substantial aid to either side in the election. On the other hand, US election funding laws are so deliberately opaque no one is really sure where all that money is coming from. For example, the NRA contributed tens of millions to Donald Trump, far more than they ever did in any other election campaign, and now the FBI is investigating whether some of that money came from Russia and was simply funneled through the NRA. Other super PACs also contributed money and don't disclose where it came from any more than the NRA discloses where it's money comes from. Such things are generally illegal in other western democracies, but in the US, bribery and influence peddling are perfectly acceptable. 20 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Canadians....Russians....makes no difference.. Really? Canada has an interest in the US being economically strong and democratic. The Russians are enemies and their interest is in inciting confusion, economic disorder, weakness and even civil war if possible. You don't think there's a bit of a difference in that? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 17 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: Any Lawyer of Mueller's ability can make any person perjure themselves. Unless, of course, they're honest. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 18 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: Do you understand the difference between proof and conjecture? The DNC saying they thought it was Russians is not proof - it's conjecture, and it actually ties into the info from the memos. The FBI didn't even investigate and Assange say's that it wasn't Russians. So you believe Russia rather than western intelligence agencies or Republicans like George Bush, Mitt Romney and the united states congress, which voted almost unanimously to impose economic sanctions on Russia for its interference? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 18 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: Maybe, just maybe, he didn't talk to people is a snotty nose condescending way like you lefties do. More than that, Trump actually listened to the people. Understand that, he listened! A sales guy always tries to figure out what people want and then offer it to them, even if they have to lie to do it. So Trump figured out what people wanted, grandly offered it to them, then walked off snickering and laughing at the 'uneducated' people he loved so much as he counted his winnings. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Argus said: There's simply no evidence Canadians contributed any substantial aid to either side in the election. False...there is substantial evidence that many Canadian nationals contributed to election campaigns and crossed the border to volunteer, especially for Clinton and Sanders. They even came to the U.S. to participate in post election protests...some were turned away at the border. Canadians favoured Democrats by a wide margin, a political party in another nation, fully participating in and generating biased social media content, just like any "Russian". A Canadian illegal was busted for voting in New York. Quote Really? Canada has an interest in the US being economically strong and democratic. The Russians are enemies and their interest is in inciting confusion, economic disorder, weakness and even civil war if possible. You don't think there's a bit of a difference in that? Nope....Canadians and Russians are doing the same thing....trying to influence U.S. elections and policies to favour their own causes and interests. Your prime minister is back in my country for the 15th time, trying to influence American policies and decisions. Nothing special about Canada in that regard. Here is an example of high profile Canadian nationals, voter wanabes trying to influence the U.S. election...because they wanted Clinton to win and hated Donald Trump. (These two foreign bozos were convinced Hillary would win, of course....WRONG !! ) Edited February 9, 2018 by bush_cheney2004 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 38 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: A Canadian illegal was busted for voting in New York. Oh well now that must have had a yugele impact eh? Quote
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